In BB We Trust

[Joker]

let's get the proper defintion of "micromanager " before this passion play proceeds any further

1)mi·cro·man·age (mkr-mnj)
tr.v. mi·cro·man·aged, mi·cro·man·ag·ing, mi·cro·man·ag·es
To direct or control in a detailed, often meddlesome manner.

2)Main Entry: mi·cro·man·age
Pronunciation: \?m?-kr?-?ma-nij\
Function: verb
Date: 1976
transitive verb

: to manage especially with excessive control or attention to details

3)a style of management where a manager becomes over-involved in the details of the work of subordinates, resulting in the manager making every decision in an organization, no matter how trivial. Micromanagement is a euphemism for meddling, and has the opposite effect to empowerment. Micromanagement can ****** the progress of organizational development, as it robs employees of their self-respect.

 

[Patspsycho]

3)a style of management where a manager becomes over-involved in the details of the work of subordinates, resulting in the manager making every decision in an organization, no matter how trivial. Micromanagement is a euphemism for meddling, and has the opposite effect to empowerment. Micromanagement can ****** the progress of organizational development, as it robs employees of their self-respect.

Robbing Brady of his self-respect. How terrible. :nono:

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

+1
But it's pretty amazing how much smarter of a head coach he got on that day Mo Lewis knocked Drew Bledsoe into next week.

You're not implying that Brady is the reason for BBs success, are you?

 

[apple strudel]

But it's pretty amazing how much smarter of a head coach he got on that day Mo Lewis knocked Drew Bledsoe into next week.

He showed his smarts not on that day, but on the day that Bledsoe was ready to come back. That's the difference.

 

[Ring 6]

Regardless of the exact definition of the term "micro-manager" you did use it in a seemingly derogatory context where you implied that everything you read about BB suggested that he was a: "control freak, totally a micro-manager..."

I think what we are trying to establish here is whether he is a micro-manager in the general sense of the word, and I do not believe that he is, at this point in his career.

Also you have not disproven my notion that the two minute drill counters the concept of BB being a micro-manager, since I argued that it proves beyond a doubt that Brady has the reins 100% of the time at certain points in the game.

Until I am led otherwise to consider so, I am of the point of view that BB is not a micro-manager in the general sense, or in clinical definition of the word.

OK, now we are trapped in semantics.
There are 2 routes here. Either accept that you are misinterpretting what I meant by REUSING the term micro-management, and accept what I say am talking about, or continue to ask why my post doesnt comply to the definition you are assocaiting to it.

I have no clue what you are saying about the 2 minute drill. What I am saying is that the decisions made are based upon BBs philosophy and beliefs, and that the way the organization is run is that employees are trained and expected to make decisions that they make consistent with the philosophy BB has put in place. That he is heavily involved in game planning and that game plan dictates game day decisions. Furthermore he is involved in play calling and strategy, MANAGING it during the game, and he will correct anything he disagrees with.
What I am saying is that what happens on the field is based upon thousands of hours of work, all directed at what Bill Belichick wants it to be.
Regardless of semantics, the point in quesiton is whether or not coordinators are going to build gameplans and call plays and use strategy that conflicts with BBs philosophy or not. I strongly belief that he manages this aspect to the highest degree. Perhaps there is a better phrase to use, and perhaps it is that he pays more attention to every detail than any HC, and he does not have to be a micro-manager by your defintion to do so. Its simply the line between the amount of management done, so again, a better description would be that he manages more than anyome.

 

[Ring 6]

let's get the proper defintion of "micromanager " before this passion play proceeds any further

1)mi·cro·man·age (mkr-mnj)
tr.v. mi·cro·man·aged, mi·cro·man·ag·ing, mi·cro·man·ag·es
To direct or control in a detailed, often meddlesome manner.

2)Main Entry: mi·cro·man·age
Pronunciation: \?m?-kr?-?ma-nij\
Function: verb
Date: 1976
transitive verb

: to manage especially with excessive control or attention to details

3)a style of management where a manager becomes over-involved in the details of the work of subordinates, resulting in the manager making every decision in an organization, no matter how trivial. Micromanagement is a euphemism for meddling, and has the opposite effect to empowerment. Micromanagement can ****** the progress of organizational development, as it robs employees of their self-respect.

That is absolutely not the definition I intended.
I cant explain any further that if you want to hold my post to a standard of defining the term differently than I intended when I (re)used it, then there is no point in having a discussion. Its as if I was speaking about Plaxico Burress, and mispoke and called him Steve Largent, then you keep telling me that nothing I said is anything like Steve Largent after I correct myself.

 

[Absurdly Metro]

+1

I like Bill Belichick. I really do. There isn't a coach in the league I'd rather have. But it's pretty amazing how much smarter of a head coach he got on that day Mo Lewis knocked Drew Bledsoe into next week.

 

[NEPatriot]

Re: Giving Bill Belichick Too Much Blame and/or Credit

Just so I understand the question, are you trying to imply that because Belichick sometimes wears a headset, that he is behind every single play call on defense and offense, in real time?

If BB doesn't like what he sees out there and wants to win, he should STEP in.

Remember 07 AFC championship??? He told DL to do their job. He draw the board and everything.

It's unacceptable for BB to stand out there and see his team get killed.

May be, he is not the 'best' out there. What bothers me is BB and his staffs have shown that they can't adjust to our opponents quickly.

If the goal is to win a lot of games, it's time to hold people accountable and high standard instead of giving lame excuses to support them.

