PATRIOTS NEWS Explosive New Hernandez Details

[Ring 6]

Complicity is prosecutable.

Being an accomplice is not the same as barely tangible evidence.
There must be proof of complicity.

If they make an arrest, then that means they have something that they believe is prosecutable.

Yes, but that doesn't mean there will be an indictment or that he will end up being found guilty despite a lack of evidence.

As I said, in many cases that are prosecuted in real life (unlike on CSI) there rarely is very conclusive proof.

We will just have to disagree here, because this is an opinion that we don't share, and there is really no way to prove either side of the argument.

 

[flasox27]

I disagree. Barely tangible proof is not going to convict anyone.
It could be used to arrest in order to dig for more, but no jury is convicting anyone without solid proof, much less even indict them.

Agreed. It has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That level of proof is certainly beyond "rarely conclusive proof".

 

[JMC00]

Agreed. It has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That level of proof is certainly beyond "rarely conclusive proof".

i.e. The Casey Anthony Trial.

Everything seemed to point to her doing it but the prosecution couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt

 

[Huckleberry1]

According to CNN the police don't consider Hernandez to be a suspect, so it is looking like his part in this is going to really be about obstructing justice. Makes me wonder if what is actually going on rright now is a tug of war between the law and Hernandez attorneys over the levels of immunity they are going to provide Hernandez in return for his cooperation, as well as Hernandez willingness to testify against his friends.

 

[Bruins29]

i.e. The Casey Anthony Trial.

Everything seemed to point in her doing it but the prosecution couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt

Sure they did! The jury blew it and diddnt understand how the chargers worked. Either that or one of them had to go on a vacation or something.

Even if the jury believed their BS story Anthony should have gotten aggravated child abuse. Or neglect. Nope she was innocent and was partying after this all happened with a new "Life is beautiful" tattoo. Yeah that is a grieving mother lol

I watched every second of that trial and every talk show after it every night during the duration of the trial. That case was the largest misjustice in the history of law..worse than even the OJ trial.

I am glad she is still getting death threats and lives her life in fear. She is true scum.

 

[Bruins29]

According to CNN the police don't consider Hernandez to be a suspect, so it is looking like his part in this is going to really be about obstructing justice. Makes me wonder if what is actually going on rright now is a tug of war between the law and Hernandez attorneys over the levels of immunity they are going to provide Hernandez in return for his cooperation, as well as Hernandez willingness to testify against his friends.

I think there is still the possibility that AH is afraid for his life. He may know the people responsible and fears they will come at him if he talks. Or associates of the person he may implicate may come after him.

AH cant exactly go into witness protection unless he wants to kiss football goodbye. And I doubt he could anyway given who he is.

This is why you dont associate with scummmy people. Nothing ever good comes of it.

 

[borg]

According to CNN the police don't consider Hernandez to be a suspect, so it is looking like his part in this is going to really be about obstructing justice. Makes me wonder if what is actually going on rright now is a tug of war between the law and Hernandez attorneys over the levels of immunity they are going to provide Hernandez in return for his cooperation, as well as Hernandez willingness to testify against his friends.

Dismiss certain media reports, accept others. The selectivity element here is fascinating. Is this media outlet just churning for clicks......because from what I've read here, that's their only function. Just not this time?

 

[IllegalContact]

According to CNN the police don't consider Hernandez to be a suspect, so it is looking like his part in this is going to really be about obstructing justice. Makes me wonder if what is actually going on rright now is a tug of war between the law and Hernandez attorneys over the levels of immunity they are going to provide Hernandez in return for his cooperation, as well as Hernandez willingness to testify against his friends.

I guess it is possible that the cops are leaning hardest on AH because he's got the most to lose.......if they don't shake a rat from the sewer, then they will keep leaning on him......

That said, I know I've said it before, but AH does not need to be charged to get suspended by Goodell.

 

[blackglass3]

According to CNN the police don't consider Hernandez to be a suspect, so it is looking like his part in this is going to really be about obstructing justice. Makes me wonder if what is actually going on rright now is a tug of war between the law and Hernandez attorneys over the levels of immunity they are going to provide Hernandez in return for his cooperation, as well as Hernandez willingness to testify against his friends.

Do you have a link for the CNN thing? I can't find it and that's the first I have heard of it.

