Jets' Rex on overrated poll: 'I finally beat Belichick at something'

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Its actually a very reasonable result.
There is no doubt Rex is the most overrated. BB is considered the best by just about everyone, so it is natural that he would get votes.
Rex is overrated because he is rated as competant.
BB is overrated becauase he is rated as the GOAT.

Just because someone is looked at as the GOAT doesn't mean people can label him overrated without reason. BB is coming off 2 straight seasons as the #1 seed in the AFC and he has the team in position to be a contender once again. Aside from Brady/Wilfork the team has been completely rebuilt from the SB days, as good as those 2 are you don't have this kind of consistent success by being overrated. I'm far from a BB homer but I think it's pretty ridiculous he'd be #2 on this list.

 

[fnordcircle]

People who hate Rex mostly do it because they don't understand he uses his flamboyant personality to keep pressure off of his players. If Rex wasn't the lightning rod he is NY media would be screaming for Sanchez blood for over a year now.

You can dislike his methods but he got a lot of fantastic results with a team that had less talent than ours 2 of his 4 years there and honestly I think there is a lot of respect between him and Belichick. Belichick worked with his brother and no doubt appreciates everything Buddy brought with the 46 and that crazy defense in Chicago.

I really hope the Jets tank the rest of the year and send Ryan packing because I'd love, love, love to have him as a DC here for even just a year.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

People who hate Rex mostly do it because they don't understand he uses his flamboyant personality to keep pressure off of his players. If Rex wasn't the lightning rod he is NY media would be screaming for Sanchez blood for over a year now.

You can dislike his methods but he got a lot of fantastic results with a team that had less talent than ours 2 of his 4 years there and honestly I think there is a lot of respect between him and Belichick. Belichick worked with his brother and no doubt appreciates everything Buddy brought with the 46 and that crazy defense in Chicago.

I really hope the Jets tank the rest of the year and send Ryan packing because I'd love, love, love to have him as a DC here for even just a year.

Agreed. Especially after 45-3 in 2010 he absorbed all the heat for it and accepted responsibility. He made the playoff rematch personal between him and BB which not only took the pressure off his players, but showed his faith in them by putting his butt on the line again, despite how badly they were outplayed in that 45-3 game. And right now, the Jets are just a horrible team I don't know if BB himself would have that team winning.

 

[fnordcircle]

Yeah. Overall I'm not sure how good a coach Ryan is. But I do believe that the Patriots have more talent on their defense than the Jets do and Ryan has gotten far better results. That's why I love him as a DC.

I'm not going to defend how he handles the media, etc, my point is that there is a method to his madness and people here who hate him aren't getting that he does it for a reason.

But seriously other than Revis and Harris I start to be unsure which of their players I would take over ours at the same position. Which means he has to be doing something right.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ryan's had one legit season as a head coach.

2009 was the fluke year where his team was toast until the Colts decided to tank the last 2 games of the season and the Bengals fell apart. They were gifted the playoff spot and then had Nate Kaeding choke and go 0-for-3 on field goal attempts.

2010 was a legitimately good year. Unfortunately, at 11-5, it was the height of the Ryan era.

2011 was the start of the decline. The Jets went 8-8, Ryan admitted that he lost the locker room, and the questions about the head coach and starting QB started being asked in earnest.

Now, in 2012, the starting QB has been exposed, the OC can no longer be used as the scapegoat since he's in St. Louis, and both the head coach and general manager are coming under heavy criticism.

Overrated, luck ran out, can't catch a break.... spin it however you want, but Ryan's not getting the job done.

 

[Salva135]

Ryan's had one legit season as a head coach.

2009 was the fluke year where his team was toast until the Colts decided to tank the last 2 games of the season and the Bengals fell apart. They were gifted the playoff spot and then had Nate Kaeding choke and go 0-for-3 on field goal attempts.

2010 was a legitimately good year. Unfortunately, at 11-5, it was the height of the Ryan era.

2011 was the start of the decline. The Jets went 8-8, Ryan admitted that he lost the locker room, and the questions about the head coach and starting QB started being asked in earnest.

Now, in 2012, the starting QB has been exposed, the OC can no longer be used as the scapegoat since he's in St. Louis, and both the head coach and general manager are coming under heavy criticism.

Overrated, luck ran out, can't catch a break.... spin it however you want, but Ryan's not getting the job done.

Bingo. Rex hasn't really done anything to establish himself as a great head coach as opposed to a great defensive coordinator. He's average at best as an in-game tactician and his lack of any input on the offensive side of the ball is a huge strike against him. Rex is in over his head, and without top talent on the defense it's starting to show. He will go the way of Wade Phillips someday soon.

 

[Sciz]

Since Rex became HC of the Jets, the Patriots have allowed exactly 7 more points than the Jets, 1110 to 1103, a difference of about one point every 7 games.

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

Rex has been very tolerable lately

That is to say, relatively unobtrusive? Uncharacteristically sane? Under the radar, press-wise?

Yes, yes and yes, though the week is still young! Mayhaps he could "get it", finally.

I hope not... I'd like to see a failure at HC for the jests perennially. They have ShempChez for at least another year, might as well keep Rex Howard too!

