Is it Cam’s fault or the WRs and TEs?

[jmt57]

So what, it is not like the loss will count double. The fact that Cam is our best QB is a problem in itself and fall on BB shoulders.

So we should bench Newton, despite the decimated Pats being within three on the road to a superior 5-2 team - in favor of an admittedly inferior quarterback - and then in the next sentence take the position that it is not Newton's fault, but Belichick's. All of which would result in the future of the Pats being in BB's hands, who you are suggesting is really the person at fault for why we as Patriot fans are not on our way to our entitled annual playoff run.

Got it.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

My contention is more that he hasn’t had very good players to develop. Belichick picks the players, not Josh.

Josh has been sitting most of the season on Harris, Meyers, Asiasi who can play but the buffoon doesn't even know the talent he has on the team.

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[Wozzy]

Cam leads the NFL in turnovers... whose fault is that?

Brandon Lafell, Jermaine Wiggins, Vincent Brisby, David Givens... these guys weren't super weapons, they weren't amazing, but if you threw them the ball, they caught it and moved the sticks. A weapon doesn't have to be a high draft pick or the fastest guy at the combine, open is open, sure hands are sure hands.

Film review shows wide open WR's, TE's and RB's in every game... and not just a little, but a lot. Film doesn't lie.

 

[condon84]

McD's play calling in the first half vs the second half. He called the game in first half like he was in on the tanking and the second half like he was trying to win the game

 

[VrabelJr]

Cam’s fault. He has no touch.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Newton can not read defenses and he has no grasp of how option routes work.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

McD's play calling in the first half vs the second half. He called the game in first half like he was in on the tanking and the second half like he was trying to win the game

Basically Cam plays well when allowed to make intermediate passes. Like the 2nd half and the Seattle game. Look at Byrd catch 3 passes this game plus Meyers. But for some reason Josh keeps calling plays as if Cam is Brissett.

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[Jangles]

why not both?

cam is terrible and most of our receivers should be working at McDonald’s

 

[Ring 6]

I see everyone blaming Cam for his disastrous passing numbers through 7 weeks....however shouldn’t the blame be placed on the WRs and TES? We know cam has talent. The current WRs are the worst in the nfl, and maybe worst in franchise history. The tight ends are equally as bad. The rookies we drafted high have shown nothing.

can any QB play with this crop and succeed? I don’t think so.

How do we know cam had talent? He’s been a poor passer his entire career and is getting worse.
Receivers are open and he doesn’t find them or makes poor throws.
he is 2-12 in his last 14 games with 11 td and 17 int and 2/11 in his last 10.
Many backups are better than him. Thank god he can run and that sets up the easy read easy throws that get him a few completions.

 

[Ring 6]

Basically Cam plays well when allowed to make intermediate passes. Like the 2nd half and the Seattle game. Look at Byrd catch 3 passes this game plus Meyers. But for some reason Josh keeps calling plays as if Cam is Brissett.

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His success rate to intermediate routes that are open is awful. He competed about 2 today and a mediocre qb would have shredded that defense which was daring him to throw.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Our receivers are not nfl calibre, but I think Newton is gun shy about throwing to them because Newton does not read option routes correctly so he can not know what the receivers are going to do.

Hence, all this makes him a turnover machine.

 

[sportnik]

The WRs aren’t without fault, but this is on Cam. He holds the ball too long, makes bad decisions and doesn’t protect the balll. He is the opposite of what the Pats need in a QB.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

This is what I brought up when Cam signed and in threads proposing the Patriots sign him.

A lot of his career is filled with apologists saying he has no skill players or the offense around him sucks or some variation. Seems like a lot of drama and finger pointing, whereas with elite quarterbacks you are only asking who deserved more credit rather than who deserves more blame.

Sure, the Patriots skill players suck...no disputing that. Sure, I’m guessing there’s some legitimacy to the argument that Cam has lacked playmakers throughout his career. But it sure is a lot of different groups of players he’s gone through at this point.

