How Many Games Do Wolf And Mayo Want To Win?

[sb1]

Davis Mills is the second best QB from that class and he was taken in the 3rd round.

lol

 

[Real fan 02]

If it was meaningless then no team would pick at the top of the draft. They would all trade down for picks for the same reason that several pulls at the slot machine are better than one.

Reality says the top of the draft is not a guarantee of anything but it gives you a much better chance to get a great player than the bottom of the draft would. The Purdy's Prescotts, Bradys, etc are an exception not the rule. There's a reason why that is so.

Spot on. And last season I even sparred with him over Purdy. Swap offensive rosters with he and Mac and see how Purdy would look in contrast to how Mack would look last season.

 

[Real fan 02]

lol

So good a rookie beat him lol

 

[Wozzy]

If it was meaningless then no team would pick at the top of the draft. They would all trade down for picks for the same reason that several pulls at the slot machine are better than one.

Reality says the top of the draft is not a guarantee of anything but it gives you a much better chance to get a great player than the bottom of the draft would. The Purdy's Prescotts, Bradys, etc are an exception not the rule. There's a reason why that is so.

Nobody said having a higher pick is meaningless.

I said once the pick is made, where they got drafted or if they got drafted at all is meaningless.

Reading comprehension buddy...

 

[sb1]

Nobody said having a higher pick is meaningless.

I said once the pick is made, where they got drafted or if they got drafted at all is meaningless.

Reading comprehension buddy...

Not exactly true either at least from the team's perspective. There's major implications on the type of contract rookies receive based on where they were drafted. Also the rookie wage scale.

No there's no guarantees that a first round pick will be a good NFL player but the odds are much higher than a player drafted on day 3.

 

[Wozzy]

Not exactly true either at least from the team's perspective. There's major implications on contract and salary depending on when a rookie was drafted or if they were drafted at all. Such as players drafted in the first round getting a 5th year option and players drafted after the first round don't.

Bllsht... team draft QB's all the time with the intention of sitting them their rookie season. Teams draft lineman and hope they can start, but they're not putting them out there if they're not ready. Draft status means nothing in relation to how you practice and ultimately play.

 

[sb1]

Bllsht... team draft QB's all the time with the intention of sitting them their rookie season. Teams draft lineman and hope they can start, but they're not putting them out there if they're not ready. Draft status means nothing in relation to how you practice and ultimately play.

There's a reason why the late round picks/UDFA's don't supplant top picks 99% of the time. So yeah it does matter.

Also draft status means everything when it comes to paying them. The rookie wage scale is a thing.

 

[sb1]

So good a rookie beat him lol

Mills looked good against the Patriots in 2021... what does that tell you.

Yeah that's the one and the same BB's defense that was de-pantsed by the Bills in the wild card game and yet some still insist that was a "great" defense... right.

 

[Wozzy]

There's a reason why the late round picks/UDFA's don't supplant top picks 99% of the time. So yeah it does matter.

That's ^ referred to as a made-up stat... Wozzy is the best looking poster on Patsfans.... < there's another stat.

Roughly 1/3 of the NFL is made up of UDFA's... the best players play.

Bad players get filtered out pretty quickly, the average NFL career lasts three years.

Also draft status means everything when it comes to paying them. The rookie wage scale is a thing.

Pay has nothing to do with the conversation.

 

[sb1]

That's ^ referred to as a made-up stat... Wozzy is the best looking poster on Patsfans.... < there's another stat.

Then I'll say a very tiny number. Better?

I'd be willing to bet that Maye isn't in any danger of losing his spot on the team today.

Roughly 1/3 of the NFL is made up of UDFA's... the best players play.

I doubt that. Unless you're including practice squad players. I don't count that as "the NFL".

Bad players get filtered out pretty quickly, the average NFL career lasts three years.

There's a place for anyone if someone will take them. Nathan Peterman still has a job and he's entering his 7th season.

Pay has nothing to do with the conversation.

You said it's meaningless... I said it's not from the team's perspective.

 

[Wozzy]

Then I'll say a very tiny number. Better?

Wozzy has the biggest unit on Patsfans... real stat.

I doubt that. Unless you're including practice squad players. I don't count that as "the NFL".

Facts don't care about your feelings.

There's a place for anyone if someone will take them. Nathan Peterman still has a job and he's entering his 7th season.

QB's have longer shelf lives than others, there are also backups. This is exactly why I told you Brissett was better than average and you argued he wasn't... you don't count backups as real people. There's 32 teams, teams need a backup, that's only 64 jobs.

Bad players don't play because of their draft status... the notion is silly.

You said it's meaningless... I said it's not from the team's perspective.

Draft status is meaningless once the draft ends... the best player's play. The NFL is a meritocracy.

Nobody gives a sht Jameis Winston was the first overall pick, he's pinned to a bench because he turns the ball over.

 

[Wozzy]

If I got paid for every laugh emoji I got from archstanton I'd be the richest guy on Patsfans... another stat.

 

[sb1]

Wozzy has the biggest unit on Patsfans... real stat.

