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Felger goes too far: cherry picks stat ("13% of cap"), ignores context, claims Belichick/Kraft only underpay QBs out of greed...

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As @50-yard-line and @Cam2HarryGOAT have pointed out again and again, Felger is only interested in one thing, driving up viewership and as those posters have tried to point out to you, Felger knows very well that he gets more attention by angering listeners like you. The day Felger becomes rational and factual is the day he is out of a job.

So do yourself a favor and turn off the ****ing radio. All you're doing is giving him more attention which is exactly what he wants.
Well, I mean, it's entertainment - people like to argue. If people enjoy watching shows like that, go for it, right?

Just understand what you're getting. This isn't JUST some football analysis; it's a format designed to engage listeners using the trick of provocation. It's like watching "Ancient Aliens," but for sports. You'll get some data, but it's spiced with half-truths and weird opinions and outrageous statements.

Since it's just about sports, it doesn't bother me nearly as much as most cable "news" stations, which exist solely to sway people on issues that matter and that affect other people.
 

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Disclaimer - No, I'm not calling for an actual lawsuit, or anything. Rather, just take a moment to read and ask yourself just who Michael Felger really is...

Anyone listen to Felger yesterday? He was talking about how cheap Brady's contracts have been over the years & and rambled on with his usual shtick about how 'the cap is crap' and even went so far as to speculate that the only reason why Kraft does it is because he's is cheap, and Belichick goes along with it because he wants to keep money away from players since he makes $25 million per yr, and show everyone he that he doesn't need high-paid players to win, etc. Felger even went so far as to claim that the owners across the league are intentionally trying to conspire to keep money away from players. So, he's pushing it. But it's just ignorant speculation, right?

But, Felger cited a very specific and curious benchmark when he discussed Brady's contracts with NE: 13% of the cap.

He said that the only year Brady's cap hit was above 13% of the overall cap was back in 2006. Now this is true. But, what made him specifically cite 13%? I mean, there is very little consistency in the % of Brady's yearly cap hit. One year its 9.9% the next its 6.7% (See the percentages for yourself). So why use that specific percentage? Why use 13%? Oh, wait. I know why. Because, since the very beginning of the salary cap era, the most that a QB has ever been paid, in a Super Bowl winning season, is just 13% of the salary cap. That happened back in 1994 w/ the 49ers & Steve Young. To put it in perspective, 13% of the 2020 cap is just above $25 million. Now I don't expect everyone to know this. But for those who follow the cap, you've probably read about this throughout the years; 13% is widely considered the benchmark among cap-gurus of when a QB is making too much money to field a legit SB winning team. Google it. Go to sites like overthecap.com. This is nothing new. It's been discussed again and again. In fact, it's getting a lot of recent traction due to Dak Prescott & Dallas Cowboys negotiations.

So, back to Felger. I find it ridiculously curious that he specifically brings up 13% of the cap -- only in relation to Brady and NE -- but is seemingly unaware of the entire context in which that 13% benchmark comes from. I mean, does he genuinely not know? Is his use of "13%" a genuine coincidence? Well, remember he specifically, cited the one year when Brady's cap went above 13%. Key word: "above." And again, there's little consistency in Brady's cap hits over the years. So, it's pretty clear he is aware that 13% is used as the line-in-the-sand for when a QB's salary is considered to be too high for a SB win. So, he must know about this. So, again, the data in which 13% comes from is not just a tiny little detail that he forgot to mention. It's the entire crux of the discussion; it's the entire reason why 13% is viewed as such a benchmark. So, there's no way he's citing this info and not aware of where it comes from. There's just no way.

Now, here's the ugly part. With this in mind, when Felger tries to speculate on just what the motivation is as to why Kraft and Belichick keep the QB salary under 13%....how can he possibly jump to the conclusion that it's straight up greed without even bothering to mention all the above? Really. There's no excuse for this. I mean, even if he thinks this 13% theory is a bunch of junk, that's fine, but at least tell us the context of it. But he's now commenting on another person's thought's, ignoring the obvious context of where it comes from, ignoring that this goes well beyond NE, and trying to telling his audience that Kraft and Belichick only do this out of greed. That's completely ridiculous.

