I am expecting a pro bowl season

[Ring 6]

how many times do I need to reinforce that Maye can continue to make off platform plays and extend plays with his legs, but still cut down on negative plays?
no one is saying he needs to dink and dunk
no one is saying he needs to play conservatively
but if he comes to the los and he sees the defense is in a formation not conducive to the play call, he needs to audible or kill the play and run something else, or simply run a play that does not result in negative yards or turn overs.
that said, this continues to go over your head, so why further discuss?

Wait.

Your argument is about looking at the defense and changing the play because you think he can determine at the line of scrimmage that the play is going to go bad?
I don’t know why you are saying “reinforce” because this is literally the first time you have said that. Or anything close to that.

Previously you said:

Maye often holds the ball too long and/or tries to make a hero play with his legs, resulting in a loss of yards, or him fumbling.
We have seen numerous QB's like that early in their career, mitigate those 2 issues, with out losing their ability to make big plays with their feet, or with their down field throws.

were attributed to Maye holding onto the ball too long to create extension plays, wandering into defensive traffic, or running out of bounds for a minor loss during scramble drills.

if Maye can cut his sacks in half simply by throwing to his check down, or throwing the ball away, without giving up his ability to make plays with his legs, this is easily a playoff team, capable of beating anyone.

Which are all examples of being conservative cutting out off platform plays and being dunk and dunk

Are you arguing just to argue?

 

[rkarp1]

Wait.

Your argument is about looking at the defense and changing the play because you think he can determine at the line of scrimmage that the play is going to go bad?
I don’t know why you are saying “reinforce” because this is literally the first time you have said that. Or anything close to that.

Previously you said:

Maye often holds the ball too long and/or tries to make a hero play with his legs, resulting in a loss of yards, or him fumbling.
We have seen numerous QB's like that early in their career, mitigate those 2 issues, with out losing their ability to make big plays with their feet, or with their down field throws.

were attributed to Maye holding onto the ball too long to create extension plays, wandering into defensive traffic, or running out of bounds for a minor loss during scramble drills.

if Maye can cut his sacks in half simply by throwing to his check down, or throwing the ball away, without giving up his ability to make plays with his legs, this is easily a playoff team, capable of beating anyone.

Which are all examples of being conservative cutting out off platform plays and being dunk and dunk

Are you arguing just to argue?

I have been consistent in what I have said
you are reading into something that you are adamant about, but I never said
what I am inferring is not conservative nor dink and dunk. it is playing smarter. making better decisions. not putting the ball (or body) in harms way (fumbles)

 

[mgteich]

We now have Campbell and Moses as starting OTs, with Lomu, Bryant, Crownover, Metz, Hudson, Wallace, and possibly even Gutierrez behind them. Seems like good depth at tackle.

Seems to me the bigger questions now are OG and C. Depth at C seems thin, and depth and durability plus future replacements are concerns at guard. After Ben Brown it looks like Rizy, Gutierrez and Wallace are the depth at IOL. Do we see other players listed at OT possibly playing guard, or is that an area of concern?

Yes, a 2nd backup OG/OC is an area of concern. My preference is a veteran who could backup both guard and center, even if he is inactive barring injury to one of the top 4 IOL's. I would also like to have 3 OL backups on the IR: an OT, an OG and a C.

We have the incumbents Brown and Wallace.

Competing for Wallace's spot are Rizy, Rupcich, Gutierrez, Morgan and Butler.

I would note that AVT can move over to the right side if Onwenu is injured. Brown is an OK LG backup.

 

[Ring 6]

I have been consistent in what I have said
you are reading into something that you are adamant about, but I never said
what I am inferring is not conservative nor dink and dunk. it is playing smarter. making better decisions. not putting the ball (or body) in harms way (fumbles)

I can’t keep track because you keep changing what you say (and I reposted them for you)

You started by saying he holds the ball too long and tries to make “hero plays”

Is that or is that not saying you want him to be more conservative?
To me it is the definition of it.

The problem with that is he makes a f#ckimg whole lot of big plays by doing that.

Then you again said “extension plays” are bad.

This is the heart of the debate.
If you Coach him to not extend plays, then you are coaching him to either check down (becoming dunk and dunk) or just throw the ball away, so you by definition are coaching away the big plays he makes.

Then out of the blue you changed your argument to “he should change to running plays at the line when he sees the defense is going to be a problem”
So in addition to the obtuse view that a qb can walk up to the line and see he is going to get sacked, and the ignorance that defenses would just line up whichever way you think would cause that, it is inconsistent with any word you previously wrote here.

Now you’ve gone back to changing that one to “I’ve been consistent” and that you think you can coach a qb to stop doing the things that create big plays but not cut down on big plays.

In essence what you are sating is you want to magically get rid of bad plays but not change anything else by changing the mentality of the big play maker.

This amounts to saying I bet on games and sometimes I win and sometimes I lose so I am going to not bet any more so I dint lose any but I expect to still win.

 

[Wozzy]

We now have Campbell and Moses as starting OTs, with Lomu, Bryant, Crownover, Metz, Hudson, Wallace, and possibly even Gutierrez behind them. Seems like good depth at tackle.

Seems to me the bigger questions now are OG and C. Depth at C seems thin, and depth and durability plus future replacements are concerns at guard. After Ben Brown it looks like Rizy, Gutierrez and Wallace are the depth at IOL. Do we see other players listed at OT possibly playing guard, or is that an area of concern?

When you have that man quality tackle prospects they are deep on the interior when you realize Campbell and Lomu can easily play guard.

Don’t think of them rigidly as tackles and it makes sense.

 

[rkarp1]

I can’t keep track because you keep changing what you say (and I reposted them for you)

You started by saying he holds the ball too long and tries to make “hero plays”

Is that or is that not saying you want him to be more conservative?
To me it is the definition of it.

The problem with that is he makes a f#ckimg whole lot of big plays by doing that.

Then you again said “extension plays” are bad.

This is the heart of the debate.
If you Coach him to not extend plays, then you are coaching him to either check down (becoming dunk and dunk) or just throw the ball away, so you by definition are coaching away the big plays he makes.

Then out of the blue you changed your argument to “he should change to running plays at the line when he sees the defense is going to be a problem”
So in addition to the obtuse view that a qb can walk up to the line and see he is going to get sacked, and the ignorance that defenses would just line up whichever way you think would cause that, it is inconsistent with any word you previously wrote here.

Now you’ve gone back to changing that one to “I’ve been consistent” and that you think you can coach a qb to stop doing the things that create big plays but not cut down on big plays.

In essence what you are sating is you want to magically get rid of bad plays but not change anything else by changing the mentality of the big play maker.

This amounts to saying I bet on games and sometimes I win and sometimes I lose so I am going to not bet any more so I dint lose any but I expect to still win.

my reply to the portion above in bold is emphatically...NO!
smarter is not more conservative

that's the crux of what you are not understanding, or refusing to acknowledge simply to be argumentative.

check down is not dink and dunk

getting rid of bad plays is not magic. it is understanding what the defense is doing, or understanding the offense may not be in a situation to have a mismatch or advantage.

Maye played 8-9 games his rookie season. technically, midway thru 2025, he still did not have a full season of games under his belt.
the mental aspect is a ton to put on a young, inexperienced QB. Maye did great. He can do better. We saw that clear as day in the playoffs.
in the reg season, the offense was putting up 30+ points per game. in the playoffs, the offense put up games with 16, 10 and 13 points. Maye completed 58% of his passes. not 72% of his passes. he had 4 int's in 4 games. he took 21 sacks in 4 games.