Interesting offseason cuts around the league thread

[signbabybrady]

I could see going after SS Adrian Wilson. Yeah, he's going to be 34 soon but Rodney Harrison was also old when he came here. McCourty + Wilson duo would be one of the better duo's in the league. And Wilson would mentor our younger DBs.

I beleive Rodney was 31 when we signed him and 3 years is a really big difference in your 30's. Not that this stops me from wanting Wilson just that I wouldn't expect the same exact impact out of Wilson which is OK because Rodney played out of this world his first few seasons with us and Wislon can still be a huge upgrade without being that good. Also maybe the change of scenary and a chance at a title allow him to play this good for one year (just dont think you will get several like Rodney gave us).

 

[Big-T]

Aaron Ross cut by the Jags.

Lots of DBs on the market, that should drive prices down.

 

[ralmat55]

I would probably put Wilson around 4 mil a year and Gamble and Talib around 8 mil a year. So these 3 would eat up alot of what we have free. I think 2 of the 3 is enough.

My preference would be Talib and Wilson. Starting DBs would be Talib and Dennard at CB and McCourty and Wilson at safety. I like.

My guess is Gamble gets less than $8 mil. At least, the Panthers don't think he's that valuable as he was scheduled to make $7.9 mill this season. I'd love to sign all three. You wouldn't have to resign Kyle Arrington because you could use Dennard in the slot. You could also cut Steve Gregory saving some more money there also.

 

[signbabybrady]

My guess is Gamble gets less than $8 mil. At least, the Panthers don't think he's that valuable as he was scheduled to make $7.9 mill this season. I'd love to sign all three. You wouldn't have to resign Kyle Arrington because you could use Dennard in the slot. You could also cut Steve Gregory saving some more money there also.

I agree Gamble will likely get less than Talib.

Not sure exactly what you gain by cutting Gregory but I cant imagine its that much and I like having Gregory as he is not great but starting caliber and though my preference is to leave McCourty at safety we would need a viable starter at Safety behind him in order to use him as Corner if needed. Basically by having a starting caliber back up at safety you can back up 2 positions with one guy by way of McCourty's versatility. Tavon Wilson would be the x factor as he might be good enough to allow you to do this without Gregory.

I think it is easy to sit here and say give me all 3 as we all preceive secondary as our biggest problem but I think it is over kill. Get the 2 that you sign right and you dont need the third to be even close to that expensive.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

DBs galore this FA...and some good vets...

 

[DW Toys]

This is the guy I want. Way more than Reed too.

Clearly Reed had the better career but Wilson is no slouch. Wilson is a little younger and not coming off a title which would leave him as more hungry for whatever that might be worth.

Wilson 25.5 career sacks and 27 INTs as far as I know the only players who are 30 plus in each are Rodney Harrison and Ray Lewis. At 33 it is unlikely Wilson will get 4.5 more sacks but IMO what this stat shows it that Wilson is more like Harrison than Reed is. And all I have been hearing is we need another Rodney at safety.

SIGN THE BEAST.
PS can we also trade for Peanut Tillman? These are two guys that I have always liked and felt like they were two of the more underated players in all of football. Peanut is still at the top of his game so the bears wont move him but I can wish.

Acxtually Wilson has been my FA "binkeroo" for years as you cousins have heard my rants before but in 2011 he was considered and rated by some as one of the top Defensive players in the NFC West. And....he played hurt the whole year.

Can you imagine a DB playing for the Pats that does not miss games and plays hurt? "He was spectacular, and did so with a torn biceps. That is just something normal human beings can do.

He was one of the league's highest rated safeties in the whole league in 2011, according to Pro Football Focus.

However, in addition to his overall season performance, he also earns individual accolades from PFF for one of the top 10 weekly performances at his position.

His Week 14 play against the San Francisco 49ers tied him for the ninth best game rating. He had a +4.0 rating. It is described like this:

This was a fine season for Wilson who bounced back from a disappointing 2010 campaign. Keep in mind he also played the entire 2011 season with a torn bicep. His Week 14 display stood out as his best performance and gets him a spot on this list, displaying all the talents we've come to expect from the Cardinals' safety. Even after picking up a penalty for a facemask infraction, Wilson earned his spot on this list by breaking up two passes, making two tackles for losses (one on third down), and generating a couple of pressures. A great day.

In addition to the overall play against the Niners, he also was tied for seventh for his pass coverage rating the same week (+3.4)."

There is your leader for half the price of Reed and two years younger. He is the ultimate Team player. was 2012 an aberration? He still is one of the top NFL Safeties in sacks and at 6'3" has the height to compete with TE's running down the seam.

BB still knows Reed better but Wilson is a good consolation prize.

DW Toys

 

[BradyBranch39]

Pretty sure I'd rather have Wilson than Reed.

Also, Gamble will cost less than Talib... but I think I'd rather pay a little extra for AT.

 

[JackBauer]

I don't get why people are so high on Wilson. It's possible he could bounce back in 2013, but he was lousy with the Cardinals last year.

 

[Brady6]

Acxtually Wilson has been my FA "binkeroo" for years as you cousins have heard my rants before but in 2011 he was considered and rated by some as one of the top Defensive players in the NFC West. And....he played hurt the whole year.

