Darrelle Revis Rumors and Speculation

[Joker]

jeezus krist...what is it, acid in the water around here?

OK...let's play "Gaa goony gee gee!!! Sign Revis for 16 million!!!"...if the argument is "we can get Revis to take less because we're the Patriots" you're just plain nuts. So, we sign him for 1/9th of our available cap. The team we need to get by is Denver with Manning. Best case scenario for our 16 million dollars is Revis locks down ONE outside receiver. OK so far??? I mean he's not going to lock down TWO recivers at once, right?

OK, so now we have 16 million locking down one WR in the Denver arsenal. Of course , because we just spent 1/9 of our cap on a cornerback, we have to man the defensive tackle position with Chris Jones, Siliga, maybe a shadow of his former self Wilfork, maybe a Kelly if he can stay healthy. This means, as the previous season has shown for an entire four quarters in the playoffs, that Manning never gets pressured in the pocket, never gets moved off his spot and has a whole arsenal of receiving options NOT covered by Revis to throw to AT WILL. You can try to argue this won't happen but the historical evidence is against you.

Seattle showed THE blueprint on how to completely shut down Manning. Move him off his spot. THIS requires inside A gap pressure. Jones and Siliga provide ZERO as already proven. Wilfork, before his achilles tear, was being single teamed from the start of the season and showed zero potential to push his man into the pocket and move the QB off his spot. Kelly has demonstrated this ability BUT certainly not recently. So, pay Revis 16 million and hope Kelly can play and entire season AND provide the pressure inside that's needed to move Manning around? THAT'S the game plan going into this season?

16 million to Revis and then chump change to some 2nd tier stiffs at center and O guard along with prayers, rainbows and unicorns with the D line. Great. Pats will have a winning record.The Gaa Gaa fantasy player adorers will be ecstatic with the weekly Revis reports. The Pats may get to the championship game again and....get eviscerated by Manning again as he stands there all 4 quarters in the pocket,untouched and unmoved, throwing at will to the other 4/5's of his receiving corps and putting up 500 yards a 5 TD's again.

I want another Super Bowl trophy. I want Brady to go out in style as he deserves. Sign Revis to this idiotic, preposterous contract and all you get is Groundhog Day...again.

 

[supafly]

Agreed, Joker.

We need to shore up the trenches. It shouldn't be nearly as difficult on the OL (in my opinion), but that DL needs some additional youth and talent.

Obviously, the secondary is always key as well, but it's hard to dedicate that much money on just one player such as Revis.

 

[PatsFan2]

Darrelle Revis is going to be age 29 by time the 2014 season starts plenty young for a CB in his prime and a Top one at that. Certain guys are worth the $$$$ I would rework some Deals cut a player or two to fit Mr. Revis in our Defeens would be already fixed. You get a chance to get a guy that Absolutely Shuts down one side of the Field...you go for it. If Denver gets him just put in the SB again...there is no way Denver should be able to afford him and we can't. BB for a good Defensive Coach hasn't fielded an Elite Defense in quite some time Darrelle Revis that...it's your move BB.

 

[TBR]

I'd easily take Revis over Talib

I like Talib a lot but he simply can't stay healthy! It's been so unbelievably frustrating to watch him be hurt and walk off the field in many important games.

To help afford Revis (in addition to him restructuring his deal) I'd even consider releasing Wilfork if there were question marks about his health for this upcoming season

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

my idiotic buddy wants nothing more then the the pats to get revis even for his $16 mill a year..i just laugh

 

[supafly]

...there is no way Denver should be able to afford him and we can't. BB for a good Defensive Coach hasn't fielded an Elite Defense in quite some time Darrelle Revis that...it's your move BB.

When have you ever known Bill Belichick to pay a CB that much money?

Revis is currently making 16 million dollars. What do you propose he should cut his salary to, so that it's an actual reality for him to play for N.England?

I haven't heard too much about DEN parting with whatever draft pick compensation + signing him to big bucks either, aside from the usual media created fabrication.