Whether it’s injuries, a bad roster, or whatever you want to attribute it to, the bottom line results: he has finished above .500 three times in nine seasons and heading for ten.

Now the idea that coaching has failed him is a certainly a difficult argument to make.

 

[Nehalem]

The WRs aren’t without fault, but this is on Cam. He holds the ball too long, makes bad decisions and doesn’t protect the balll. He is the opposite of what the Pats need in a QB.

2/5 of the Patriots losses came, in a winnable situation, with the ball in Cam's hands.

 

[lancerman]

Cam leads the NFL in turnovers... whose fault is that?

Brandon Lafell, Jermaine Wiggins, Vincent Brisby, David Givens... these guys weren't super weapons, they weren't amazing, but if you threw them the ball, they caught it and moved the sticks. A weapon doesn't have to be a high draft pick or the fastest guy at the combine, open is open, sure hands are sure hands.

Film review shows wide open WR's, TE's and RB's in every game... and not just a little, but a lot. Film doesn't lie.

Givens would have been the number 1 on this team in his prime.

Lafell was on an offense with Edelman at his peak, Gronk at his peak, and Amendola at his peak. Also guess what, here's how foolish this comparison is...... Lafell before he got here was in.... Carolina with Cam Newton where he was consistently breaking 600 yards and had his all time best yards per reception average. Lafell also would be our best receiver if he was on this team in his prime.

Wiggins caught 16 and 14 passes from us in his career and broke 200 yards once and 100 yards the next year. Please. Harry already has more yards this year than Wiggins in 2001.

You can say that film reviews shows plays where WR's and TE's are open, but literally every analysis shows that the Pats receivers far and away get the least in the league. So yes there are times you can cherry pick a few examples of Cam missing someone who is open. But the reality is that seperation is a big problem in this receiving corp and it's the worst in the NFL. You can't ignore that act like the real story is that people are getting open and Cam is missing them. They for the most part aren't getting open and Cam is 50/50 with them on the rare occassions they are. The data doesn't lie.

You can't just find a handful of plays and act it's indicative of an entire game and point to that being the problem. The receivers aren't getting open enough.

 

[lancerman]

2/5 of the Patriots losses came, in a winnable situation, with the ball in Cam's hands.

2 of those situations we were only in because of Cam. Cam was playing lights out at the end of the Seattle game. Edelman had the best statistical game of his career that night with Cam throwing to them. It came down to a one play situation and the play was what it was. Today again they were only down there because Cam ripped a 19 yard clutch rush to keep the drive going and get us in position.

That's like blaming Brady for the strip sack in the Eagles Super Bowl.

 

[IndianPat]

All the wide receivers who played for the Pats today went undrafted and the TE was drafted in the 7th round. Enough said. Lay the blame at the feet of the organization.
Cam is not perfect, does not inspire confidence in fans, shaky, etc. etc. He is all that. But give him credit - he makes things happen. He just has not been able to finish.

 

[captain stone]

Not sure if we'd be leading the division with Brady. Buffalo is 6-2. With Brady, at best we're 4-4 in my opinion. This team just isn't good enough to be above 500 at this point of the season IMO.

With Brady we would be 5-2 right now while Barfalo would be 5-3 (if not 4-4 because they were literally given a W by the criminally incompetent zebras vs the Rams)

How we would fare during the remainder of the season is certainly open for discussion...

 

[captain stone]

2/5 of the Patriots losses came, in a winnable situation, with the ball in Cam's hands.

And the loss to the Donkeys could've been a last-minute win also...

 

[WinstonSmith]

Cam isn't the answer, but he's not this bad, and with better weapons his numbers would be a heck of a lot better. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats go on a little bit of a run and have a better second half, maybe even going 9 and 7.

To use a bad baseball analogy, Cam is like an aging flame throwing pitcher, that doesn't have the proper foundational mechanics to become an efficient technician to keep hitters from teeing up on his now pedestrian fastball.

At this point in his career Cam is too flawed of a QB to carry a team and I doubt he'll make the fundamental changes in his game to be effective going into his mid 30s and beyond.