Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[Ross12]

Mayo is unlikely to win one of the last 4 games, Cards, Chargers, and Bills 2x, so he has to win one of the next 2 games, Miami in FL or against the Colts.

If Mayo loses the last 7 games in a row and finishes 3 - 14, it is hard seeing him coming back next year. Mayo's defense looks like it is collapsing and his press conferences are abysmal.

Thunder is looking for outside QB coaching which means he is unconvinced with the inside coaching. AVP addressed the rumor in his press conference and did not deny the rumor and said he was not involved in the outside search. It looks like Thunder is doing a coaching pre-search after he skipped the process in 2024.

I was severely doubting Kraft parting with Mayo after 1 season, but this story about the Krafts looking for outside coaching for the QB (and it was very specific reporting that it is THE KRAFTS doing this, not anyone on staff now) makes me reconsider. It does seem a little bit like he is not really sold on the current product and is putting his feelers out there early so he knows what to look for when January comes. Also makes guys like Johnson, etc aware that the position could potentially be available.

I do also wonder what this means for the front office.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I don't have a problem with AVP; the offense is improving. It's the HC, DC, GM, and STC who aren't looking good at this point.

Having the defense collapse is a real problem for Mayo. It was supposed to be rock solid and his strength as a coach. Also his in-game decisions leave something to be desired.

Having DB's lined up wrong on the goal line, and allowing a 69 yd bomb on an all out blitz doesn't make Covington look very good.

Having Polk, Baker, Wallace and Robinson from a critical draft be non-contributors is a very bad reflection on the front office.

Having multiple place-kicks blocked in key situations is horrendous for ST's.

 

[archstanton543]

I was severely doubting Kraft parting with Mayo after 1 season, but this story about the Krafts looking for outside coaching for the QB (and it was very specific reporting that it is THE KRAFTS doing this, not anyone on staff now) makes me reconsider. It does seem a little bit like he is not really sold on the current product and is putting his feelers out there early so he knows what to look for when January comes. Also makes guys like Johnson, etc aware that the position could potentially be available.

I do also wonder what this means for the front office.

Jerod Mayo denies report that Krafts sought outside help for Drake Maye's development

New England Patriots head coach Jerod Mayo fired back at a report that teams owners went outside the organization asking for help developing Drake Maye.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[PatsFan2]

Jerod Mayo denies report that Krafts sought outside help for Drake Maye's development

New England Patriots head coach Jerod Mayo fired back at a report that teams owners went outside the organization asking for help developing Drake Maye.

www.cbsnews.com

I don't believe anything two times Mayo says.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I was severely doubting Kraft parting with Mayo after 1 season, but this story about the Krafts looking for outside coaching for the QB (and it was very specific reporting that it is THE KRAFTS doing this, not anyone on staff now) makes me reconsider. It does seem a little bit like he is not really sold on the current product and is putting his feelers out there early so he knows what to look for when January comes. Also makes guys like Johnson, etc aware that the position could potentially be available.

I do also wonder what this means for the front office.

I suspect (if it's even true) that this is just more of the Kraft's checks and balances. With all they said about Belichick having too much centralized power, they'd never give enough power to a Johnson or someone like that.

 

[turkeyneck]

I suspect (if it's even true) that this is just more of the Kraft's checks and balances. With all they said about Belichick having too much centralized power, they'd never give enough power to a Johnson or someone like that.

It grated on them to give Parcells and Belichick free rein. It went against their nature. But they need to do some soul searching and recognize that their success was because they let those guys do their thing.

 

[mike_usagisan]

It grated on them to give Parcells and Belichick free rein. It went against their nature. But they need to do some soul searching and recognize that their success was because they let those guts do their thing.

I agree with you, but I doubt they're in the soul searching phase. One usually has to hit rock bottom for that.

 

[archstanton543]

I don't believe anything two times Mayo says.

That's a you problem.

 

[The Gr8est]

It grated on them to give Parcells and Belichick free rein. It went against their nature. But they need to do some soul searching and recognize that their success was because they let those guys do their thing.

Kraft was along for the ride during the dynasty, in fact, he actively hampered the dynasty being better.

Some rich guy egos just don’t handle reality well.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Or Kraft just goes for the Detroit OC as head coach. Maye plus the draft position would make this the best job available. (Also plus the cap.)

This is completely correct.

Lots of posters say that BB left the franchise as a dumpster fire, but that is not correct. BB's roster is weak - no doubt. But this franchise could be a playoff team in a few years if the FA choices and draft picks are successful. The Pats are poised for a quick turnaround IF the FA money is spent wisely and the draft picks are successful. Will both happen? Not likely with Wolf, his first year is a huge disappointment. I hope RK is smart enough to know that his large bag of FA cap space is a valuable asset that can be wasted and set the Pats back for years.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I was severely doubting Kraft parting with Mayo after 1 season, but this story about the Krafts looking for outside coaching for the QB (and it was very specific reporting that it is THE KRAFTS doing this, not anyone on staff now) makes me reconsider. It does seem a little bit like he is not really sold on the current product and is putting his feelers out there early so he knows what to look for when January comes. Also makes guys like Johnson, etc aware that the position could potentially be available.