Wrong forum bruh. Nobody wants to hear about that here.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

QB's have longer shelf lives than others, there are also backups. This is exactly why I told you Brissett was better than average and you argued he wasn't

No I said he was a journeyman backup QB. Where's the lie?
He is not an above average QB. If he was he'd be a permanent starter somewhere.

... you don't count backups as real people. There's 32 teams, teams need a backup, that's only 64 jobs.

Bad players don't play because of their draft status... the notion is silly.

Draft status is meaningless once the draft ends... the best player's play. The NFL is a meritocracy.

Tell that to the teams who have to pay them.

Or maybe you think Joe Milton has a chance to take Maye's job?

Nobody gives a sht Jameis Winston was the first overall pick, he's pinned to a bench because he turns the ball over.

Winston is also 30 years old.

 

[Wozzy]

No I said he was a journeyman backup QB. Where's the lie?
He is not an above average QB. If he was he'd be a permanent starter somewhere.

Tell that to the teams who have to pay them.

Or maybe you think Joe Milton has a chance to take Maye's job?

Winston is also 30 years old.

Now you're just dancing.

Brissett's stats as a starter are better than just about every backup and better than the bottom tier of starters. Better than average, you don't understand how averages work.

Winston's age has nothing to do with anything, he's not old, especially for a QB. He was the first overall pick, nobody is rushing to make him a starter because he's a turnover machine. His draft status doesn't earn him a starting spot. The notion is silly.

Draft status doesn't determine who plays, practice and results do. A year or two after the draft ends, nobody gives a sht where you were taken or what you're getting paid. If you suck you aren't going to play, unless the team simply doesn't have a better option.

If Milton looks great and Maye looks like crap, Milton will take the job... the same way Brady took Drew's job.

 

[sb1]

Now you're just dancing.

Brissett's stats as a starter are better than just about every backup and better than the bottom tier of starters. Better than average, you don't understand how averages work.

If he was a starting caliber QB he would be one. He's not. You have a lower bar for what is a starting caliber QB than I do I guess.

Winston's age has nothing to do with anything, he's not old, especially for a QB. He was the first overall pick, nobody is rushing to make him a starter because he's a turnover machine. His draft status doesn't earn him a starting spot. The notion is silly.

He is 30 and been in the league for 10 years. Yes where he was drafted doesn't matter now because he's very likely at his ceiling already. Younger guys drafted high have higher upside than that.

Draft status doesn't determine who plays, practice and results do. A year or two after the draft ends, nobody gives a sht where you were taken or what you're getting paid. If you suck you aren't going to play, unless the team simply doesn't have a better option.

If Milton looks great and Maye looks like crap, Milton will take the job... the same way Brady took Drew's job.

I wouldn't count on it. And Milton is not Brady. Maye is also not a 30 year old Bledsoe.

 

[Real fan 02]

Mills looked good against the Patriots in 2021... what does that tell you.

Yeah that's the one and the same BB's defense that was de-pantsed by the Bills in the wild card game and yet some still insist that was a "great" defense... right.

Your right. Fake # JC JAGson was getting hosed that day. The entire secondary really. Hightower should have never came back he was a shell of his former all pro self. This current defense is much better stout at every level with or without judon. Mills was solid, but fell back down to earth quickly.

 

[archstanton543]

If I got paid for every laugh emoji I got from archstanton I'd be the richest guy on Patsfans... another stat.

The biggest clown on here deserves the most laughs.

 

[Wozzy]

If he was a starting caliber QB he would be one. He's not. You have a lower bar for what is a starting caliber QB than I do I guess.

Among backups Brissett is easily the closest to being a starter. He gets a one year contract every year because teams know he can start. He’s not alone Gardner Minshew is comparable, both could be starting this season. These guys are slightly better than average starters.

He is 30 and been in the league for 10 years. Yes where he was drafted doesn't matter now because he's very likely at his ceiling already. Younger guys drafted high have higher upside than that.

Every point you make has rules that have to exist for you to be correct. The rest of us don’t live in your head.

The 49ers traded their azzes to get the third overall pick and select Trey Lance… they moved on from him in two years.

There’s no age rules, if you can’t play you don’t… eventually.

I wouldn't count on it. And Milton is not Brady. Maye is also not a 30 year old Bledsoe.

I didn’t say he would, said the better player would take the job.

You’re fighting a winless battle here because you attacked the messenger not the message. Instead of focusing and following me around, pick and choose your battles.

The better players play… not cause wozzy said so, but because it’s stating the obvious.

 

[Real fan 02]

Wrong forum bruh. Nobody wants to hear about that here.

No I said he was a journeyman backup QB. Where's the lie?
He is not an above average QB. If he was he'd be a permanent starter somewhere.

Tell that to the teams who have to pay them.

Or maybe you think Joe Milton has a chance to take Maye's job?

Winston is also 30 years old.

His 30 INTS looks better than any TD Zapp has thrown. Including TDs to the other team LOL

 

[Wozzy]

His 30 INTS looks better than any TD Zapp has thrown. Including TDs to the other team LOL

Losing is losing, you get nothing for losing with style points… and you forgot Winston’s fumbles.