(Edited Title:) Writer thinks Zappe is winning the QB "battle"?

[Ring 6]

If you lived down here and knew how much pressure Saban is under year in and year out (anything less than a National Championship is a failure), Jones wouldn’t have started if Saban didn’t believe he was the better choice ahead of the freshman. If you honestly believe he “handed” Jones a job he didn’t earn, I don’t know what else to tell you.

Again, one of the two eventually won’t be here. And Belichick will keep whichever one he believes will help them win. He won’t take a hit to protect anyone, and Jones - after what transpired last season if the reports are true - certainly won’t be someone he’ll go down with if he ultimately believes Zappe is the better option.

I could see Zappe here as a career backup, kinda like a Frank Reich.

 

[Triumph]

That explains why teams have been lining up to try and get Cam to come out of retirement ever since.

The only people laughing at the Joker are Buffalo Bills and Dolphins fans.

 

[sb1]

Zappe and Mac first ones out today. Zappe is ahead by a yard proving clearly that he is quietly winning the QB battle!
Musketfire:

 

[Wozzy]

Jones is a real barrel of laughs.

The Joker.

Tua left for the draft and Jalen Hurts transferred to Oklahoma. Did that not leave Jones as the Alabama QB by default? Fast forward to 2021. Cam was cut after getting Covid again. So, he could not practice. Did Jones beat out Cam for the NE QB job while Cam was in quarantine? Looks that way.

Kinda funny. The Joker strikes again.

Tua left for the draft and Mac played better than he did. Jalen Hurts left for Oklahoma because he wasn't going to start. Mac beat out Cam during joint practices with the Giants... period. If Cam was better he still would be starting. You like to bend the truth to suit your agenda.

 

[Ian]

I could see Zappe here as a career backup, kinda like a Frank Reich.

Someone is going to eventually give him a shot as a starter in the event Jones rebounds and goes on to play well. If Jones doesn't, obviously that opportunity could present itself here. But I think if Zappe isn't the guy here by the end of his rookie deal, I'm sure someone else will give him an chance to compete for it if he isn't starting by then here. However, in the event that doesn't pan out, I agree, I could see them bringing him back at some point. But I feel like if Chad Henne and Taylor Heinicke (who Zappe sort of reminds me of) can get chances to start, he'll definitely get his before he reaches that point.

 

[Rob0729]

Zappe and Mac first ones out today. Zappe is ahead by a yard proving clearly that he is quietly winning the QB battle!
Musketfire:

Zappe looks to be jogging onto the field faster. Clear sign he works harder than Jones who looks to be a bit lackadaisical in his jog.

 

[Triumph]

Tua left for the draft and Mac played better than he did.

Then why didnt Jones start over Tua? Why hasnt Jones beat Tua in the NFL? Patricia?

Jalen Hurts left for Oklahoma because he wasn't going to start.

So, Hurts went to Oklahoma and won there. Then he takes the Eagles to the Super Bowl.

Mac beat out Cam during joint practices with the Giants... period. If Cam was better he still would be starting. You like to bend the truth to suit your agenda.

The Joker beat out old Covid Cam. Impressive.

 

[Rob0729]

Then why didnt Jones start over Tua? Why hasnt Jones beat Tua in the NFL? Patricia?

Give Mac Hill and Waddle and Mike McDaniel and give Tua Meyers and Parker and Patricia and I like Mac's chances.

 

[Wozzy]

Then why didnt Jones start over Tua? Why hasnt Jones beat Tua in the NFL? Patricia?

Tua was the veteran player, Mac was the underclassman.

So, Hurts went to Oklahoma and won there. Then he takes the Eagles to the Super Bowl.

And? The Eagles are an exceptional team, they built their team from the lines out. They’re a smart front office. Hurts on the Bears looks like Justin Fields. It’s a team game. QB’s won’t make a bad team great.

The Joker beat out old Covid Cam. Impressive.

You said Cam lost his job because he was in covid protocols, Cam lost his job because Mac took the job.

 

[Rob0729]

Tua was the veteran player, Mac was the underclass man.

And? The Eagles are an exceptional team, they built their team from the lines out. They’re a smart front office. Hurts on the Bears looks like Justin Fields. It’s a team game. QB’s won’t make a bad team great.

You said Cam lost his job because he was in covid protocols, Cam lost his job because Mac took the job.

It is funny that he compares Mac with no legitimate #1 WR to two QBs who each have two WRs that would be #1 WRs on a lot or most teams. If the Pats traded for Hill, Waddle, Brown, or Smith, any one of them would immediately be the #1 WR on this team and the best WR by far on it.

 

[Ian]

Then why didnt Jones start over Tua? Why hasnt Jones beat Tua in the NFL? Patricia?

He's only faced him a handful of times, and it's not like it's been crazy uneven. They were one Damien Harris fumble away from beating them in Week 1 in 2021 (they trailed 17-16 and were at the Miami 9 with just over 3 mins left when Harris turned it over), and they clawed their way back to 27-24 in the final meeting but came up short.

And then obviously, the opener in 2022 was a disaster due to the issues up front (Mac was sacked and lost the football for a TD. But he only threw one pick that day on that deep play early on in that first drive and then played otherwise just O.K.). The other killer in that one was the fact the Dolphins took advantage of when Adrian Phillips got hurt and targeted Waddle for that TD at the end of the half on that 4th down play. He caught them short personnel-wise, and I guess good on McDaniel for seeing that and exploiting it.

But, I mean, I get what your overall point is. They have to start winning those head-to-head battles not only against Miami but also Buffalo if they hope to re-take the Division and get back into contention in the Conference. But my only point would be to put it all on Mac is a little unfair.

