Deshaun Watson Suspended 11 games (Updated)

[VectorPrime]

So what’s the O/U number of weeks until it’s leaked out that the “third party mandated therapy” which Watson needs to attend is either clearly shown to be a sham or just not happening at all?

 

[patfanken]

So what’s the O/U number of weeks until it’s leaked out that the “third party mandated therapy” which Watson needs to attend is either clearly shown to be a sham or just not happening at all?

It is NOT happening. It's over. He'll sit 11 games. He'll make over $40MM and everyone will have it erased from their collective memories by late October. Well maybe it will pop up again when he comes off of suspension in Nov for a week or two, but it will be gone, like it never happened. The NFL won't mention it, that NFLPA won't mention it, and the NFL led media won't mention it either. Maybe Florio might keep beating that drum for a while, but even he knows its a dead issue. We won't hear much at all, until of course, he commits another sexual assault

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

J, the cops that investigated felt their was more than enough evidence to indict him criminally. The grand juries that failed to indict took testimony from only ONE of the complainants in each time. They never heard the breadth of his actions only a "he said she said" case against a local football hero. The NFL's chief investigator called his actions "egregious and predatory" and she only reviewed 4 cases, which meant there was 26 NOT reviewed

I do reprimand you for your "they were well paid" comment. So I guess if someone raped or abused YOUR wife or girlfriend, but left a stack of hundreds on her body it would make OK? I mean she WAS well paid.

Finally, the fact he showed no real remorse and continued HIS "big lie" by maintaining his innocence, damns him even further AND makes it even more likely this will happen in the future. No question Watson "won" He will miss 11 games and STILL make over $40MM this year despite that joke of a fine. The thing is when a sexual predator gets away with his crimes it only emboldens him more. This isn't the last we will hear about Deshaun Watson and sexual abuse.

I agree in principle but not with your argument. We have DAs for a reason, what a cop may or may not think about criminal indictments is irrelevant. No lady spoke of rape, including "rape" in your post is inflammatory.

It is too bad people can not be appalled without making misleading statements and false implications.

 

[Joker]

It is too bad people can not be appalled without making misleading statements and false implications.

I guess you're not an American...in this country, making misleading statements and false implications is a well practiced art form

 

[Sect140]

Interesting yesterday that Watson continues to say he is innocent, the owner says he deserves a second chance and deserves to be able to rehabilitate himself, the owners wife states Watson will get counseling.

It doesn’t sound like much coordinating was done prior to everyone stepping in front of a microphone

 

[XLIX]

Interesting yesterday that Watson continues to say he is innocent, the owner says he deserves a second chance and deserves to be able to rehabilitate himself, the owners wife states Watson will get counseling.

It doesn’t sound like much coordinating was done prior to everyone stepping in front of a microphone

That’s because the owner went in with the mentality that “ok for the next half hour or so I have to put on my serious face and pretend to care about sexual assault when all I really want is for this guy to win us some football games and sell tickets.”

 

[Grogan14]

The whole Watson affair is a stain on the Browns and the NFL. He is completely insincere and can not even have the manners to offer up a meaning full apology or some contrition. I do not know how the Browns fans can root for that d-bag. I can assure you, I would not be rooting for the Pats if he was the QB instead of MAC.
11 games was not enough of a suspension and now that he has made a complete ass of himself after the agreement was reached yesterday, I think the agreement should be rescinded.
The fact that the Browns offered him over 200 million fully guaranteed is outrageous.

 

[Bill Lee]

So what’s the O/U number of weeks until it’s leaked out that the “third party mandated therapy” which Watson needs to attend is either clearly shown to be a sham or just not happening at all?

I think it will happen, it's one of the last ways the league can keep any degree of control on the situation:

NFL Network Insider Tom Pelissero reported that there is no timeline for Watson to undergo the mandatory evaluation from behavioral experts, but a league source told Pelissero it will be "relatively soon." Pelissero added that if Watson does not follow the treatment plan there can be additional disciplinary action and a delay in his reinstatement.

Browns QB Deshaun Watson maintains innocence, says he 'never assaulted anyone' following 11-game suspension, $5M fine

Of course it's up to the player if he takes it seriously or not. You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.

Interesting yesterday that Watson continues to say he is innocent, the owner says he deserves a second chance and deserves to be able to rehabilitate himself, the owners wife states Watson will get counseling.

It doesn’t sound like much coordinating was done prior to everyone stepping in front of a microphone

Indeed, why would an innocent person need a second chance?

I agree in principle but not with your argument. We have DAs for a reason, what a cop may or may not think about criminal indictments is irrelevant. No lady spoke of rape, including "rape" in your post is inflammatory.

It is too bad people can not be appalled without making misleading statements and false implications.

I agree, we should stick to the facts.

Personally, while I feel the punishment should be more, we have to remember this process was subject to the CBA.

Judge Robinson said the closest precedent she could use was Jameis Watson's drunken groping of an Uber driver that came with a 3 game suspension.

