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Sounds like revisionist history to me, weren't the Pats the 4-13 team last year?The Jets picked twice at #4 and #10 (and #26), the Patriots picked at #29. The Jets were 4-13 last year.
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Sounds like revisionist history to me, weren't the Pats the 4-13 team last year?The Jets picked twice at #4 and #10 (and #26), the Patriots picked at #29. The Jets were 4-13 last year.
And in reality, neither starting guard were that good last year. Glad Bill is improving the OLThe most idiotic take to come out of this draft pick has to be that we didn't need a guard and a guard won't help us. Do people realize we lost not one, but both starters?
Agreed. Of course competition matters to a certain degree, but Thornton could “potentially” be Williams at much better value.The thing I do credit the Pats for is just evaluating the players. It's funny how narratives emerge in the media. Tyquan Thornton and Jameson Williams have basically the same build - 6'2 and 180lbs. Yet many said Williams is a can't miss prospect and maybe the best receiver in the draft and Thornton too skinny and weak to make it in the NFL. I know that school and competition come into it and explain draft position but we've basically got Jameson Williams lite. That at least intrigues me.
The same with Cole Strange - has the athletic profile and tape that compares favourably with the best guards in the class but he's got knocked due to the level of competition. If he played in the SEC he would have been in competition for the first guard taken I suspect.
I was initially frustrated by the picks but am coming round on both. They at least fill obvious needs on the roster.
Williams did it on a national stage against the best competition. He’ll get a pass everytime so this is nothing new. What people don’t ask is if you reversed their situations and put Thornton in the Alabama lineup with Bryce Young and Williams with Shapen/Bohana how would the two perform? Probably both would still do well but I bet Thornton would have the numbers of a first rounder. Location and situations are always underestimated and this is why every year elite players emerge and shine in the NFL from the 2nd round all the way to udfa. Not saying Thornton will be elite or bust but you never know.The thing I do credit the Pats for is just evaluating the players. It's funny how narratives emerge in the media. Tyquan Thornton and Jameson Williams have basically the same build - 6'2 and 180lbs. Yet many said Williams is a can't miss prospect and maybe the best receiver in the draft and Thornton too skinny and weak to make it in the NFL. I know that school and competition come into it and explain draft position but we've basically got Jameson Williams lite. That at least intrigues me.
The same with Cole Strange - has the athletic profile and tape that compares favourably with the best guards in the class but he's got knocked due to the level of competition. If he played in the SEC he would have been in competition for the first guard taken I suspect.
I was initially frustrated by the picks but am coming round on both. They at least fill obvious needs on the roster.
Something tells me mcgrone and raekwon are players with huge upside. We could get a pleasant surprise there. Now add one fatty to stop the run game and get trey flowers and hicks. We are back in business.So I’ve been hearing negative comments about how the patriots are too slow and they need to get faster.
So in an offense that relies on agility of OL because they pull a lot, run a lot of screens, etc they drafted one of the fastest and most athletic Gs in years. They drafted the fastest WR in the draft and one of the top fastest DBs.
Yet the same people are complaining.
Btw, they also appear to have transformed the LB room over the last 2 years to a substantially faster group of players.
I have considered the whole draft... And it still ****ing Sucks.
Keeps getting Worse with every pick, in fact.
doG hates US all.
Cousin, I would vote you poster of the year with that quip!!!I have considered the whole draft... And it still ****ing Sucks.
Keeps getting Worse with every pick, in fact.
doG hates US all.
I think the difference between prognosticators and actual team’s scouts and scouting in general, is besides the film and obvious talents of the players, there’s more that goes into it. They are looking at, for instance, does the player fit OUR system and what WE are looking to do. I think that’s not in the prognosticators tool box.ok, I'm considering the draft....Bill the GM reached on a guard, receiver, and corner who all could've been had one or two rounds later....
The Jets are going to give the patriots trouble this year...they are going to wreck the patriots defense
That's a reason I was leery of drafting Georgia D players (other than Davis, who is a unicorn). They're all very good, of course, but how much better are guys like TIndall, Dean, and Walker with Davis/Wyatt/Walker up front...and or vice-versa?Williams did it on a national stage against the best competition. He’ll get a pass everytime so this is nothing new. What people don’t ask is if you reversed their situations and put Thornton in the Alabama lineup with Bryce Young and Williams with Shapen/Bohana how would the two perform? Probably both would still do well but I bet Thornton would have the numbers of a first rounder. Location and situations are always underestimated and this is why every year elite players emerge and shine in the NFL from the 2nd round all the way to udfa. Not saying Thornton will be elite or bust but you never know.