Deshaun Watson Suspended 11 games (Updated)

[Bill Lee]

Hard to argue any of this:

Deshaun Watson didn’t just need an NFL owner who was desperate when he was shopping his services in the spring. He needed someone who would also see the women he’d sexually violated as disposable, not worthy of real care and concern.

In Dee and Jimmy Haslam, he found both.

The Haslams might not have assaulted or harassed anyone, as Deshaun Watson was accused of doing in civil suits filed by two dozen women. But the owners of the Cleveland Browns did significant harm to women all the same, be it with their enthusiastic embrace of a sexual predator – yeah, I said it – or their enabling of him Thursday.

The Haslams can try and spin this – and Lord knows they’ve tried – but the truth is they value Watson’s arms and legs over the bodies and souls of women. These women in particular, though the message to all women is clear:

Your pain and suffering is inconsequential. Your thoughts and opinions are irrelevant. You are insignificant.

Jimmy and Dee Haslam, Browns owners, hurt women with their support of Deshaun Watson | Opinion

Browns owners Dee and Jimmy Haslam valued Deshaun Watson’s arms and legs over the bodies and souls of women, and they must own that.

www.usatoday.com

 

[rochrist]

I keep seeing 11 games mentioned as the suspension. But it's really 28 games total. He missed all of last year, I am sure that was taken into consideration.

Not saying it's long enough or whatever. Just pointing out that saying he was only suspended 11 games is misleading.

He was not suspended last year, and he was fully paid for last year, and no matter how many times apologists pretend it was a suspension, it was not.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

He was not suspended last year, and he was fully paid for last year, and no matter how many times apologists pretend it was a suspension, it was not.

and he was paid almost $16 million, for NOT working!

In fact, since these allegations have come out, Watson will be paid over $245 million dollars! all guaranteed!!

and that is with him missing his last/next 25 games!

Yeah, the NFL has really shown him! No wonder he is showing no remorse!

Keep in mind Brady was suspended 4 games, because he the NFL does not understand the ideal gas law

 

[Bill Lee]

Hope she continues to stand her ground.

Lauren Baxley explains her refusal to settle with Deshaun Watson: He shows no remorse

The NFL settled with Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson despite the fact that he has shown no true remorse toward the women he allegedly (or, as determined by Judge Sue L.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

“I have rejected all settlement offers, in part because they have not included any sincere acknowledgment of remorse and wrongdoings, nor have they included any promises of rehabilitative treatment,” Lauren Baxley said in an essay for TheDailyBeast.com. “Watson still refuses to admit that he harassed and committed indecent assault against me. Any settlement offer he has made has been a dismissal of his evil actions, and I know that unless there is an authoritative intervention, he will continue his destructive behavior.”

“I will say again,” Baxley wrote, “All non-consensual sexual acts are a violence, particularly when the predator far outweighs his victims in physical stature and influential power. And inherent and unspoken threats are just as damaging to the psyche as explicit threats. I will never cease my attempts to educate on this point.”

 

[mgcolby]

He was not suspended last year, and he was fully paid for last year, and no matter how many times apologists pretend it was a suspension, it was not.

Did he play?

 

[pctronics0072]

Neither did Edelman. Was he suspended??

Just like Edelman CHOOSING to retire and therefore not playing, Watson CHOOSE to not play.

Now, if you want to argue that if he chose to play, he would have ended up on the exempt list therefore, not been able to play, I think that is a very fair argument (and probably accurate too).

However, I do not think a players time on the exempt list gets counted as part of a players suspension. (??)

 

[Jlaff]

J, the cops that investigated felt their was more than enough evidence to indict him criminally. The grand juries that failed to indict took testimony from only ONE of the complainants in each time. They never heard the breadth of his actions only a "he said she said" case against a local football hero. The NFL's chief investigator called his actions "egregious and predatory" and she only reviewed 4 cases, which meant there was 26 NOT reviewed

I do reprimand you for your "they were well paid" comment. So I guess if someone raped or abused YOUR wife or girlfriend, but left a stack of hundreds on her body it would make OK? I mean she WAS well paid.