She said it was egregious so she doubled that to six games.

Yet in the Watson case the NFL presented four victims, so IMO it could have been 3 games for each woman, plus an accelerator for a pattern of abuse.

Personally I think it can/should have been a year, plus fine.

Guess the NFL just wanted this over with, even though chances are good the appeal would have gone their way.

If nothing else, if there is a "next time" they now have a newer, higher precedent to start from.

Yet I think an eleven game suspension and a five million dollar fine isn't going to deter future bad behavior.

As Haslam said, he's a 25 year old starting QB, and that's what counts in his book.

 

[Triumph]

A couple thoughts.

1 Even this extended suspension is woefully lenient for someone who committed, in the NFL's own words, "egregious and predatory" actions. The words simply don't match the suspension.

Bob Kraft is guilty of soliciting prostitution and did not receive the first iota of punishment. The massage parlor owner plead guilty to engaging in the business of prostitution.

Jerry Jones has pics all over the web of him standing with his pants around his ankles and a woman kneeling before him with her head resting on his Swanson. In another pic, Jerry is grabbing a blonde woman by her breasts clearly against her wishes. I suppose that is the way the NFL is honoring women and championing respect. Everyone including YOU looked the other way.

Your very own home boy Al Franken lost his job for pretending to fondle a woman by her breasts.

Where were you calling for Jerry Jones to be punished ?

 

[Bill Lee]

J, the cops that investigated felt their was more than enough evidence to indict him criminally. The grand juries that failed to indict took testimony from only ONE of the complainants in each time. They never heard the breadth of his actions only a "he said she said" case against a local football hero. The NFL's chief investigator called his actions "egregious and predatory" and she only reviewed 4 cases, which meant there was 26 NOT reviewed

Here's a good summary from an article out today:

In the words of the NFL’s own investigators, Deshaun Watson committed sexual assault multiple times, making “unwanted sexual contact with another person” on multiple occasions by “touching [his] penis to the women without their consent.” He did it, the NFL said, knowing this type of sexual contact was unwanted and, in doing so, posed “genuine danger to the safety and well-being” of the women involved. Further, the NFL said in presenting the findings of its investigation earlier this summer, that Watson “used his status as an NFL player as a pretext to engage in a premeditated pattern of predatory behavior toward multiple women.”

While the word "rape" definitely does not apply, "sexual assault" definitely does.

Note the use of the word "unwanted". There was no consent.

The article has some interesting conclusions:

So, in what the NFL and Watson’s NFLPA representatives believe is a resolution to this situation, they offer a mess of contradictions and shirk responsibility. Watson will “do the hard work,” as Goodell said, even though there is no work to do; he apologized to everyone, but for nothing. He’ll see a counselor about his behavior, behavior that he says is completely fine.

Ultimately, no one at the NFL, at the NFLPA, or in Cleveland was going to be able to offer a good explanation for the settlement, because there isn’t one. It doesn’t make sense because it can’t make sense, and every fraudulent justification offered is another insult to the women Watson hurt. The Browns are used to being a laughingstock. But never to an extent like this.

Source:

The NFL Could Have Made a Statement With the Deshaun Watson Punishment; Instead, It Cut a Deal

After a settlement between the league and union, the Cleveland Browns quarterback will serve an 11-game suspension this season. But given Watson’s continued defiance and the Browns’ lack of accountability, it’s still inadequate.

www.theringer.com

 

[XLIX]

Jerry Jones has pics all over the web of him standing with his pants around his ankles and a woman kneeling before him with her head resting on his Swanson. In another pic, Jerry is grabbing a blonde woman by her breasts clearly against her wishes.

Yeah she clearly hated being grabbed by him....

 

[JayNM]

Not gonna lie man, this is actually sickening.

I don't recall ever seeing something like this... Maybe when Edmundo killed 2 guys drunk-driving s and was able to play while the judicial process happened (for most of it, anyway). But he was sorry, first of all

Watson is beyond all that. Guy is a straight up predator, using his enablers to work-around the system, AND THERE IS PEOPLE CHEERING FOR HIM. He went through a legal process, was borderline named a rapist in the document, but bc of PRECEDENT his punishment is what it is. Then, the NFL puts itself on position to be the White Knight of the situation..... and puts him to debut against his former Team. I mean... I don't even know, absolute cynism doesn't sound strong enough

I stay out of most political stuff here, since hey, it's not my country, so I don't say this nearly enough time but... Only in America... Also Watson IS a rapist. "Pressuring women into oral sex isn't rape"... What the ****...

 

[Guts]

Yeah she clearly hated being grabbed by him....

"I ain't saying she a goldigger"

 

[Guts]

Not gonna lie man, this is actually sickening.