 

[NEPatriot]

WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO TRUST BB WHEN YOU DID NOT TRUST HIM WITH A PERFECT 07 SEASON?

It's a fair and simple question.

 

[LeonPowe]

Re: Giving Bill Belichick Too Much Blame and/or Credit

We need to have an offensive coordinator who has a more balanced offensive approach, as opposed to McDaniels who prefer to throw 90 percent of the time. McDaniels cost us a 19-0 season with his one-dimensional playcalling.

This new clown Bill O'Brien is the same. Yep, Brady is completing under 50 percent of his passes, but let's just keep winging it. Fred Taylor was "only" averaging about 6 YPC anyways.

Has Charlie Weis been fired yet? Come back, Charlie.

 

[NEPatriot]

As far as managment goes, it's a complete failure when the team can't duplicate the same success that they had in 01 , 03, and 04.

Why did a past OK offensive win more championships than an explosive O???

Why did an explosive O only score 9 pts?

Was it because of the defense?? If so, why can't we have that kind of defense?

Some of you use 'micro management' as a lame excuse to blindly support BB. Do you know that you can't ignore 'micro management'?

 

[NEPatriot]

Re: Giving Bill Belichick Too Much Blame and/or Credit

If the goal is to win many championships as possible, somebody in Pats organization need to PAY to HIRE and KEEP the BEST people.

I don't care how good your plan is. If you don't have good people to carry it out, you consider it a 'failure'.

If we have crappy people in drafting and scouting department or bad coaches, we are not going anywhere.

I don't know about the rest of you and media in Boston, i'm TIRED of looking at the 'past accomplishment' every year to keep me happy when Pats fails to deliver a championship.

It looks like we are going down instead of going up.

 

[Ring 6]

As far as managment goes, it's a complete failure when the team can't duplicate the same success that they had in 01 , 03, and 04.

Why did a past OK offensive win more championships than an explosive O???

Why did an explosive O only score 9 pts?

Was it because of the defense?? If so, why can't we have that kind of defense?

Some of you use 'micro management' as a lame excuse to blindly support BB. Do you know that you can't ignore 'micro management'?

SO you are saying 3 Championships in this decade is a poor job?

 

[apple strudel]

WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO TRUST BB

BECAUSE HE PRODUCES!

Am I doing this right?

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Giving Bill Belichick Too Much Blame and/or Credit

We need to have an offensive coordinator who has a more balanced offensive approach, as opposed to McDaniels who prefer to throw 90 percent of the time. McDaniels cost us a 19-0 season with his one-dimensional playcalling.

This new clown Bill O'Brien is the same. Yep, Brady is completing under 50 percent of his passes, but let's just keep winging it. Fred Taylor was "only" averaging about 6 YPC anyways.

Has Charlie Weis been fired yet? Come back, Charlie.

2007
Pass Attempts: 578
Rushing Attempts: 451
Percent of plays being passes: 56.1%


2002
Pass Attempts: 601
Rushing Attempts: 395
Percent of plays being passes: 60.3%

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good argument though. I hear Charlie let Josh and Bill O'Brien call the plays in 2002 anyway.

 

[LeonPowe]

Re: Giving Bill Belichick Too Much Blame and/or Credit

Super Bowl 42

Patriots pass attempts: 48
Patriots rush attempts: 16

Through two games in 2009: 100 passes, 43 rushes

You've got a lot of nerve questioning me, boy.

 

[NEPatriot]

Re: Giving Bill Belichick Too Much Blame and/or Credit

2007
Pass Attempts: 578
Rushing Attempts: 451
Percent of plays being passes: 56.1%


2002
Pass Attempts: 601
Rushing Attempts: 395
Percent of plays being passes: 60.3%

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good argument though. I hear Charlie let Josh and Bill O'Brien call the plays in 2002 anyway.

I don't care about the stat. We won a SB game in 02, didn't we?????????

It's the ring that counts!

 

[Ring 6]

BECAUSE HE PRODUCES!

Am I doing this right?

BUT HE DOESNT WIN EVERY SB. HOW LONG ARE YOU GOING TO PUT UP WITH THAT

 

[NEPatriot]

BECAUSE HE PRODUCES!

Am I doing this right?

What has he 'produced' in the last 4 years?????? No ring in 4 years.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Giving Bill Belichick Too Much Blame and/or Credit

Super Bowl 42

Patriots pass attempts: 48
Patriots rush attempts: 16

Through two games in 2009: 100 passes, 43 rushes

Sit down, boy.

LOL! Get caught in a boo-boo and then change your argument. You wrote:

We need to have an offensive coordinator who has a more balanced offensive approach, as opposed to McDaniels who prefer to throw 90 percent of the time.

Now that I proved you wrong, so now you claim that you are just talking about the Super Bowl. So now you are conceeding that the four years that McDaniels called plays he was balanced, but just not the Super Bowl?!?

So you are basing this off of three games without anything but a superficial analysis. One game the Pats won. The other one, Brady would have led the team to a game winner if the defense didn't let the Giants' offense keep their last drive alive on three separate plays (two of which should have been INTs). Throwing a lot doesn't neccessarily mean predictable. Go back and look at unoriginal's breakdown of the Super Bowl and you will see the Pats threw the kitchen sink at the Giants and nothing worked until the fourth quarter.

I will sit down because I only step up for people who can talk real football. Or at least someone with some math skills. Is throwing 48 out of 64 now 90%?