Finally, the fact he showed no real remorse and continued HIS "big lie" by maintaining his innocence, damns him even further AND makes it even more likely this will happen in the future. No question Watson "won" He will miss 11 games and STILL make over $40MM this year despite that joke of a fine. The thing is when a sexual predator gets away with his crimes it only emboldens him more. This isn't the last we will hear about Deshaun Watson and sexual abuse.

Pressuring or trying to get a blowjob from a woman is not rape. It's just not. I haven't seen the allegation that these women felt threatened. I haven't seen the allegation that these women were not allowed to leave after he asked for the blowjob, or otherwise felt like they were unable to.

Also, I have no respect for any PR finding made by an NFL investigator.

If these women were reluctant but then decided to do something for money, and regretted it later, well that sucks, sincerely. I've done plenty I regret. He can be all the creepy things he appears to be but it doesn't make it rape.

Discipline for exposing yourself or soliciting prostitution from an unwilling massage therapist is another matter. But that's leagues less egregious than rape and does not make him a sexual predator.

 

[rochrist]

He most assuredly IS a sexual predator.

 

[TheRainMaker]

It would not shock me if Watson is not the same player when he finally does play.

 

[mgcolby]

Neither did Edelman. Was he suspended??

Just like Edelman CHOOSING to retire and therefore not playing, Watson CHOOSE to not play.

Now, if you want to argue that if he chose to play, he would have ended up on the exempt list therefore, not been able to play, I think that is a very fair argument (and probably accurate too).

However, I do not think a players time on the exempt list gets counted as part of a players suspension. (??)

I know the sensibilities. Look as I inferred in my post I really don't give a **** about this one way or the other. I simply pointed out he did not play in 28 games. That is nearly two full seasons of football for a potential hall of Fame career. That is nothing to sniff at even if he "was paid", which was irrelevant to my point.

If he did this he is a piece of ****. If the women jumped on the band wagon of false accusations then they are equally pieces of ****. It's probably somewhere in the middle. None of us know the truth because we weren't there.

But I'm sorry, if a dude whips out his **** and starts stroking it and you stay and watch, you're not a victim. If a women feels threatened and afraid to leave because maybe he forcefully grabbed her arm or verbally threatened her to give him head or what not then sure put his ass in jail.

Either way it's hard to get over the fact that it wasn't until he demanded a trade that these accusations were made by two women and it just so happened that both victims "contacted" a lawyer, the same lawyer, that just "happened" to be the owners neighbor by happens chance. Accusations true or not c'mon man. I was born at night but it wasn't last night.

 

[XLIX]

Neither did Edelman. Was he suspended??

Just like Edelman CHOOSING to retire and therefore not playing, Watson CHOOSE to not play.

Now, if you want to argue that if he chose to play, he would have ended up on the exempt list therefore, not been able to play, I think that is a very fair argument (and probably accurate too).

However, I do not think a players time on the exempt list gets counted as part of a players suspension. (??)

did you hear? Malcolm Butler has been suspended for the entire 2022 season. And so has Mekhi Becton.

 

[TommyD4207]

did you hear? Malcolm Butler has been suspended for the entire 2022 season. And so has Mekhi Becton.

So had James White. Sad.

 

[Deus Irae]

Not gonna lie man, this is actually sickening.

I don't recall ever seeing something like this... Maybe when Edmundo killed 2 guys drunk-driving s and was able to play while the judicial process happened (for most of it, anyway). But he was sorry, first of all

Watson is beyond all that. Guy is a straight up predator, using his enablers to work-around the system, AND THERE IS PEOPLE CHEERING FOR HIM. He went through a legal process, was borderline named a rapist in the document, but bc of PRECEDENT his punishment is what it is. Then, the NFL puts itself on position to be the White Knight of the situation..... and puts him to debut against his former Team. I mean... I don't even know, absolute cynism doesn't sound strong enough

I stay out of most political stuff here, since hey, it's not my country, so I don't say this nearly enough time but... Only in America... Also Watson IS a rapist. "Pressuring women into oral sex isn't rape"... What the ****...