Is this who Michael Felger really is as a person? We aren't even talking sports anymore. This crap goes well beyond "contrarian" sports talk. He's taking personal shots at Belichick and Kraft when he knows the very info he's using supports their strategy. Again, if he wants to brings up that data, tell the story behind it, and then argue that he thinks its a bunch of non-sense & the Pats should just pay big names, that's fine. But he doesn't do that. He takes the info, completely ignores the history and context, makes it look like NE is the only team doing it, and then claims that it's just an excuse for the Pats to keep money from players.....Why? I don't get this guy. He already has a successful show. He can speculate all day on Brady vs Belichick. But this is how he functions. This is who he is as a person. He lies to his listeners to make them think their team is lying to them.
Felgers job is to sell stuff - shaving cream, beer, tampons, whatever. It's up to him to figure it out. His method contains some contrarian, but mostly as much controversy as he can whip up. One way to stir up controversy is to denigrate Brady, Belichick, Kraft, and anybody else he can think of that might increase his viewership so he can .... sell more shaving cream, beer and tampons. Ther are a few people out there who probably think Felger is the best. Not me and I haven't listened to him or come across him in years, until now. And in my opinion he's the same ole salesman using his same old tactics - that is who is he as a person.
 

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Getting back to the 13% figure. Why should a team pay the same for the best QB in the league as the worst QB? That comes across as a form of collusion in a league with a hard cap.
 

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Felger is and always has been a complete and utter idiot..

He is a Wisconsin boy, Green Bay fan..

His goal is to create followers by trying to stir up controversy..

Every once and a while I play golf with a guy who utters something really stupid about the Pats who starts with "I heard".. I sigh and ask Felger or Bertram???
 

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How can owners cheap out on salaries in the cap era? Don't teams have to spend to he cap in the aggregate over a number of years?
 

Koma

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Felger is and always has been a complete and utter idiot..

He is a Wisconsin boy, Green Bay fan..

His goal is to create followers by trying to stir up controversy..

Every once and a while I play golf with a guy who utters something really stupid about the Pats who starts with "I heard".. I sigh and ask Felger or Bertram???

I've been meaning to say this for a while, but I really appreciate your commitment to using "Bertram" instead of "Bertrand." Brings a smile to my face every time I see it.
 

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And Patrick Mahomes is making 50m per season. That's 25% of the 200m dollar cap, so what's your point? Chiefs still made it to the Superbowl even though they ended up losing to the GOAT that we let walk for just 25m per year. :p This just reinforces how ridiculous it is for people to claim the Pats just couldn't afford to pay Tom 25m per year for 2 years.
 

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And Patrick Mahomes is making 50m per season. That's 25% of the 200m dollar cap, so what's your point? Chiefs still made it to the Superbowl even though they ended up losing to the GOAT that we let walk for just 25m per year. :p This just reinforces how ridiculous it is for people to claim the Pats just couldn't afford to pay Tom 25m per year for 2 years.
I get what you're trying to say, but Mahomes' big salary cap jump hasn't happened yet.
 

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The percentage number is a bit skewed based on rookie contracts versus veteran contracts. It's as if there should be two percentages being totaled: one for veteran QBs and another for QBs still on their rookie contract.


Super Bowl winners since 2010, with cap percentage:

2020: Patrick Mahomes: 2.4% (Rookie)
2019: Tom Brady: 12.4%
2018: Nick Foles: 1.0% — Carson Wentz 3.6% (Rookies)
2017: Tom Brady: 8.9%
2016: Peyton Manning: 12.2%
2015: Tom Brady: 11.1%
2014: Russell Wilson: 0.6% (Rookie)
2013: Joe Flacco: 6.6% (Rookie)
2012: Eli Manning: 11.7%
2011: Aaron Rodgers: Uncapped season
2010: Drew Brees: 8.7%


Below are the QB salary cap numbers for the 2020 season. 18 quarterbacks had a cap number of $14 million or more. With one exception all the others were either still on rookie deals, or began the season as a backup. The lone exception was Newton, who was not signed until very late in free agency due to uncertainty on his injury rehab and playing status.