 

[RodThePat]

Since Rex became HC of the Jets, the Patriots have allowed exactly 7 more points than the Jets, 1110 to 1103, a difference of about one point every 7 games.

Well, to be fair, their defense is also on the field far more than the Patriots' defense is, and they play us twice a season. The numbers may be close, but they don't reflect how much better than ours the Jets defense has been since Rex became their HC.

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

Look, Patsy and Fnord...

I see where you're going, and gods bless but I gotta say...

any gale can keep a ship afloat for a while, but it's bound to sink her eventually.

This blowhard has kept the jest afloat in spite of their collective suckitude, but there comes a reckoning... And the bill is a lil' past due.

Rex is a one-dimensional turd as HC.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Look, Patsy and Fnord...

I see where you're going, and gods bless but I gotta say...

any gale can keep a ship afloat for a while, but it's bound to sink her eventually.

This blowhard has kept the jest afloat in spite of their collective suckitude, but there comes a reckoning... And the bill is a lil' past due.

Rex is a one-dimensional turd as HC.

I don't think he's an elite coach or anything but 2 seasons leading his team to the AFCC (I'd consider those successful seasons) and 2 poor seasons (that is assuming the Jets finish this year as poorly as I think they will) isn't bad at all, especially considering the franchise.

 

[Danger Zone]

I don't think he's an elite coach or anything but 2 seasons leading his team to the AFCC (I'd consider those successful seasons) and 2 poor seasons (that is assuming the Jets finish this year as poorly as I think they will) isn't bad at all, especially considering the franchise.

And I consider those 2 reasons to be a result not of Rex being a bad X's and O's coach, but because he and the Jets destroyed their lockerroom with talented, but gansta-diva malcontents.

That and which 22 bullet do you choose, Tebow or Sanchez?

Bringing in personalities that will meld into the Patriot way is a big underrated part of the Belichick genius, IMO.

 

[Ring 6]

Just because someone is looked at as the GOAT doesn't mean people can label him overrated without reason. BB is coming off 2 straight seasons as the #1 seed in the AFC and he has the team in position to be a contender once again. Aside from Brady/Wilfork the team has been completely rebuilt from the SB days, as good as those 2 are you don't have this kind of consistent success by being overrated. I'm far from a BB homer but I think it's pretty ridiculous he'd be #2 on this list.

Just saying that the easiest target for overrated is the one that is the consensus best.
Not saying I agree he should be there, but I am capable of understanding the logic of those that put him there.

 

[Ring 6]

Since Rex became HC of the Jets, the Patriots have allowed exactly 7 more points than the Jets, 1110 to 1103, a difference of about one point every 7 games.

Great stat.

 

[fnordcircle]

Rex is a one-dimensional turd as HC.

Yeah I think that's probably fair. But at this point so is Belichick - just on the opposite side of the field. Belichick seems much, much better at running an organization though. Like, light years ahead.

He's a fantastic defensive coach, though, and that's why I want him here.

Mostly I'm tired of the rhetoric about Rex on here being about how he is a big blowhard. Which is sort of like saying someone doing a monologue on stage was being a drama whore.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Just saying that the easiest target for overrated is the one that is the consensus best.
Not saying I agree he should be there, but I am capable of understanding the logic of those that put him there.

Gotcha, I can agree with him being a target.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

And I consider those 2 reasons to be a result not of Rex being a bad X's and O's coach, but because he and the Jets destroyed their lockerroom with talented, but gansta-diva malcontents.

That and which 22 bullet do you choose, Tebow or Sanchez?

Bringing in personalities that will meld into the Patriot way is a big underrated part of the Belichick genius, IMO.

Yeah that team was built to fail eventually

 

[Kontradiction]

Since Rex became HC of the Jets, the Patriots have allowed exactly 7 more points than the Jets, 1110 to 1103, a difference of about one point every 7 games.

It needs more context. How many points did each offense score over the same period? What was their average time of possession? Which defense was put on the field the most over that period of time?

 

[signbabybrady]

And I consider those 2 reasons to be a result not of Rex being a bad X's and O's coach, but because he and the Jets destroyed their lockerroom with talented, but gansta-diva malcontents.

That and which 22 bullet do you choose, Tebow or Sanchez?

Bringing in personalities that will meld into the Patriot way is a big underrated part of the Belichick genius, IMO.

Did you watch the "Football Life" about Jimmy Johnson last night?

BB had a cameo in it as JJ took BB out fishing and the two obviously got to talking about football. JJ mentioned that the number one trait on his list of 5 important things was smarts and BB chimed in saying that is something that he took away from JJ a long time ago when he was in Cleveland and basically said you cant fix stupid. (Sorry Gump).

I thought this was one of the better "Football Life" episodes so far and not because of the BB cameo. Just a really great look into the life of a man who has had success at all levels in football as a college player, college coach, NFL coach, and though they didnt say it as an analyst too.

BB had a funny line about how JJ would be out there and would really want to catch something for him and BB said something like well there is plenty of down time when your out fishing so of course we talked some football. JJ called BB a cooler when it comes to catching a fish.

Thats about everything that envolved BB but the show was excellent and obviously this is just the partiot relevant piece.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Rex is awesome lol And this poll was garbage, I'd like to see which players were voting.

Actually this poll was as scientific as it gets as they only Polled the most overrated players, and who better to decide?