Literally zero convictions. Literally zero charges.



The NFL fined the guy $5m and suspended him for 11 games, all for something the NFL shouldn't be involved in at all.

 

[patfanken]

I agree in principle but not with your argument. We have DAs for a reason, what a cop may or may not think about criminal indictments is irrelevant. No lady spoke of rape, including "rape" in your post is inflammatory.

It is too bad people can not be appalled without making misleading statements and false implications.

Sorry about that. Remove the word rape and change it to sexual assault. I didn't mean to be misleading.

Understand what people fail to get is the grand juries were never led to understand that Watson's behavior was so broadly based. They only heard about ONE complainant. With just one complaintant it becomes a "he said, she said" event and no grand jury is going to indict, especially a football star in Texas.

So Watson can rationalize that the lack of any indictment "proves" that he is innocent of any wrong doing, but that doesn't pass the smell test, does it?

 

[patfanken]

Bob Kraft is guilty of soliciting prostitution and did not receive the first iota of punishment. The massage parlor owner plead guilty to engaging in the business of prostitution.

Jerry Jones has pics all over the web of him standing with his pants around his ankles and a woman kneeling before him with her head resting on his Swanson. In another pic, Jerry is grabbing a blonde woman by her breasts clearly against her wishes. I suppose that is the way the NFL is honoring women and championing respect. Everyone including YOU looked the other way.

Your very own home boy Al Franken lost his job for pretending to fondle a woman by her breasts.

Where were you calling for Jerry Jones to be punished ?

Your intense hatred for Bob Kraft colors everything you post here. You really ought to see someone about it. I find it interesting when to listed your line up of perfidy that you failed to mention the BIGGEST female abuser of all, the guy who was recorded telling people to "grab them by the ****". Well known sexual abuser, Donald Trump. Or did you just forget about that one. Selective memories are so telling.

aside from that, what Robert Kraft did is completely apples to oranges. One person has been a serial predator who forced women into UNWANTED situations and Kraft was given a happy ending from someone who gladly gave him one. Even YOU should be able to see the difference

 

[Triumph]

Your intense hatred for Bob Kraft colors everything you post here. You really ought to see someone about it. I find it interesting when to listed your line up of perfidy that you failed to mention the BIGGEST female abuser of all, the guy who was recorded telling people to "grab them by the ****". Well known sexual abuser, Donald Trump. Or did you just forget about that one. Selective memories are so telling.

aside from that, what Robert Kraft did is completely apples to oranges. One person has been a serial predator who forced women into UNWANTED situations and Kraft was given a happy ending from someone who gladly gave him one. Even YOU should be able to see the difference

Hypocrite.

Not a peep about Jones, Kraft or Cigar Bill. Your idol.

 

[patfanken]

Pressuring or trying to get a blowjob from a woman is not rape. It's just not. I haven't seen the allegation that these women felt threatened. I haven't seen the allegation that these women were not allowed to leave after he asked for the blowjob, or otherwise felt like they were unable to.

Also, I have no respect for any PR finding made by an NFL investigator.

If these women were reluctant but then decided to do something for money, and regretted it later, well that sucks, sincerely. I've done plenty I regret. He can be all the creepy things he appears to be but it doesn't make it rape.

Discipline for exposing yourself or soliciting prostitution from an unwilling massage therapist is another matter. But that's leagues less egregious than rape and does not make him a sexual predator.

Like I said earlier. My use of the word rape in trying make a comparison WAS in error. The term "sexual assault" would have be a much better and accurate descriptive. But the point is still clear. As many have already pointed out. It was clear that Watson committed "sexual assault" on MULTIPLE occasions And has showed zero remorse about it.

 

[Bill Lee]

Pressuring or trying to get a blowjob from a woman is not rape. It's just not. I haven't seen the allegation that these women felt threatened. I haven't seen the allegation that these women were not allowed to leave after he asked for the blowjob, or otherwise felt like they were unable to.