I do also wonder what this means for the front office.

The Pats have a huge amount of cap space. If that money is not spent wisely, the franchise is set back for years. If that money is spent wisely, the Pats could be a playoff team in 2025 with Maye. RK knows that. Wolf's draft and FA performane in 2024 is weak, so it is not surprising that RK is considering alternatives. Also RK, I think, is super cheap, which means he is very concerned with how his FA cap dollars are spent (that is the good side of cheap).

 

[TommyD4207]

It's not a similar team. The most important position, QB, is being helmed this year by a vastly superior player.

Mac's play cost us games last year. Maye's play won us games this year.

Saying this is the same team is about as disingenuous as it gets.

To be accurate, he's won us *game* this year.
He has 1 win.

 

[Ross12]

Jerod Mayo denies report that Krafts sought outside help for Drake Maye's development

New England Patriots head coach Jerod Mayo fired back at a report that teams owners went outside the organization asking for help developing Drake Maye.

www.cbsnews.com

I mean, would Mayo actually know? This is a little awkward.

 

[Family]

Lots of posters say that BB left the franchise as a dumpster fire, but that is not correct. BB's roster is weak - no doubt. But this franchise could be a playoff team in a few years if the FA choices and draft picks are successful. The Pats are poised for a quick turnaround IF the FA money is spent wisely and the draft picks are successful. Will both happen? Not likely with Wolf, his first year is a huge disappointment. I hope RK is smart enough to know that his large bag of FA cap space is a valuable asset that can be wasted and set the Pats back for years.

I always was a big BB fan, but he did kind of leave it as a dumpster fire.

If Maye was a bust, they would be the one of the worst positioned hopeless teams in football.

It looks like the kid completely turned this around.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I always was a big BB fan, but he did kind of leave it as a dumpster fire.

If Maye was a bust, they would be the one of the worst positioned hopeless teams in football.

It looks like the kid completely turned this around.

Any franchise that picks the wrong QB at the top of the draft can pick another QB the next year, or sign a FA QB, to change its fortune. Look at the Cardinals who picked J Rosen one year, and Kyler Murray the next, or the signing of Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith, or Sam Darnold. Picking the wrong QB does not make a franchise one of the worst positioned hopeless teams.

The worst positioned hopeless teams are the ones that make bad management (GM) decisions, and do not admit it and change quickly. The Steelers are well run and have been above 0.500 for about 20 years. If the wrong QB is selected in Y1, the team becomes hopeless only if the franchise does not admit its error and keeps trying to make a losing QB good, usually because the argument is that a QB takes 3 years to mature. The management has to determine if they have a Josh Allen or a Mac Jones, one is a superstar in 3 years and one is a bust.

The correct management decision to draft Maye helped turn the Pats' franchise around. Who can consistently make similarly good management decisions with the Pats' huge FA money pot and top of the 2025 draft picks? If the management decisions with the huge FA money pot are not made well, then the Pats will be one of the worst positioned hopeless teams in football.

 

[Vindicate]

Going back to the E-P offense would suck. And MacDaniels is a failure as a HC. No thanks.

Given that the E-P offense became more of a communication tool for calling plays, which offered the QB flexibility to call audibles and modify parts of the original playcall while retaining what worked, and offering a wide variability in how you can use your personnel, do we not like EP because it necessitates an understanding of the game that most don't have coming out of college anymore?

Just wondering. If so, it just sucks that a methodology that reflects a vast understanding of offense, is used less and less because... People can't keep up.

 

[SVN]

No way he is one and done. Does a lot of damage to RKK's image. And more importantly he has the local media on his side who fall over making excuses for him.

 

[captain stone]

Given that the E-P offense became more of a communication tool for calling plays, which offered the QB flexibility to call audibles and modify parts of the original playcall while retaining what worked, and offering a wide variability in how you can use your personnel, do we not like EP because it necessitates an understanding of the game that most don't have coming out of college anymore?

Just wondering. If so, it just sucks that a methodology that reflects a vast understanding of offense, is used less and less because... People can't keep up.

Part of what makes EP less effective today is that it relies a great deal on QB & receivers being on the exact same page at the exact same time; and the best method of attaining that efficacy is through repetition, i.e. experience, especially shared experience, of which this particular collaboration has precious little. It's as if some of these concepts in routes & protections are being attempted for the first time on the field of play during actual regulation time. Not exactly optimum conditions right thar.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Vrabel needs to be fired right now.

I realize he hasn’t been hired yet, but since this will be the reaction when he loses his first game in NE I figured I should just get it out of the way.

 

[Jackson 2]

No way he is one and done. Does a lot of damage to RKK's image. And more importantly he has the local media on his side who fall over making excuses for him.

You got that right. He's gotten more excuses made for him in 10 months than Belichick got in 20 plus years.