Haynesworth & Ellis @ Practice

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I think one of the issues some folks have is there's some posters on here that try to muzzle or curb others enthusiasm.

These posts are extensions of peoples personality. Some folks are exciteable, some are realists, some are over the top positive and some are eternal cynics.

In my mind, you cross the line when you say, you shouldn't be such a homer or you shouldn't judge the future based upon one game.

Why Not! Its a fan board. You can challenge anyone you want if they throw out stats or facts that are far from...but to try to shut someone down because they're too excited in your mind or too unrealistic in their prognostications is an ugly thing.

In my opinion....there is a little bit of a bias that comes from some folks who think this is "their board" due to their tenure on here. The Pats success has increased the boards population and these newer posters who may be huge fans, who aren't as engaged or as knowledgeable about the team or football are treated with a bit of disdain.

If it was a preseason game ...then yes,you can't truly judge a team by the score...now if it were week 1 of the RS then yeah....

So what you are saying is if the Jets had beaten the Texans 40-7 you would be more worried about them and the division??

 

[Ring 6]

If you think he's an "over-the-top" homer you're comprehension skills are also sorely lacking. The two of you are in fact the biggest detractors on this site. While I don't mind an objective point of veiw, you 2 would qualify as the most contrarian.

I enjoy differentianing points of veiw, but don't portray yourself as a fan. You and he are nothing more than antagonistic agitators with a hidden agenda which consists of trying to intimidate genuine fans in a disingenious fashion in an attempt to convey yourself as an astoudious abritrator of facts. It's nothing more than a fraudelent attempt to elevate your standing amongst strangers who may take your bullzhit seriously.

I do not.

Wow, here I was thinking I was just posting my thoughts about the team. Who knew I had a deepseated psychological agenda at work.
Thanks, I guess, can you please tell me how I should post?

 

[Ring 6]

This is the second time this summer I have agreed 100% with Andy.

The world is about to end......

Just be careful and don't let it happen with a full moon, or we are all toast.

 

[Joker]

If you think he's an "over-the-top" homer you're comprehension skills are also sorely lacking. The two of you are in fact the biggest detractors on this site. While I don't mind an objective point of veiw, you 2 would qualify as the most contrarian.

I enjoy differentianingdifferentiating points of veiwview, but don't portray yourself as a fan. You and he are nothing more than antagonistic agitators with a hidden agenda which consists of trying to intimidate genuine fans in a disingeniousdisingenuous fashion in an attempt to convey yourself as an astoudious????????? abritratorarbitrator of facts. It's nothing more than a fraudelentfraudulent attempt to elevate your standing amongst strangers who may take your bullzhit seriously.

I do not.

cleaned it up for ya...bullzhit gets a pass...what the hell is astoudious??

 

[Ring 6]

You're the the anti-Patriot guy who's more in tune with Rex, not me.

Seriously, you will become a laughingstock around here if you try to assert that.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

NFL.com news: Preseason record doesn't reflect regular-season success

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Just be careful and don't let it happen with a full moon, or we are all toast.

I hear ya....

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

cleaned it up for ya...bullzhit gets a pass...what the hell is astoudious??

You missed 'veiw'

 

[Deus Irae]

If you think he's an "over-the-top" homer you're comprehension skills are also sorely lacking. The two of you are in fact the biggest detractors on this site. While I don't mind an objective point of veiw, you 2 would qualify as the most contrarian.

I enjoy differentianing points of veiw, but don't portray yourself as a fan. You and he are nothing more than antagonistic agitators with a hidden agenda which consists of trying to intimidate genuine fans in a disingenious fashion in an attempt to convey yourself as an astoudious abritrator of facts. It's nothing more than a fraudelent attempt to elevate your standing amongst strangers who may take your bullzhit seriously.

I do not.

I'm sorry, but you apparently don't know what contrarian means, and you have no idea in hell what you're talking about when it comes to AJ. AJ is a mod here because he's a fan, and he's one of the biggest homers on this site.

As I said before, if you can't figure that out, you have a reading comprehension problem.

 

[PushnPencils]

If it was a preseason game ...then yes,you can't truly judge a team by the score...now if it were week 1 of the RS then yeah....

So what you are saying is if the Jets had beaten the Texans 40-7 you would be more worried about them and the division??

How's this for you? We had a Pat's team go 14-2 last year. A team that in my mind has had for while, a defense and an ideology on defense that was very average and owed a lot of its success to an unbelievablygreat offense.

So now, the ideology has changed a bit. We've infused the team with some great defensive talent. In the one game we saw this talent on display, it was extremely encouraging. On top of that.....the offense could be even better.

