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Incognito suspended indefinitely by Dolphins


C'mon man. Mentions Pats and hazing in the same sentence and the media will pick up on that connection and add the Pats to this mess.

That sounded more like some common gang initiations than a football team. That, compounded by the reality that the guys performing these beatings were on a team that hadn't sniffed the playoffs in 6 years and hadn't seen .500 in 4 years.
 

"I'm not afraid to say that he was an immature, unrealistic scumbag," Cleeland said. "When it came down to it, he had no personality, he was a locker-room cancer, and he just wanted to fight everybody all the time. It was bizarre beyond belief."

Does anyone other than his current teammates have anything good to say about Incognito? Guy who just wants to fight constantly, bash people over the head for no reason, molest women? Anyone?
 
Does anyone other than his current teammates have anything good to say about Incognito? Guy who just wants to fight constantly, bash people over the head for no reason, molest women? Anyone?

Actually, Jared Allen has said great things..... Brandon Marshall made great points about certain use of verbiage.

The reality is the media will never grant an audience to someone who would do that.

Your problem is you and the media are producing stuff perfectly tuned to what you want to hear.

You need to stop being so narrow minded and smarten up. That's the only way you can ever grasp this situation.
 

Enjoyable read, thanks for sharing. I really liked the closing:

I am here to hurt you, so I'll also say this: You're a warrior, cool. What the hell are you a warrior for? I'm sorry if this makes it sound like I have emotions other than anger — I assure you that I don't — but tell me this: What's the point of being strong if all you stand for is abusing a suffering teammate? Those guys who taught me that when you see a problem, you step up and solve it, all those anonymous sources foaming on about how to be a man — is that what they think "being a man" is? I mean, nothing about protecting someone who's struggling in your big gender equation, then? Nothing about, like, knowing right from wrong?

Here's what I can't stop thinking: There were so many tough men in that Dolphins locker room. The unwritten code of football is that you handle your business in-house. Any one of these men could have said something to stop Incognito and help Martin. Any one of them could have handled it. They're warriors, right? They're paragons of strength. And yeah, there are complex reasons why they didn't. But they didn't.
I haven't been paying close attention to this, but the question I have is: was Incognito singling out Martin? I haven't seen anyone stepping up saying "Oh yeah good ole Richy threatened to help my mother stretch all her orifices and then kill me all the time! Just Richy being Richy.". I'm not anti-hazing by any measure, but letting one of the hazers get personal with a hazie is dangerous. If that was the case here it speaks deeply of the state of the Phins locker room.
 
I knew this would be someone's kneejerk reaction.

Because first you guys were arguing that the N word among friends is no big deal.

But now it's OK to use the N word on the football field.

And the comments in the NBA are known because they were so controversial, but even so do not rise up to the level of racial taunts. Not in the same ballpark. But maybe you should tell black opposing players who hate Incognito to take up golf, because he tosses racial epithets at them all the time, and they don't appreciate it.

The guy is a thug--pure and simple. His whole entire career has been thuggish.[/QUOTE]

A) No one is arguing he's a bad guy. I'd like to see him go down for going after guys' knees but I'm not letting that cloud my judgement in Martin case.

B) I think talking about someone's wive or family is worse than any name calling. Another example from the NBA to Chris Bosh "Lil Way F'd your wife" ouch.

C) the quotes from the NBA are known because either people are sitting so close that they can hear what's said of the "victim" complained about it to the media.

D) there wasn't any disciplinary action in any of my examples.
 
Actually, Jared Allen has said great things..... Brandon Marshall made great points about certain use of verbiage.

The reality is the media will never grant an audience to someone who would do that.

Your problem is you and the media are producing stuff perfectly tuned to what you want to hear.

You need to stop being so narrow minded and smarten up. That's the only way you can ever grasp this situation.

Yeah, I'm the twisted one. Not the guy bashing people's heads in and molesting women. Narrow-minded me. Smarten up, jam golf clubs into vaginas. Stupid me.
 