 

[Tunescribe]

Cam was cut after getting Covid again.

No. Cam was anti-vax and missed a team-mandated covid test which forced him to miss five days of practice. Aside from that he was outplayed by Mac in training camp.

 

[sb1]

You said Cam lost his job because he was in covid protocols, Cam lost his job because Mac took the job.

And rightfully so. With Mac they won 10 games. Doubtful Cam throwing 80 yards a game like he was would win 10 games.

 

[Ring 6]

Someone is going to eventually give him a shot as a starter in the event Jones rebounds and goes on to play well. If Jones doesn't, obviously that opportunity could present itself here. But I think if Zappe isn't the guy here by the end of his rookie deal, I'm sure someone else will give him an chance to compete for it if he isn't starting by then here. However, in the event that doesn't pan out, I agree, I could see them bringing him back at some point. But I feel like if Chad Henne and Taylor Heinicke (who Zappe sort of reminds me of) can get chances to start, he'll definitely get his before he reaches that point.

I don’t think so at all. He has no real pedigree as a 4th round pick and virtually every team in the league drafts QBs in round 1. How many QBs have been drafted in round 1 in the last 7 years? Until he proves something on the field he is an afterthought to teams asking a qb. When was the last time a team had a plan to bring in backup QBs to compete for a starting job?
His chance is to be a backup and get a shot through injury or failure by the starter but I can’t see anyone saying the solution to their QB problem is to get zappe and give him a chance. Heinicke was a backup who got a shot due to injury/failure, not by design and then he fizzled. Henne was a long time ago and was drafted in round 2 as a backup who got a chance when the starter was injured.

 

[Ian]

When was the last time a team had a plan to bring in backup QBs to compete for a starting job?

You could name a lot of names. The 49ers traded a 2nd to the Patriots for one.

His chance is to be a backup and get a shot through injury or failure by the starter but I can’t see anyone saying the solution to their QB problem is to get zappe and give him a chance. Heinicke was a backup who got a shot due to injury/failure, not by design and then he fizzled. Henne was a long time ago and was drafted in round 2 as a backup who got a chance when the starter was injured.

Again, based on his play on the field in what limited action he's gotten, he'll get an opportunity somewhere at some point. Obviously, whatever he does from there will be on him, but he's shown enough during the regular season action he's seen to prove he deserves that chance.

You know how it goes. Teams that are desperate at QB always do that with guys that flash, and Zappe appears to at least be as good as the two guys I mentioned. We've seen lesser guys get starting opportunities in the league. I would say Zappe - so far anyway - has looked better than many of the recent ones.

I'm not proclaiming him to be better than he is, which is why I equated him with Heinicke. Honestly, he's a guy that we probably wouldn't even be talking about had Mac not gotten hurt last year, yet, here we are. That cat is out of the bag and it's only a matter of time (even if it's a couple of years from now) before that shoe drops for him one way or the other. Whether it's here or elsewhere.

 

[PatsFan2]

I don’t think so at all. He has no real pedigree as a 4th round pick and virtually every team in the league drafts QBs in round 1. How many QBs have been drafted in round 1 in the last 7 years? Until he proves something on the field he is an afterthought to teams asking a qb. When was the last time a team had a plan to bring in backup QBs to compete for a starting job?
His chance is to be a backup and get a shot through injury or failure by the starter but I can’t see anyone saying the solution to their QB problem is to get zappe and give him a chance. Heinicke was a backup who got a shot due to injury/failure, not by design and then he fizzled. Henne was a long time ago and was drafted in round 2 as a backup who got a chance when the starter was injured.

And not every First Round QB makes it if you haven't notice...Wilson and Lance and others still looks clueless.

 

[Ring 6]

You could name a lot of names. The 49ers traded a 2nd to the Patriots for one.

Again, based on his play on the field in what limited action he's gotten, he'll get an opportunity somewhere at some point. Obviously, whatever he does from there will be on him, but he's shown enough during the regular season action he's seen to prove he deserves that chance.

You know how it goes. Teams that are desperate at QB always do that with guys that flash, and Zappe appears to at least be as good as the two guys I mentioned. We've seen lesser guys get starting opportunities in the league. I would say Zappe - so far anyway - has looked better than many of the recent ones.

I'm not proclaiming him to be better than he is, which is why I equated him with Heinicke. Honestly, he's a guy that we probably wouldn't even be talking about had Mac not gotten hurt last year, yet, here we are. That cat is out of the bag and it's only a matter of time (even if it's a couple of years from now) before that shoe drops for him one way or the other. Whether it's here or elsewhere.

I guess we disagree that Zappe has shown enough for any team to consider him a potential starter.

 

[Ring 6]

And not every First Round QB makes it if you haven't notice...Wilson and Lance and others still looks clueless.

Teams will still draft QBs in the first round over taking a 4th round backup and giving him a starting job.

 

[PatsFan2]

Teams will still draft QBs in the first round over taking a 4th round backup and giving him a starting job.

Definitely and a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. The Draft is not an exact science which Mayfield - Darnell and Josh Rosen can attest to. Did most think in the 2018 Draft that Allen and Jackson would be leagues better than those guys??

 

[Ian]

I guess we disagree that Zappe has shown enough for any team to consider him a potential starter.

Obviously you know I've supported Mac, but I'm also a realist. The guy is 2-0 and only had one bad game in four appearances (and he should have beaten Green Bay if Patricia hadn't gone conservative down the stretch).

We both know if he was a free agent, he'd absolutely be on someone's roster with a chance to compete for the starting role. You saying he hasn't shown enough makes it sound like you would rank him behind some of the worst QBs in the league who have all had a chance to start, and I know you don't believe he's that bad.