Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[Actual Pats Fan]

Maye & Mayo, sounds like a holding company or law firm. We'll keep him around just for branding purposes!

Damn, if Myra were still here it'd be Maye, Mayo & Myra LLC.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Damn, if Myra were still here it'd be Maye, Mayo & Myra LLC.

they could start selling tapes - “3M”…. oh wait

 

[lancerman]

Mayo is a first year HC who has a rookie QB. He's not being compared to the dynasty era. He's being compared to what the GOAT HC was able to accomplish with a very similar team last year. Right now he's a win away from matching that. As long as there isn't a full scale meltdown the rest of the way, I have a very hard time thinking that there's going to be much clamoring for his head. There's going to be a lot of "Belichick couldn't win much with this team, Mayo needs more than a year and needs to be able to prove he can get the team to improve with some talent".

There were going to be growing pains with Mayo, this is pretty much a perfect time to work that out. Nobody should be deluding themselves into thinking Mayo is why we aren't a playoff team.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Mayo is a first year HC who has a rookie QB. He's not being compared to the dynasty era. He's being compared to what the GOAT HC was able to accomplish with a very similar team last year. Right now he's a win away from matching that. As long as there isn't a full scale meltdown the rest of the way, I have a very hard time thinking that there's going to be much clamoring for his head. There's going to be a lot of "Belichick couldn't win much with this team, Mayo needs more than a year and needs to be able to prove he can get the team to improve with some talent".

There were going to be growing pains with Mayo, this is pretty much a perfect time to work that out. Nobody should be deluding themselves into thinking Mayo is why we aren't a playoff team.

It is not a bad thing that he is likely staying. The most important thing for a new coach is that he has to get the players to play hard and take coaching. The last few weeks have been encouraging. He can can continue to learn and bring in some more experienced coaches to improve in game strategy and game planning. I don't like how he seems to call out Wolf for a bad roster and his role in the team doing a lot of business in the press. The last part really falls on Kraft for creating the dynamic.

 

[Toofy]

The more I see the issues with other teams , I feel at least we are trending upwards which is a positive and I will rip my hat to Mayo for making the team show some resilience and fight.

If we win anything more than 5 games it's a fantastic season . AVP for all the hate he gets , including from myself has done a terrific job in developing Maye.

I just feel he might need some additional support to reduce the burden as I am not sure what McAdoo is doing . It's extremely unclear.

 

[captain stone]

Mayo is a first year HC who has a rookie QB. He's not being compared to the dynasty era. He's being compared to what the GOAT HC was able to accomplish with a very similar team last year. Right now he's a win away from matching that. As long as there isn't a full scale meltdown the rest of the way, I have a very hard time thinking that there's going to be much clamoring for his head. There's going to be a lot of "Belichick couldn't win much with this team, Mayo needs more than a year and needs to be able to prove he can get the team to improve with some talent".

There were going to be growing pains with Mayo, this is pretty much a perfect time to work that out. Nobody should be deluding themselves into thinking Mayo is why we aren't a playoff team.

One could also argue that, if it weren't for coaching, we'd be a 6-4 team right now.

 

[captain stone]

It is not a bad thing that he is likely staying. The most important thing for a new coach is that he has to get the players to play hard and take coaching. The last few weeks have been encouraging. He can can continue to learn and bring in some more experienced coaches to improve in game strategy and game planning. I don't like how he seems to call out Wolf for a bad roster and his role in the team doing a lot of business in the press. The last part really falls on Kraft for creating the dynamic.

Why shouldn't he? Ron Wolf's boy, together with Al Groh's boy & Bill himself, are the reasons why this is one of the very worst - if not The worst - rosters in the entire league. To say otherwise would be to play the Foole.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Why shouldn't he? Ron Wolf's boy, together with Al Groh's boy & Bill himself, are the reasons why this is one of the very worst - if not The worst - rosters in the entire league. To say otherwise would be to play the Foole.

It is a double edged sword. I agree that Mayo has a point when it comes to putting pressure on Wolf, the part I don't like is the message he sends to the players when delivered multiple times in season. Mayo seems to have a good connection with the team so they may understand. Best case the players are aligned with Mayo vs Wolf. In a model where personnel and coaching are separate, you want the players to be united with the coach they interact with on a daily basis and not the scary, man behind the curtains GM.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If Kraft is thinking that Mayo isn’t the long term answer then he shouldn’t base the decision on just simply replacing Mayo, he should base it on a HC being available who will be the long term answer. The Belichick hiring is a good illustration of this. Had he just fired Carroll and Belichick stayed with the Jets there’s a strong likelihood that we would have seen a series of head coaches and GM’s, and the histories of the Patriots and Jets would have flipped scripts. Chew on that thought for a while.

 

[Huckleberry1]

McDaniels is the obvious choice, but he is going wherever Belichick goes.

Going back to the E-P offense would suck. And MacDaniels is a failure as a HC. No thanks.

 

[jdlboot14]

They're stuck with Mayo at least 3 years now, no matter what.

I've said it - the wiser move would have been Vrabel as HC, and Mayo as DC (or asst. HC) to keep him and prepare him. But it's too late now. Vrabel will get hired this January.