PlayerTeamCap NumberCash Spent
Dak PrescottCowboys$31,409,000$31,409,000
Russell WilsonSeahawks$31,000,000$18,000,000
Jared GoffRams$28,842,682$31,042,682
Jimmy Garoppolo49ers$26,600,000$25,200,000
Philip RiversColts$25,000,000$25,000,000
Tom BradyBuccaneers$25,000,000$27,875,000
Ben RoethlisbergerSteelers$23,750,000$21,000,000
Drew BreesSaints$23,650,000$25,000,000
Ryan TannehillTitans$22,500,000$37,500,000
Aaron RodgersPackers$21,642,000$7,290,000
Derek CarrRaiders$21,500,000$19,000,000
Jacoby BrissettColts$21,312,500$14,500,000
Matt StaffordLions$21,300,000$21,500,000
Kirk CousinsVikings$21,000,000$40,000,000
Alex SmithWashington$20,300,000$16,000,000
Matt RyanFalcons$18,962,500$20,500,000
Carson WentzEagles$18,656,536$39,383,000
Teddy BridgewaterPanthers$14,000,000$24,000,000
Deshaun WatsonTexans$9,808,244$29,354,247
Mitchell TrubiskyBears$9,237,593$4,423,968
Marcus MariotaRaiders$9,125,000$7,500,000
Baker MayfieldBrowns$9,003,540$3,541,180
Sam DarnoldJets$8,339,371$3,319,790
Kyler MurrayCardinals$8,080,601$2,183,120
Ryan FitzpatrickDolphins$8,000,000$8,000,000
Tyrod TaylorChargers$7,500,000$5,000,000
Nick FolesBears$6,666,666$8,000,000
Joe BurrowBengals$6,580,025$24,490,100
Daniel JonesGiants$5,922,740$1,751,548
Josh AllenBills$5,867,191$2,495,730
Tua TagovailoaDolphins$5,504,625$20,188,500
Patrick MahomesChiefs$5,346,538$10,825,000
Taysom HillSaints$4,841,000$8,841,000
Justin HerbertChargers$4,832,501$17,500,004
A.J. McCarronTexans$4,000,000$4,000,000
Andy DaltonCowboys$3,000,000$3,000,000
Case KeenumBrowns$2,833,333$5,500,000
Lamar JacksonRavens$2,583,178$1,341,060
Robert Griffin IIIRavens$2,500,000$2,000,000
Matt SchaubFalcons$2,375,000$2,000,000
Jordan LovePackers$2,251,540$7,176,160
Colt McCoyGiants$2,250,000$2,250,000
Matt BarkleyBills$2,025,000$1,825,000
Chase DanielLions$2,000,000$3,500,000
Jeff DriskelBroncos$1,750,000$2,500,000
Nate SudfeldEagles$1,700,000$1,700,000
Cam NewtonPatriots$1,662,500$3,750,000
Ryan GriffinBuccaneers$1,645,000$1,645,000
Chad HenneChiefs$1,625,000$2,000,000
Drew LockBroncos$1,593,368$813,674
Joe FlaccoJets$1,562,500$1,500,000
C.J. Beathard49ers$1,122,751$946,179
Jameis WinstonSaints$1,100,000$1,100,000
Jalen HurtsEagles$1,095,486$2,551,944
Mason RudolphSteelers$1,069,620$836,554
Brian HoyerPatriots$1,050,000$1,050,000
Nathan PetermanRaiders$1,000,000$1,000,000
Geno SmithSeahawks$887,500$1,187,500
Blaine GabbertBuccaneers$887,500$1,187,500
Brett HundleyCardinals$887,500$1,047,500
Sean MannionVikings$887,500$1,047,500
Ryan FinleyBengals$872,414$675,000
Mike GlennonJaguars$840,625$1,115,625
 

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The percentage number is a bit skewed based on rookie contracts versus veteran contracts. It's as if there should be two percentages being totaled: one for veteran QBs and another for QBs still on their rookie contract.

One other thing that really skews the numbers is the reality of QB payouts. QBs get big signing bonuses in order to spread out cap hits. So the cap percentage argument becomes misleading, especially since the QBs who are most likely to be winning SBs are also the QBs who are most likely to play for the same team most, or all of their careers, and the QBs who are most likely to keep kicking the cap can down the road.

That doesn't mean that Felger's right, or wrong. It just means that the fictions of the cap that get caused by the ability to play cap maneuvering games need to be taken into account.
 


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