It's enticing on some level, but probably very unrealistic in my opinion. It seems as though DEN is going all in while Manning is still around, and they'll obviously pay once he's gone.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Darrelle Revis is going to be age 29 by time the 2014 season starts plenty young for a CB in his prime and a Top one at that. Certain guys are worth the $$$$ I would rework some Deals cut a player or two to fit Mr. Revis in our Defeens would be already fixed. You get a chance to get a guy that Absolutely Shuts down one side of the Field...you go for it. If Denver gets him just put in the SB again...there is no way Denver should be able to afford him and we can't. BB for a good Defensive Coach hasn't fielded an Elite Defense in quite some time Darrelle Revis that...it's your move BB.

no.no....noooooo

 

[Danger Zone]

Revis is currently making 16 million dollars. What do you propose he should cut his salary to, so that it's an actual reality for him to play for N.England?

Well, the "trying to be funny but still kind of relevant" answer is:

9 years ago, Belichick cut Ty Law because he (Ty Law) didn't want to restructure a 12.5 million dollar contract.

So... less than 12.5 million?

 

[supafly]

I'd easily take Revis over Talib

I like Talib a lot but he simply can't stay healthy! It's been so unbelievably frustrating to watch him be hurt and walk off the field in many important games.

To help afford Revis (in addition to him restructuring his deal) I'd even consider releasing Wilfork if there were question marks about his health for this upcoming season

Talib probably provides much better value at around 6-7 million vs Revis at 16 (or even 3/4's of that at 12 million), even if he misses 3 or 4 games every year.

It'd be nice if he didn't miss the most important game of the season, however.

 

[supafly]

Well, the "trying to be funny but still kind of relevant" answer is:

9 years ago, Belichick cut Ty Law because he didn't want to restructure a 12.5 million dollar contract.

So... less than 12.5 million?

Yes, someone brought up the Law situation yesterday. We should keep in mind that Law's long term 7 yr extension in '99 wasn't part of Belichick's doing, and that when the time came to offer him a new deal, it was something in the range of 6.5 million per season (which he turned down, as we're well aware).

It was a bit easier to absorb Law's cap hit at its highest, which I believe was 10.2 million in 2004, due to the fact that we weren't paying too many big money pacts at that time as well.

The only other player who has been anything close would be Asante Samuel on the franchise tag for the 2007 season. I think that was about 7 million or so.

It's hard to imagine Belichick choosing to pay a CB more than about 8 million tops in my opinion. I think he'd much rather pay an elite DE/DT/LB, but that's just my thinking. Another aspect to consider is what kind of draft pick compensation we'd have to give to Lovie Smith and Tampa Bay, on top of that big money deal.

 

[strngplyr]

Yes, someone brought up the Law situation yesterday. We should keep in mind that Law's long term 7 yr extension in '99 wasn't part of Belichick's doing, and that when the time came to offer him a new deal, it was something in the range of 6.5 million per season (which he turned down, as we're well aware).

It was a bit easier to absorb Law's cap hit at its highest, which I believe was 10.2 million in 2004, due to the fact that we weren't paying too many big money pacts at that time as well.

The only other player who has been anything close would be Asante Samuel on the franchise tag for the 2007 season. I think that was about 7 million or so.

It's hard to imagine Belichick choosing to pay a CB more than about 8 million tops in my opinion. I think he'd much rather pay an elite DE/DT/LB, but that's just my thinking. Another aspect to consider is what kind of draft pick compensation we'd have to give to Lovie Smith and Tampa Bay, on top of that big money deal.

We also can't forget Ty Law was dumped because of his salary when the salary cap was 53m below what it is today. 12m is easier to absorb today than it was 9 years ago, so while it's unlikely, it is doable.

 

[Danger Zone]

Yes, someone brought up the Law situation yesterday. We should keep in mind that Law's long term 7 yr extension in '99 wasn't part of Belichick's doing, and that when the time came to offer him a new deal, it was something in the range of 6.5 million per season (which he turned down, as we're well aware).