Are you doing any of your own research at all, or just going on what people at bars tell you?

I made it easy by linking two articles in my last reply to you, did you read either of them?

Here's a quote:

This massage started much the same as the first. Watson again rejected a sheet used as draping and asked for a small towel instead, the suit said.​

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But Watson laid on his back this time and initially asked the woman to focus on his upper body and abdomen before he “demanded” that she work on his inner thighs and quadriceps, the suit said.​

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Watson’s “tone became aggressive as he repeatedly demanded that she go higher and higher into his inner thighs,” the suit said.​

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As the massage continued, “Watson made piercing eye contact” with the woman, who was uncomfortable and afraid because Watson was bigger and stronger than her and because of what he could do to her fledgling business, the suit said.​

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At some point, Watson got an erection, causing the towel to fall off, the suit said. ​

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“Watson then started to masturbate," the suit said, and the woman immediately stopped the massage. “Apparently responding to the look of shock on (the woman’s) face, Watson said to (the woman) ‘Relax. It is okay to touch it.' ” the suit said.​

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When she refused, Watson stood and “continued masturbating more aggressively,” the suit said.​

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As he did so, he also asked the woman, “Where do you want me to put it?” the suit said, adding that the woman was “in complete shock and could not speak. She froze.”​

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Watson then quickly ejaculated, the suit said, and “some of his ejaculate got on (the woman’s) chest and face,” the suit said.​

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The woman immediately left the room to clean up. Watson dressed, “offered no apology or explanation for his conduct,” left and paid her $150 via Cash App.​

So, what does this represent to you, just another day in the life of a massage therapist?

Yes, she was afraid, and she didn't leave immediately because what he was doing was so shocking to her.

Do you know any actual massage therapists?

What if this was your mother/sister/daughter/partner/friend?

Why do you keep suggesting that if it wasn't rape then it was OK?

What does being allowed to leave after have to do with anything?

Also, I have no respect for any PR finding made by an NFL investigator.

This does not come from a NFL investigation, it comes from a court document filed by a victim.

If these women were reluctant but then decided to do something for money, and regretted it later, well that sucks, sincerely.

In at least 24 cases they were there to do massage therapy for money, not be prostitutes.

I've done plenty I regret.

As have most if not all of us. But this guy shows a clear pattern.

The dude had hit up 43 different women for massages in less than a year.

If all he wanted was a good massage, he'd find a small number of competent massage therapists.

Heck, some of them could even be males.

But nope, 43 different women in less than a year.

He can be all the creepy things he appears to be but it doesn't make it rape.

It isn't rape! Damn, you are just not listening! It is sexual assault!

Discipline for exposing yourself or soliciting prostitution from an unwilling massage therapist is another matter.

If it was indecent exposure or soliciting prostitution, that's what the charges would be.

But, nope, read the reporting: He is being charged with sexual assault!

The difference is the unwanted contact. He didn't just ask, he made contact with his junk.

But that's leagues less egregious than rape and does not make him a sexual predator.

Less egregious (big word for you!) but still a sexual predator.

Judge Robinson used that exact word.

Google if you don't know who Judge Robinson is.

 

[Jlaff]

I think a lot of people in here are suffering from some of that lowered expectations brand of racism.

A black man, like Watson is involved with some happy ending massages. Immediate predator.

Kraft gets caught once. A slight mishap. Alzheimers and the drink can readily explain that he genuinely thought the Asian therapist was just really attracted to him. Following a totally impromptu stop at a cheap stripmall massage shop. You know, typical billionaire stuff.

 

[rochrist]

I think a lot of people in here are suffering from some of that lowered expectations brand of racism.

A black man, like Watson is involved with some happy ending massages. Immediate predator.

Kraft gets caught once. A slight mishap. Alzheimers and the drink can readily explain that he genuinely thought the Asian therapist was just really attracted to him.

If you can't see the difference between one consensual act with a sex worker and 26 non-consensual acts with NON sex workers, that's on you, not us.