 

[Thelonious]

I think the team should be OPEN to the possibility, not because of any specific reservation re Mayo, though I have those, but because I think ANY first year coach's abilities and potential must be regarded as being in question. The presumption that it takes two or three years to evaluate a coaching prospect's potential is asinine, in my view, a self-defeating excuse for inaction in those instances where a coach seems not to be up to the job. The fact that Mayo was chosen in a "hiring process" that was half-assed and unprofessional and based to a degree on such trivial criteria as that he was handy and a nice guy and that he served as a charming travel companion for the boss ought also to serve as a cautionary note for those who wish to assume that because he was hired, he should have been hired.

To this point, it appears that he might be adequate. That's as far as I can go. Is that really enough?

 

[Thelonious]

The bottom line is that exceptional good QBs make NFL coaches look like Vince Lombardi.

Andy Reid - Mahomes
Belichick - Brady
Shanahan - Elway
Dungy - P Manning
Coughlin - E Manning
Walsh - Montana
Johnson - Aikman
Noll - Bradshaw

That does not mean that all coaches are equally competent. The idea, for example, that Lombardi was a great coach because of Bart Starr is patently absurd. The fact that Maye's play might make Mayo appear to be a better ciach than he actually is not a valid reason to keep Mayo. It is simply lazy and irresponsible.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Like it or not, this year is a "freebie" for the coaches.
They will receive more scrutiny in years to come.

 

[sportnik]

I’ve seen enough of Mayo. Maye is carrying this team and preventing Mayo from being exposed as a completely ineffective, fraud of a stuffed suit who doesn’t do anything well but suck up the owner.

Mayo is supposed to be a defense coach. His team has spent a disproportionate amount of its cap space on the defense, yet the defense somehow gets worse every week and can’t stop the run.

Mayo is supposed to be a “CEO” coach, unburdened by the distraction of play calling, yet he has no command over the game.

The Pats just lucked into one of the great QB talents to hit the league in the last 20 years and they are going to waste it all away because the owner fell in love with Mayo for leading a prayer group in Israel.

Meanwhile, Mayo is going to mislead Thunder Cat into throwing AVP under the bus, when the Offense has clearly outperformed & the defense, with all its talent, is clearly the problem. But throwing fellow coaches under the bus is the one thing Little Thundercat does exceptionally well.

 

[fightingirish595]

Don’t know don’t care.

Clown owner surrounded by clown family.

I was cool with getting rid of bill for a legit coach.

organization deserves nothing but bad things

 

[The Gr8est]

I’ve seen enough of Mayo. Maye is carrying this team and preventing Mayo from being exposed as a completely ineffective, fraud of a stuffed suit who doesn’t do anything well but suck up the owner.

Mayo is supposed to be a defense coach. His team has spent a disproportionate amount of its cap space on the defense, yet the defense somehow gets worse every week and can’t stop the run.

Mayo is supposed to be a “CEO” coach, unburdened by the distraction of play calling, yet he has no command over the game.

The Pats just lucked a one of the great QB talents to hit the league in the last 20 years and they are going to waste it all away because the owner fell in love with Mayo for leading a prayer group in Israel.

Meanwhile, Mayo is going to mislead Thunder Cat into throwing AVP under the bus, when the Offense has clearly outperformed & the defense, with all its talent, is clearly the problem. But throwing fellow coaches under the bus is the one thing Little Thundercat does exceptionally well.

Is Mayo Kraft’s Patricia-Judge moment?

Of course to be a true analogy you need to have been HOF caliber previously.

 

[Since1960]

If he called that run play on 1st down on the final series, I’d fire him now!

 

[JohnJH]

Yell at me. Scream at me. Tell me all kinds of ways that I'm wrong (and some will probably try to insult me in the process). But, I've been a DIE HARD FAN of this Team since the early 70's. Since then I've seen: Bad Ownership's, Bad Front Office's, Bad Head Coach's, Bad Coordinator's, and Bad Everything else. Mayo, Covington, and Van Pelt (and possibly Wolf/Groh Jr.) were horrible mistakes. And, if Maye doesn't get injured and makes it through to his 3rd Season (as most on here rightly believe that RK will give Mayo and who knows who else at least one more Season), the only way Maye doesn't fall apart is because he is that mentally tough! We have been given what appears to be a Franchise Talent at the most important position on an NFL Team and if The Kraft's don't swallow their pride and admit they were wrong when this season concludes, Maye very well might be a SB Winning Starting QB, but, for another Team! At least AVP is working on basics with Maye which any decent QB Coach would agree should be done, but AVP is NOT an OC. Covington Has Gonzo not even cover man to man in-game when their zone plan wasn't working? Mayo even admitted they just stuck with it because...Reasons. Gonzo was being diplomatic when he was asked how he felt about how they would use him this week in practice before the game. If this dysfunctional and incompetent staff isn't released after this season and competency is restored, you can look at an opportunity to rebuild to a once again proud franchise lost for whoever knows how long. And, don't ask me how it should be done. I just know that what they have (besides Maye and a few other players), is horrible. I do really want to be wrong, understand that. But I don't think that I will be. I know there is a serious lack of overall talent. But I do not see this staff, after this season just having the light bulb go off and all of a sudden become competent (or better than even that). I know this is basically Year 1 of the rebuild. But, let's not kid ourselves that this staff knows what the heck it doing nor should be trusted for this rebuild. Let the insults and whatever else begin.

 

[PatriotSpy]

Jim harbaugh is building a good program in Los Angeles like he did at Michigan and San Francisco.

Is mayo a program builder? I don’t think so. Yes he’s working with a rookie qb but this defense has been bad.

I wish there was an offensive guy out there with a proven track record of winning. If mcvay ever becomes available, I’d get him.

And mirror him with a tough, physical demanding DC.