A) No one is arguing he's a bad guy. I'd like to see him go down for going after guys' knees but I'm not letting that cloud my judgement in Martin case.

I'd like to see him go down for bullying people, molesting women, bashing people's heads in.

Black players from other teams take exception to being called an N by this white guy. It's a large reason for the fights on the field. Warren Sapp said the same thing. You know, if it's so common for white guys to call opponents N on the field, it makes you wonder why other players note it, why other players are not OK with it, why they fight over it, why they remember it for a long time after.

It's one thing to say he's using it with black friends, entirely another to throw it at black people you don't know.

By the way, maybe I should take more interest in golf (a long walk wasted) but you know, even there Incognito likes to toughen people up.But hey, it was a charity golf tournament--these things happen in the clubhouse. It's just how golf is.
 
C'mon man. Mentions Pats and hazing in the same sentence and the media will pick up on that connection and add the Pats to this mess.

That sounded more like some common gang initiations than a football team. That, compounded by the reality that the guys performing these beatings were on a team that hadn't sniffed the playoffs in 6 years and hadn't seen .500 in 4 years.

Not for nothing, but "team leader" The 5 year record of the rams before he got there is almost the opposite of the 5 year record while he was there. The Dolphins - - because of the talent of the roster, we picked by many to actually overtake the Pats this year - - they are now "up" to .500. Richie Incognito has NEVER been on a winning team in his 9 year NFL career. Guy has a 9 year streak of never being in a winning NFL environment.

Not sure he is the Guru of Winning Team Dynamics that his Dolphin teammates make him out to be.
 
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Yeah, I'm the twisted one. Not the guy bashing people's heads in and molesting women. Narrow-minded me. Smarten up, jam golf clubs into vaginas. Stupid me.

Your quote above is directed to the rookie version of Incognito, who apparently did what others in the NFL expected Martin to do - fight.

The Dolphins players seem to be saying that despite Incognito's abrasive and uncivilized personality, Martin and he seemed to have a big brother-little brother relationship. You can have a brother who is an a-hole to the rest of the world, but you love him to death and enjoy the time with him. If you, the little brother, select discrete acts from that relationship, virtually anyone can be painted a sinner or a saint.

As for what appears to be a sexual assault allegation, that was last year and nothing happened with it after a police investigation (no charges - and there were numerous witnesses apparently). This sounds like the beginnings of a civil complaint, in which a story is leaked at the least opportune time in order to force a settlement on a weak case. There are literally no facts to the story, other than the shocking facts (which could be akin to dirty dancing if you remove the fact the other party was into it and consented to contact, which is strangely omitted here - no "against her will" but rather Incognito would not apologize at the end of the day, which is not the same thing. For example, the two could have had consensual sex, after which he bolted and she was incensed for being used. Not nice, but not necessarily uncommon and not criminal.).

Incognito is easy fodder for this story because most of the NFL and NFL fans hate the guy as a dirty player. I don't like him either. I would be surprised if anyone here does like him.
 
Ok... if that's the fight he just had, that tells me this guy's soft as charmin.

Soft like Cam Cleeland?
Cleeland was clubbed in the face by a sock filled with coins, coins that free-agent linebacker Andre Royal had spent all day collecting from teammates. Nobody knew what he planned to do with them, but they had donated them by the fistful. Royal would later say he was aiming for the ribs. Instead, the shot shattered Cleeland's eye socket and nearly cost him his eye, which now provides him only with partial vision. He also suffered a badly broken nose.
 
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Here's what I can't stop thinking: There were so many tough men in that Dolphins locker room. The unwritten code of football is that you handle your business in-house. Any one of these men could have said something to stop Incognito and help Martin. Any one of them could have handled it. They're warriors, right? They're paragons of strength. And yeah, there are complex reasons why they didn't. But they didn't.