 

[kennyb]

Did CNN say that? That's new. Before it was the police haven't ruled him in or out as a suspect.
Even if the police could prove the guy was murdered in aherns house, I don't think they could prove who did it. So ahern walks. Interesting dilemma for the NFL.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Dismiss certain media reports, accept others. The selectivity element here is fascinating. Is this media outlet just churning for clicks......because from what I've read here, that's their only function. Just not this time?

Boy are you a d.ck. It was part of their crawl, not a story, and if you don't want to discuss anything then shut your piehole and disappear. It really seems like your only purpose on this site is just to be as big an @sshole as you can any time the opportunity arises. You don't have any interest in ever discussing anything about football and are always just trolling here looking to start an argument. Suggesting that Hernandez is looking for immunity in return for cooperation is common sense, not some belated attempt to stand up for him, but for people like you who have already convicted him for murder anything that makes sense offends your rush to a guilty verdict. Personally i think Hernandez has put himself in a terrible position and i haven't defended him at all and if anything i think he's a scumbag, but I can still understand him wanting as much protection against prosecution as he can get, who wouldn't.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Do you have a link for the CNN thing? I can't find it and that's the first I have heard of it.

It was on their crawl as they discussed the story, it wasn't the story itself, and it was the first time i had seen that which is why i posted it. unfortunately for certain d.ckheads in this forum anything that doesn't get him the chair is bad news.

 

[resdubwhite]

given cnn's recent history I'm not going to get too excited by that comment.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Did CNN say that? That's new. Before it was the police haven't ruled him in or out as a suspect.
Even if the police could prove the guy was murdered in aherns house, I don't think they could prove who did it. So ahern walks. Interesting dilemma for the NFL.

The only way I see Hernandez getting off scot free is if he gets full immunity and testifies fully about everything he knows, and even then i think Goodell tries to suspend him and he will be in really bad standing with the team regardless. I don't think the DA wants to give him a free pass and I'm just guessing that the delay in cooperation is related to Hernandez attorneys demanding it for his cooperation. It may well be that the only way they can get a guilty verdict is with Hernandez full testimony so they his attorneys probably have some leverage in that instance.

 

[zoostation]

The fact that you are even asking shows you haven't been reading this thread.

My apologies jmc

 

[Huckleberry1]

given cnn's recent history I'm not going to get too excited by that comment.

Fair enough, the truth is that there is really no reliable source of information anymore, i simply related it because it was the first time i had seen that claim made and thought it was news worthy. Whether it is true or not is another matter. Given the way this has gone though i do think it is likely that he is not their target but his lack of cooperation is really frustrating them, and that's why I speculated that it could very well be a battle over the level of immunity they are willing to give and what Hernandez attorneys are willing to settle for, and i doubt they will setlle for less than full immunity. It doesn't make any sense to me that they would have offered him full immunity and he would still be refusing to cooperate, and if that were the case he would have to be a complete idiot.

 

[PP2]

Being an accomplice is not the same as barely tangible evidence.
There must be proof of complicity.

I feel that the basis of the case they are building against him is one of complicity. If they do arrest him, it would seem to me that they feel they have enough to prosecute on the basis of complicity.

Yes, but that doesn't mean there will be an indictment or that he will end up being found guilty despite a lack of evidence.

It doesn't matter- the very act of being arrested opens up a new can of worms, as far as the NFL code of conduct is concerned, along with how Kraft will treat this whole event as a reflection on the Patriot brand. So in effect, he is dealing with three "courts" and that is what leads me to think that it is doubtful that he puts on the Patriot uniform again.

If somehow I am wrong about all of this, I will be glad.

 

[Bruins29]

I feel the same way. He has three courts to battle.

Love him back, probably not going to be.

 

[resdubwhite]

Fair enough, the truth is that there is really no reliable source of information anymore, i simply related it because it was the first time i had seen that claim made and thought it was news worthy. Whether it is true or not is another matter. Given the way this has gone though i do think it is likely that he is not their target but his lack of cooperation is really frustrating them, and that's why I speculated that it could very well be a battle over the level of immunity they are willing to give and what Hernandez attorneys are willing to settle for, and i doubt they will setlle for less than full immunity. It doesn't make any sense to me that they would have offered him full immunity and he would still be refusing to cooperate, and if that were the case he would have to be a complete idiot.

fair enough.

 

[JMC00]

So wait Dante Stallworth commits DUI manslaughter and the Patriots sign him after the fact but yet if Hernandez ends up never actually getting charged with this murder he is still completely done with the team?