So....potentially I can enthusiastically say....this team will be unstoppable based on what I see. The skies the limit.

i would expect to be burnt at the stake for suggesting the above.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I'm sorry, but you apparently don't know what contrarian means, and you have no idea in hell what you're talking about when it comes to AJ. AJ is a mod here because he's a fan, and he's one of the biggest homers on this site.

As I said before, if you can't figure that out, you have a reading comprehension problem.

Oh my god,I agreed with AJ AND Deus in the SAME thread

I need a serious drink :eat3:

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

I think its fine to be optimistic, but I don't know how you can have a realistic discussion if the expectations are that everyone is going to be the best they have ever been.
I mean Haynesworth has a reputation of only playing hard in a contract year. He truly did quit on his team last year. He truly was an awful player last year when he was on the field. I can understand some optimism that maybe because he is in the right place he will give a decent effort (I dont think anyone even Albert would suggest he will be a high motor guy, in fact I think he laughed at the suggestion) and be better than he was in Washington. That is reasonable. To call him an unstoppable force that can do what he wants at will, that teams will use their entire OL to block 2 guys so we have an unblocked defense or things like that are just silly. Sure you can say them, but how can we have a serious discussion?

Thursday night Gerard Warren made one tackle. It was for a loss as he shot through a gap and hit the RB in the backfield. One other time he was seen getting through the line and he haplessly tried to get close to the QB. That is the extent of his highlights. Today he is being called 'reborn' 'a lock' 'excited about the new system' and stuff like that when last week he wasn't supposed to make the team. How can we have a reasonable discussion if there is that kind of overreaction to a guy who wasn't real good last year making one play?

Be optimistic, but don't be blind.

Good thing it's essentially a "contract year" for Albert then. If he fails here, he done. He knows it. I don't think he wants to be done.

People said the exact same thing about Moss. Said he was done. He certainly quit in Oakland his last year. How'd that work out for us? Players are weird man. I can't understand it, but some of these elite guys have a history of sucking ass in one place, and then being out of control good when they get here. It's not unreasonable to think that might happen with AH. He might just continue his Redskins ways here, but history is on our side here.

You really misrepresented what I was saying there. You did it to suit your argument, but that doesn't make it right, and its not accurate. I really did not say that. I was making a point about potential.

Look, we can both probably agree that AH, when he is motivated, in shape, and playing hard is certainly a top-5 DT in the NFL..... I think that's fair to say, right?. I certainly hope that we can agree that VW is more like a top-3 DT in the NFL. Yeah, I get the X's and O's don't exactly fit with the systems they come from, but still, in generalities it's pretty accurate.

As a fan, the thought of having two of the best DT in the league being available in a base defense gives me a little bit of a chubby. Sorry, it does. I'm not sure there is much of a president of that happening in the past. You can certainly work the x's and o's out better then me, but the thought of is pretty god damn exciting

It certainly goes without saying that may not happen. AH might pull "lay, lady, lay" on us, or god forbid, the injury-bug jumps in..... We all know that. It's about the possibility. It's like lining up Fitzgerald, Welker and Andre Johnson up as your wide-outs and saying..... "let's not get too excited boys, they haven't played a down yet". People would look at you like you were crazy.

 

[OhExaulted1]

Seriously, you will become a laughingstock around here if you try to assert that.

I know you're a fan Andy, but you've been blasting us latley.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

How's this for you? We had a Pat's team go 14-2 last year. A team that in my mind has had for while, a defense and an ideology on defense that was very average and owed a lot of its success to an unbelievablygreat offense.

So now, the ideology has changed a bit. We've infused the team with some great defensive talent. In the one game we saw this talent on display, it was extremely encouraging. On top of that.....the offense could be even better.

So....potentially I can enthusiastically say....this team will be unstoppable based on what I see. The skies the limit.

i would expect to be burnt at the stake for suggesting the above.

As Belichick says every year... "we have a different team this year"....whether than translates into a better team or worse will be decided as time goes on.

It's easy to go back and say last year our defense kind of sucked (at least in rankings)and we still went 14-2...while that is a fact it still does not mean we will go 15-1 or 16-0

The team last year was aided on many an occasion by the turnover ratio which was incredible....it would be great to duplicate that but it will be tough.

 

[Ring 6]

How's this for you? We had a Pat's team go 14-2 last year. A team that in my mind has had for while, a defense and an ideology on defense that was very average and owed a lot of its success to an unbelievablygreat offense.

Wait. Did you just call Bill Belichicks defensive ideology VERY AVERAGE?
Really? I guess you became a Pats fans last year.

So now, the ideology has changed a bit. We've infused the team with some great defensive talent. In the one game we saw this talent on display, it was extremely encouraging. On top of that.....the offense could be even better.

So, we should be confident that that dope Belichick finally realized that he should emulate the great Rex Ryan and now we can play some defense?