Um, that's because no one knew Martin had an issue. Tannehill went so far as to say he thought RI was Martin's best friend on the team.

(I'm responding to a quote from an article that was posted, not to a person on this board)
 
Your quote above is directed to the rookie version of Incognito, who apparently did what others in the NFL expected Martin to do - fight.

he did this to the woman in 2012. Not his rookie year. And given what Cleeland said about him his rookie year, what Haslett and several other Rams said about him, the Spanguolo stuff, even his nebraska teammate who was on the Rams, Incognito did not behave typically as a rookie. People describe him as deranged in that period.

The Dolphins players seem to be saying that despite Incognito's abrasive and uncivilized personality, Martin and he seemed to have a big brother-little brother relationship. You can have a brother who is an a-hole to the rest of the world, but you love him to death and enjoy the time with him. If you, the little brother, select discrete acts from that relationship, virtually anyone can be painted a sinner or a saint.

As for what appears to be a sexual assault allegation, that was last year and nothing happened with it after a police investigation (no charges - and there were numerous witnesses apparently). This sounds like the beginnings of a civil complaint, in which a story is leaked at the least opportune time in order to force a settlement on a weak case. There are literally no facts to the story, other than the shocking facts (which could be akin to dirty dancing if you remove the fact the other party was into it and consented to contact, which is strangely omitted here - no "against her will" but rather Incognito would not apologize at the end of the day, which is not the same thing. For example, the two could have had consensual sex, after which he bolted and she was incensed for being used. Not nice, but not necessarily uncommon and not criminal.).

Read it again. He put a golf club into her (clothed vagina) on the golf course. They were not having consensual sex. My god, please read it again. Holy cow.

Incognito is easy fodder for this story because most of the NFL and NFL fans hate the guy as a dirty player. I don't like him either. I would be surprised if anyone here does like him.

The guy has a long history of bullying people. That's why this is happening to him. And he hasn't changed his spots at all.
 
Yeah, I'm the twisted one. Not the guy bashing people's heads in and molesting women. Narrow-minded me. Smarten up, jam golf clubs into vaginas. Stupid me.

Obviously this is not a step in the right direction.

Obviously you missed the story about RI coming to JM's defense when he got into a fight with Dion Jordan a few weeks back.

You sound like the clown here in Cleveland on ESPN rehashing the bullying and hazing that drove him from the..........TENNIS TEAM.

The problem with this and like minded stories is there is never an examination of what is the expectation and responsibility of the individual to the team and organization.
 
Not for nothing, but "team leader" Richie Incognito has NEVER been on a winning team in his 9 year NFL career. Every season a losing season.

Not sure he is the Guru of Winning Team Dynamics.

No argument here as to his status as leader. He has some ability (given his ability to start), but he sounds to be a POS and an a-hole. Teams will put up with that to the extent the ability trumps the personality flaws.

At this point, I don't know his precise ability level (never really focused on it in the games I watched against him), but unless he is an elite lineman and can change the future of a franchise, then I expect he is history. Too much of a distraction, and not worth the cost. Vick had his weighty baggage after serving his prison term, but he had freakish abilities and availability for a low cost. I don't believe Incognito can claim that level of ability, which he would have to in order to return after this mess.
 
Obviously this is not a step in the right direction.

Obviously you missed the story about RI coming to JM's defense when he got into a fight with Dion Jordan a few weeks back.

You sound like the clown here in Cleveland on ESPN rehashing the bullying and hazing that drove him from the..........TENNIS TEAM.

The problem with this and like minded stories is there is never an examination of what is the expectation and responsibility of the individual to the team and organization.

Molesting women on golf courses and beating up students badly at parties isn't fine with me. FULL STOP.
 
Um, that's because no one knew Martin had an issue. Tannehill went so far as to say he thought RI was Martin's best friend on the team.

(I'm responding to a quote from an article that was posted, not to a person on this board)

I guess that's what I get for not following this closely enough. If he wasn't getting singled out and never complained this is on him.
 