I don't recall ever seeing something like this... Maybe when Edmundo killed 2 guys drunk-driving s and was able to play while the judicial process happened (for most of it, anyway). But he was sorry, first of all

Watson is beyond all that. Guy is a straight up predator, using his enablers to work-around the system, AND THERE IS PEOPLE CHEERING FROM HIM. He went through a legal process, was borderline named a rapist in the document, but bc of PRECEDENT his punishment is what it is. Then, the NFL puts itself on position to be the White Knight of the situation..... and puts him to debut against his former Team. I mean... I don't even know, absolute cynism doesn't sound strong enough

I stay out of most political stuff here, since hey, it's not my country, so I don't say this nearly enough time but... Only in America... Also Watson IS a rapist. "Pressuring women into oral sex isn't rape"... What the ****...

He's a POS

 

[Stu Pidassle]

The whole Watson affair is a stain on the Browns and the NFL. He is completely insincere and can not even have the manners to offer up a meaning full apology or some contrition. I do not know how the Browns fans can root for that d-bag. I can assure you, I would not be rooting for the Pats if he was the QB instead of MAC.
11 games was not enough of a suspension and now that he has made a complete ass of himself after the agreement was reached yesterday, I think the agreement should be rescinded.
The fact that the Browns offered him over 200 million fully guaranteed is outrageous.

The Browns are pathetic and desperate. The legal issues distracted from the fact that he was a bad teammate. I would not want to invest this kind of capital in a player who already ruined one franchise by meddling in team management and refusing to play while under contract. Add the legal and moral issues to the mix and there is no way they will ever get a decent return on their investment.

 

[Guts]

The whole Watson affair is a stain on the Browns and the NFL. He is completely insincere and can not even have the manners to offer up a meaning full apology or some contrition. I do not know how the Browns fans can root for that d-bag. I can assure you, I would not be rooting for the Pats if he was the QB instead of MAC.
.

" You're not a real Patriots fan"

 

[Bill Lee]

Scathing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/08/18/deshaun-watson-press-conference-settlement/

Ends with:

Most assuredly Watson deserves a second chance, and nothing anyone does at the age of 26 should be the sum story of their life. But any thinking person must surely doubt whether a partial suspension that allows him to play the final third of the season, a fail-safe $230 million contract left almost untouched by penalty and a false apology and cleansing second-chance narrative calculated to wrap the story up with a bow will do the trick for the young man. Yet this was the convenient attitude also copped by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell in a statement: “Deshaun has committed to doing the hard work on himself.”
No, no he hasn’t. He hasn’t squarely apologized to — or even recognized — the women he abused. Clearly, they’re too far beneath him.

 

[Bill Lee]

More of the same:

Deshaun Watson still doesn’t get it, and the Browns don’t care if he does. He keeps acting like the wronged party, incapable of self-reflection, saying things he doesn’t mean and then admitting he doesn’t mean them, totally focused on advancing his own interests, and why shouldn’t he?

That’s what the Browns are paying him to do.

Browns owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam acted like not commenting on Watson’s conduct is some kind of principled position. Jimmy Haslam applauded himself for respecting the NFL’s disciplinary process as though he had a choice. He also said, “We as an organization realize how sensitive it is, how emotional it is,” which was infuriatingly condescending, the organizational equivalent of “we understand you’re mad.”

Dee Haslam kept saying “counseling is a process,” and Browns general manager Andrew Berry said, “The journey for personal growth, it’s a process.” Yeah, sure, but why did these processes have to start with a record-breaking fully guaranteed $230 million contract? Why did Jimmy Haslam say last week that Watson is “remorseful” when Watson made it very clear Thursday that he isn’t? How did the Haslams and Berry manage to stand up there when they clearly have no backbone?

The Browns are trying to rationalize their way to a championship, and they think we’re too gullible to see it.

Dee Haslam said, “We can talk about Deshaun or we can talk about the major issues the country faces” with sexual assault, as though it’s one or the other.

Five months have passed. The Browns look worse than ever. They are counting on Watson conducting himself with basic human decency when he returns, and also on him playing at an MVP level. But what if he doesn’t?

Deshaun Watson and the Browns look worse than ever - Sports Illustrated

The team has forfeited its right to take moral stands down the road, and shouldn’t count on its QB conducting himself with basic human decency.

www.si.com

 

[mgcolby]

I keep seeing 11 games mentioned as the suspension. But it's really 28 games total. He missed all of last year, I am sure that was taken into consideration.

Not saying it's long enough or whatever. Just pointing out that saying he was only suspended 11 games is misleading.

 

[Sicilian]

I keep seeing 11 games mentioned as the suspension. But it's really 28 games total. He missed all of last year, I am sure that was taken into consideration.

Not saying it's long enough or whatever. Just pointing out that saying he was only suspended 11 games is misleading.

I disagree. What happened last year is Deshaun Watson refused to play for the Texans (prior to any of this coming out). He wanted a new contract or a trade, so he refused to play. Then all this started coming out, and the Texans' feelings were mutual. If he'd forced the issue, and decided to try to come back and play, maybe they suspend him then, and maybe it's over with already, we can't know. But he got PAID all of last year, which under a suspension he would not.

So it's 11 games. Last year doesn't and shouldn't count at all.