So....potentially I can enthusiastically say....this team will be unstoppable based on what I see. The skies the limit.

i would expect to be burnt at the stake for suggesting the above.

Hey, I am as optimistic about this season as I have been in a few years. But that doesn't mean preseason games all of a sudden matter and a guy who hasn't stepped on the field yet is the key to a SB.

But hey, I thought BB was a great defensive mind, so what do I know

 

[Ring 6]

I know you're a fan Andy, but you've been blasting us latley.

I'm not blasting anything.
How is it blasting to say we should wait for Haynesworth to play a down for us before saying he will be the most dominant force to ever exist?
How is saying one good game doesn't mean we will dominate every one, every time, especially when that one game is preseason? How is that blasting?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

As I stated earlier, Haynesworth will either remind us of Richard Seymour and Julius Adams in thier prime,or he will remind us of Jonathan Sullivan.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think one of the issues some folks have is there's some posters on here that try to muzzle or curb others enthusiasm.

Of course there are. That happens on every board, on many issues, and in multiple directions. Homers want to curb the 'enthusiasm' of the Chicken Little posters, too. It's how these boards work.

These posts are extensions of peoples personality. Some folks are exciteable, some are realists, some are over the top positive and some are eternal cynics.

Well, I don't think posting is necessarily an extension of everyone's normal personalities, but that's a topic for a psych board.

In my mind, you cross the line when you say, you shouldn't be such a homer or you shouldn't judge the future based upon one game.

You're free to jump as high into the sky over a first quarter pass against another team in a scrimmage as you wish. Others are free to tell you to settle down because it's only a scrimmage. That's not over the line. That's a message board.

Why Not! Its a fan board. You can challenge anyone you want if they throw out stats or facts that are far from...but to try to shut someone down because they're too excited in your mind or too unrealistic in their prognostications is an ugly thing.

It's not ugly at all. You're taking your position and assuming it's the baseline. That's simply not the case. Ian has made it clear that people of all viewpoints are wanted, and that includes people who think it's a bit early to be judging a team before the team's even got a set roster.

In my opinion....there is a little bit of a bias that comes from some folks who think this is "their board" due to their tenure on here. The Pats success has increased the boards population and these newer posters who may be huge fans, who aren't as engaged or as knowledgeable about the team or football are treated with a bit of disdain.

I can't argue this, because I think there are some people who think this is 'their board', and I think AJ is one of them. However, and as I was pointing out to the "exhaulted one", AJ is one of this board's biggest homers. The guy probably brushes his teeth with a Patriots toothbrush using Patriots toothpaste and sleeping in his Patriots pajamas on his Patriots bed sheets. If we're talking about positive/homer enthusiasm and you've got him telling you that you're being too enthusiastic about something Patriots related, it's a near certainty that you are.

 

[PushnPencils]

Good thing it's essentially a "contract year" for Albert then. If he fails here, he done. He knows it. I don't think he wants to be done.

People said the exact same thing about Moss. Said he was done. He certainly quit in Oakland his last year. How'd that work out for us? Players are weird man. I can't understand it, but some of these elite guys have a history of sucking ass in one place, and then being out of control good when they get here. It's not unreasonable to think that might happen with AH. He might just continue his Redskins ways here, but history is on our side here.

You really misrepresented what I was saying there. You did it to suit your argument, but that doesn't make it right, and its not accurate. I really did not say that. I was making a point about potential.

Look, we can both probably agree that AH, when he is motivated, in shape, and playing hard is certainly a top-5 DT in the NFL..... I think that's fair to say, right?. I certainly hope that we can agree that VW is more like a top-3 DT in the NFL. Yeah, I get the X's and O's don't exactly fit with the systems they come from, but still, in generalities it's pretty accurate

As a fan, the thought of having two of the best DT in the league being available in a base defense gives me a little bit of a chubby. Sorry, it does. I'm not sure there is much of a president of that happening in the past. You can certainly work the x's and o's out better then me, but the thought of is pretty god damn exciting

It certainly goes without saying that may not happen. AH might pull "lay, lady, lay" on us, or god forbid, the injury-bug jumps in..... We all know that. It's about the possibility. It's like lining up Fitzgerald, Welker and Andre
Johnson up as your wide-outs and saying..... "let's not get too excited boys, they haven't played a down yet". People would look at you like you were crazy. [/B]

How dare you conjecture Johnson or Fitzgerald will play here? Where are your facts? Plus they play the same position,, how would we get them both on the field? We couldn't fit them under the cap. I really wish people would THINK
Before they post stuff like this......

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

2007 Patriots Preseason Record 2-2.

Ranked WORST and LAST behind Buffalo in the AFC East and looked lethargic in just about all those games.

Enuff Said.....