Can you imagine a DB playing for the Pats that does not miss games and plays hurt? "He was spectacular, and did so with a torn biceps. That is just something normal human beings can do.

He was one of the league's highest rated safeties in the whole league in 2011, according to Pro Football Focus.

However, in addition to his overall season performance, he also earns individual accolades from PFF for one of the top 10 weekly performances at his position.

His Week 14 play against the San Francisco 49ers tied him for the ninth best game rating. He had a +4.0 rating. It is described like this:

This was a fine season for Wilson who bounced back from a disappointing 2010 campaign. Keep in mind he also played the entire 2011 season with a torn bicep. His Week 14 display stood out as his best performance and gets him a spot on this list, displaying all the talents we've come to expect from the Cardinals' safety. Even after picking up a penalty for a facemask infraction, Wilson earned his spot on this list by breaking up two passes, making two tackles for losses (one on third down), and generating a couple of pressures. A great day.

In addition to the overall play against the Niners, he also was tied for seventh for his pass coverage rating the same week (+3.4)."

There is your leader for half the price of Reed and two years younger. He is the ultimate Team player. was 2012 an aberration? He still is one of the top NFL Safeties in sacks and at 6'3" has the height to compete with TE's running down the seam.

BB still knows Reed better but Wilson is a good consolation prize.

DW Toys

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2612/adrian-wilson

Wilson and Reed are 2 completely different player who fill completely different roles. Wilson is a LB / box safety who can blitz and stuff the run guys 6'3 230+ lbs. Reed is a deep safety center fielder who understand passing routes better than anyone in NFL history.

IMO Reed is going to command $5m a year because his name is Ed Reed and he is more of an electric playmaker. Wilson will not command more than $2m-$3m at this point in his career so I say cut Gregory and bring them both in use McCourty and Reed on passing downs at safety with Wilson as the cover linebacker and in base defense split Reed and Wilson at the safety opposite McCourty depending on the situation.

 

[Brady6]

I don't get why people are so high on Wilson. It's possible he could bounce back in 2013, but he was lousy with the Cardinals last year.

He wasn't lousy.. He certainly was the player he was in 05,06 but he hasn't been that it years

 

[JackBauer]

Adrian Wilson Stats - Arizona Cardinals - ESPN

Wilson and Reed are 2 completely different player who fill completely different roles. Wilson is a LB / box safety who can blitz and stuff the run guys 6'3 230+ lbs. Reed is a deep safety center fielder who understand passing routes better than anyone in NFL history.

IMO Reed is going to command $5m a year because his name is Ed Reed and he is more of an electric playmaker. Wilson will not command more than $2m-$3m at this point in his career so I say cut Gregory and bring them both in use McCourty and Reed on passing downs at safety with Wilson as the cover linebacker and in base defense split Reed and Wilson at the safety opposite McCourty depending on the situation.

Gregory is a perfectly suitable backup S, and you already have Tavon Wilson. There's really only a need for one additional S.

 

[JackBauer]

He wasn't lousy.. He certainly was the player he was in 05,06 but he hasn't been that it years

Lousy might have been a smidge harsh, but he wasn't very good and was demoted out of subpackages. Expecting a 34 year old to reverse regression is risky, IMO. We can do better given the market.

 

[patman52]

Lousy might have been a smidge harsh, but he wasn't very good and was demoted out of subpackages. Expecting a 34 year old to reverse regression is risky, IMO. We can do better given the market.

I would not expect him to play but in sub packages. I like this guy a lot.

 

[Brady6]

Gregory is a perfectly suitable backup S, and you already have Tavon Wilson. There's really only a need for one additional S.

Missing my point Wilson is a cover LB in my eyes especially at this point in his career..

 

[patman52]

Missing my point Wilson is a cover LB in my eyes especially at this point in his career..

BB has been looking for that big nickle safety for a few years.

 

[Marqui]

Lousy might have been a smidge harsh, but he wasn't very good and was demoted out of subpackages. Expecting a 34 year old to reverse regression is risky, IMO. We can do better given the market.

With McCourty due for extending soon, I think there's no chance Bill will sign a young safety to a big long contract. That's why a lot of us have been looking at cheaper "declining" veterans who he could squeeze a couple good years from.

 

[JackBauer]

With McCourty due for extending soon, I think there's no chance Bill will sign a young safety to a big long contract. That's why a lot of us have been looking at cheaper "declining" veterans who he could squeeze a couple good years from.

Or a draft pick.

 

[Brady6]

Or a draft pick.

Only have 5 and 2 are 7th's. Think it makes sense to bridge the gap with veterans and see what Wilson and Ebner develop like this year.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Hoyer gets a 2nd rounder tender for the Cards. Good for him, he wasn't that bad in the season finale vs the 49ers, maybe he gets a shot.

Deangelo Hall likely to be released, CB goldrush!

 

[Rob0729]

I don't get why people are so high on Wilson. It's possible he could bounce back in 2013, but he was lousy with the Cardinals last year.

Wilson is no longer good in coverage. He would be a good 1st down, maybe two down safety. He is still very good in the box. That said, I don't know if you need a run down only safety anymore.