It was a bit easier to absorb Law's cap hit at its highest, which I believe was 10.2 million in 2004, due to the fact that we weren't paying too many big money pacts at that time as well.

The only other player who has been anything close would be Asante Samuel on the franchise tag for the 2007 season. I think that was about 7 million or so.

It's hard to imagine Belichick choosing to pay a CB more than about 8 million tops in my opinion. I think he'd much rather pay an elite DE/DT/LB, but that's just my thinking.

Absolutely (though I personally would hope that Belichick would sign Revis for 12 million given the chance).

And as I can tell that you gathered, I wasn't really pretending that the two are immediately comparable -it's just too easy and fun of a comparison not to make.

- Revis is 28, Law was 31.
- I don't think we knew how Law was going to come back from his broken foot at the time (?)
- And while I'm a huge Belichick homer, I'm guessing that the Belichick of 2014 is a humbler, different man/coach/gm than the Belichick of 2005 (who was just coming off his third Superbowl win).

We also can't forget Ty Law was dumped because of his salary when the salary cap was 53m below what it is today. 12m is easier to absorb today than it was 9 years ago, so while it's unlikely, it is doable.

-Salary Cap in 2005: 85.5 million (wow), Cap in 2014: 133 million.

And is my math right? Ty Laws salary in 2005 would have the same impact as a 20.5 million salary in 2014?

 

[supafly]

We also can't forget Ty Law was dumped because of his salary when the salary cap was 53m below what it is today. 12m is easier to absorb today than it was 9 years ago, so while it's unlikely, it is doable.

Sure, I'd agree with your last sentence 100%.

I think in the case of Ty Law, he had really shown that he could do pretty much anything asked in Belichick's secondary.

In the case of Revis, we know he's good, but he's still an outsider with no guarantee.

I think some are also forgetting about what we'd need to give up in terms of draft picks just to get him, only one year after Tampa Bay gave up a 1st and a 3rd/4th. I'd have to guess that they'd be hoping for a 1st rounder in return from whomever they traded with.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Talib wants top of the market dollar? Goodbye

 

[supafly]

Talib wants top of the market dollar? Goodbye

If true, I share your same feelings.

I still think something slightly below Grimes (a million or so per year) would be more than fair, all things considered.

Hopefully this report isn't 100% true.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Talib wants top of the market dollar? Goodbye

If true, I share your same feelings.

I still think something slightly below Grimes (a million or so per year) would be more than fair, all things considered.

Hopefully this report isn't 100% true.

I'll ask the same question I've asked other posters regarding Talib. If Talib wants 9-10 million a year (and in your opinions you would let him walk), who do you replace him with?

 

[Danger Zone]

If true, I share your same feelings.

I still think something slightly below Grimes (a million or so per year) would be more than fair, all things considered.

Hopefully this report isn't 100% true.

Is Grimes' contract 8 million a year or 12 million? I'm a little confused about the wording of guaranteed money.

 

[strngplyr]

Is Grimes' contract 8 million a year or 12 million? I'm a little confused about the wording of guaranteed money.

His yearly Average is 8m, the total deal is 4 years, 32 million, half of which is fully guaranteed.

The 12m number being thrown around this thread is talking about Ty Law and a proposed Revis price cut.

 

[Joker]

The Revis price cut....

 

[Danger Zone]

His yearly Average is 8m, the total deal is 4 years, 32 million, half of which is fully guaranteed.

The 12m number being thrown around this thread is talking about Ty Law and a proposed Revis price cut.

The 12m number I asked about was because I wasnt 100% sure if Grimes was going to earn 8 million a year for 4 years (16 million of which was guaranteed) or if he was going to earn 8 million a year + 16/4 million a year in guarantees on top of that (in Danger Zone math that comes out to 12 million)

I mean, I "knew" that guaranteed money isnt added to a Player's total salary.. but everyone's reaction made me wonder.

And still does a little bit, 8 million a year just isn't a game-breaker IMO. It's kind of what I was expecting his market value to be at (expert in salaries that I am*).


*Self-depreciating humor