Not for nothing, but "team leader" The 5 year record of the rams before he got there is almost the opposite of the 5 year record while he was there. The Dolphins - - because of the talent of the roster, we picked by many to actually overtake the Pats this year - - they are now "up" to .500. Richie Incognito has NEVER been on a winning team in his 9 year NFL career. Guy has a 9 year streak of never being in a winning NFL environment.

Not sure he is the Guru of Winning Team Dynamics that his Dolphin teammates make him out to be.
Kind of silly to blame the record of teams on their LG.
By the way, the Rams were 6-10 (and 33-31 in the last 4) the year before drafting Incognito and 8-8 the year he got there so implying a great team imploded when he showed up is curious.
Also, since you chose to apply 'we thought they would be good this year' as your Dolphin standard they are 24-32 since acquiring him and were 25-39 in the 4 years before.
There are plenty of way to rip Incognito without playing fast and loose with facts.
 
he did this to the woman in 2012. Not his rookie year. And given what Cleeland said about him his rookie year, what Haslett and several other Rams said about him, the Spanguolo stuff, even his nebraska teammate who was on the Rams, Incognito did not behave typically as a rookie. People describe him as deranged in that period.

Read it again. He put a golf club into her (clothed vagina) on the golf course. They were not having consensual sex. My god, please read it again. Holy cow.

Sweet Jesus. I need to talk in short bullets for possible comprehension. Let's try this again before you suffer a stroke.

When I said "quoted above," I referenced your prior post and the article you quoted therein. That was quote of that TE's impression of Incognito as a rookie. Read your post prior to the quoted post, in which you quote a portion of the article itself. That language, quoted from the article by you, was not a reference to the complaint by the woman, which I stated was "last year". Incognito is not himself a rookie, so react a little less and read/think a little more.

I won't explain the law, because your head appears to be hurting from the gasket you blew in reacting to my post. The investigation into the woman's complaint was last year and nothing happened. Why? Because the woman was victimized in front of a crowd and the police illegally squashed it out of love for Incognito? Or perhaps because the police found no probable cause to pursue criminal charges after a full investigation, as legally would have to be the case when presented with a complaint of sexual assault?

The hypothetical (using the conditional word 'if', as you appear to believe I offered some additional 'fact' of consensual sex not in the article) was of how that can happen, and frequently does in life, without a real problem criminally or civilly. If you wish to swallow parts of stories and partial facts (this 'volunteer' was hanging out with a drunken Incognito - was she working? Was she staying after hours and partying? What happened during the entirety of this encounter that day? How much if this large story is summarized in the few sentences offered and apparently accepted as gospel by you.} Try critical thinking (ie., questioning the stories given to you in short form) - it can be highly enlightening and makes you less susceptible to shock media stories based on less than complete accounts.

The reason consensual acts are not criminal or even actionable in tort is because both parties willingly participate. If that woman agreed to let Incognito stuff a live dolphin up her private regions, then it only becomes a matter of animal cruelty if he does so. It is not sexual assault or rape. You may find that act offensive to your sensibilities, but your sensitivity does not define the law. Shocking but true. Welcome to the wonderful world of consensual acts. There is no per se rule prohibiting contact between golf clubs and nether regions. Now take your thorazine and calm yourself.

***And before this becomes a declaration condoning violence against women, I formally disclaim any reading of my post that may be construed as encouraging acts of violence against women. The foregoing is only intended as describing lawful acts by consenting adults consistent with the law. No dolphins were harmed in the creation of this post.****
 
Molesting women on golf courses and beating up students badly at parties isn't fine with me. FULL STOP.

Outside of the fact that parties and golf courses have absolutely zero to do with the Dolphin's locker room.....what exactly is that suppose to mean?

All that does is provide something to help you believe what you already want to believe.

Your entire objective in this thread is to prove you are stuck on stupid....willingly.

Smarten up and examine the totality.
 
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