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  1. Deus Irae

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    Looking at the ESPN rankings, we see the Browns (the team that sort of inspired the first thread) rated up at #3 in the AFC, and #6 in the NFL. I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad that ESPN is on board with the potential of the Browns, but it's worth noting in context.
     
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    Brick27 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Remember when these idiots predicted the Cardinals were front runners for the Super Bowl 3 years ago going into 2016?
     
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    I think the article is ranking the 2019 rosters as of now, with a specific value for the team minus QB. That’s the ranking the original thread was looking for, valid or not here. The three year projection I interpret to be based around the way these teams are presently assembled.
     
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    This thread is a dead giveaway. You're Trent Dilfer, aren't you?
     
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    I've got much better hair than Trent Dilfer.
     
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    I assume most media types will value skill position players above all else when determining such a ranking. A fan who pays attention understands that a stacked WR/RB/TE core is virtually without value if the QB play is merely replacement level. Recent history suggests a few things about building a championship roster.

    1. An elite secondary is the next best thing after an elite QB.
    2. An elite pass rush combined with quality defensive coaching can win a title as long as the rest of the defense is functional, but will be exploited if the defense has a glaring weakness elsewhere.
    3. A poor offensive line will not necessarily disqualify a team from reaching the later rounds of the playoffs, but it reduces the probability or reaching the Super Bowl significantly.
    4. The effectiveness of WR/TE mirrors the effectiveness of the QB. If the QB play is average to poor, than the RB core becomes more important.
    5. Depth and functionality are as effective as a single blue chip player.

    Considering this, these would be my tiers.

    Tier 1: The complete teams - Patriots, Chargers

    Tier 2: Missing one piece: Steelers, Colts, Texans, Ravens

    Tier 3: Blue chip talent but with significant weaknesses: Chiefs, Browns, Jaguars

    Tier 4: The Titans

    Tier 5: Just enough to not be totally hopeless: Bills, Jets, Broncos

    Tier 6: The terrible: Dolphins, Bengals, Raiders
     
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    Great post!

    Point 2 in particular is so well articulated. Having that pin your ears back edge rusher can be a liability if the rest of the defense isn’t solid. That’s essentially why I think Brady has had so much success against defenses led by Watt, Harrison/Porter and many other great pass rushers. With a complete defense, though, guys like Suggs and Miller have been problems. BB understands that pressure is a team concept, not an “isolate athletic pass rusher” concept. And no one exploits it the other way like Brady.
     

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