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[The Hurricane]

Third, Mongo's job is a FB, which is primarily to block. And it was irritating to see him getting all the extra carries and my guy not getting squat. With only 3 "backs" on the team who are active, there is no reason to have Tatupu on the depth chart when he's never around and there is no reason to not be spreading the back-up carries out. Particularly when my guy seems to break between 1 and 3 tackles each carry.

So its irritating seeing Mongo getting the extra carries, and its somehow better for a worse runningback to get them instead? Either way those carries aren't yours. Your job is ALSO as a fullback, which is primarily to block and as much as I'm sure you'd love to be the starting fullback and the back up running back, any play where Sammy Maroney is out that has a fullback in the formation you will STILL be the FB. There is no way to prioritize it the other way around. So unless you want to get benched, there is no point in arguing over runningback carries.

Fourth, before you post next time, please read all the messages on a topic before throwing in your two cents instead of just the last one.

I did. The general theme was you whining, getting shown up,conceding everything you were wrong about and then still whining. Nowhere in that whiny mess did you ever explain that your real reason for having a temper tantrum was that you wanted more carries, which is easily fixable using the gameplanning sliders I believe. You DO have a good fullback and I think it would be effective to give your guy more carries, but frankly this has nothing to do with who is getting the backup carries at runningback.

And lastly, the game is ever changing. Its ignorant to think that just because injuries aren't an issue now, that they won't be an issue at some point. They could get implemented in the next week for all we know. So, while the "running game is good" I'd rather make it better and have the pieces in place to be prepared for changes rather than have to scramble at the last minute and bring in an inferior back-up that hurts the team.

Bort and DD have been very upfront about what is currently being worked on and what isn't. Right now they are working on more advanced tactics for offense and defense. They have come out and said that injuries are lower on their list of priorities. I can guarantee they won't be implemented in a week, I'm almost certain they won't be implemented in this season, but if you want to make another runningback for depth, I'm all for it.

 

[DaBruinz]

So its irritating seeing Mongo getting the extra carries, and its somehow better for a worse runningback to get them instead? Either way those carries aren't yours. Your job is ALSO as a fullback, which is primarily to block and as much as I'm sure you'd love to be the starting fullback and the back up running back, any play where Sammy Maroney is out that has a fullback in the formation you will STILL be the FB. There is no way to prioritize it the other way around. So unless you want to get benched, there is no point in arguing over runningback carries.

I knew you'd be stupid enough to try and formulate a rebuttal that focused on the 3rd item and not the primary item of my post. Since it is lost on you (you've shown yourself to be clueless), my point was to get the carries spread out so that Maroney wasn't getting tired out as much and so that people on the team (mainly Mosi's owner) wouldn't want to leave for lack of playing time. Once it was pointed out that his lack of playing time resulted from his energy being so low, I had no issue with him not getting carries. In fact, I pointed out ways to help that player get more energy without it being detrimental to the team.

OH, btw, MY guy does block. VERY well. In fact, one almost every major running play, he's the one opening the hole for Maroney to get through.

Also, there is plenty ways to prioritize the depth chart, as I have pointed out and you glossed over. And you clearly don't understand the depth chart and how the energy substitutions work. As an owner of another team, I've had to learn how to finesse it to get players touches and not hurt the team.

I did. The general theme was you whining, getting shown up,conceding everything you were wrong about and then still whining. Nowhere in that whiny mess did you ever explain that your real reason for having a temper tantrum was that you wanted more carries, which is easily fixable using the gameplanning sliders I believe. You DO have a good fullback and I think it would be effective to give your guy more carries, but frankly this has nothing to do with who is getting the backup carries at runningback.

The general theme wasn't me whining. But I guess that is beyond someone as clueless as you. The general theme was getting more carries to other people on the team. Period. There was no temper tantrum. And it DID have everything to do with getting other people carries. But, you seem to know what I was thinking. At least, you are claiming you knew what I was thinking when I made my posts. OH WAIT. You clearly DIDN'T know what I was thinking because you imposed your own ignorant opinion onto it.

Bort and DD have been very upfront about what is currently being worked on and what isn't. Right now they are working on more advanced tactics for offense and defense. They have come out and said that injuries are lower on their list of priorities. I can guarantee they won't be implemented in a week, I'm almost certain they won't be implemented in this season, but if you want to make another runningback for depth, I'm all for it.

Yes, Bort and DD have been upfront. Well, except when they were implementing the "expected pricing" that got implemented. OH, and the game logs that were implemented. Game logs were a minor item. Yet they got implemented recently and without much notice.

 

[tobias funke]

Honestly I don't really understand the hostility. What purpose is it serving?

Bruinz, you obviously don't want to admit that your original post reeked of whining and a bad attitude, even though more than one person has pointed it out. You disagree, but if you read it over again with an open mind, you might notice why.

Honestly, can we just let this die? Any salient points that were made over the last two pages are getting lost in between paragraphs of ******ed bickering over a video game in which we are WINNING.

 

[DaBruinz]

I was going to stay out of this, but the situation seems to be heading downhill...

Since my character is on special teams, the only time he sees the field with the offense is filling in as a backup RB.

That said, I think the best solution is to just give the FB position a few more carries if possible. That should get DaBruinz the additional carries he wants. Whatever touches I get are OK by me.

Maybe we want to put my guy on one of the special teams units in place of your guy so that you can get time at FB as well.. I have no issue with that.

The whole premise of my initial post was about getting people playing time and offering some suggestions on how to do it.

Nothing more. Nothing less. Who starts and who doesn't makes no difference when what matters is the number of plays you get.

This wasn't meant to be "drama." This was meant to be a constructive conversation on how to help improve the team while keeping everyone happy. Some people took it out of context and tried to make into something it wasn't. Some people think it was making a big deal out of only winning by 9 points. It wasn't. Some people erroneously think it was about championing some cause for a person who isn't active alot. It wasn't.

It was about trying to make sure we don't lose people from the team. I never knew that wanting to keep people on the team could be so divisive.

 

[DaBruinz]

Honestly I don't really understand the hostility. What purpose is it serving?

Bruinz, you obviously don't want to admit that your original post reeked of whining and a bad attitude, even though more than one person has pointed it out. You disagree, but if you read it over again with an open mind, you might notice why.

Honestly, can we just let this die? Any salient points that were made over the last two pages are getting lost in between paragraphs of ******ed bickering over a video game in which we are WINNING.

Tobias -
My original post on the subject was post 676.

Can we put Tatupu as the #2 RB and then also put in both Mongo and Paulin as back-ups at RB. As much as I love opening up holes for every rushing TD we had, I'd like to score one myself..

That looks more like a request to me. Maybe you guys just missed that.

Also, its pretty dumb of people to try and assume what I was thinking when I wrote my post. There was no bad attitude about. It was about trying to get other people touches. Period. Make all the assumptions you want, it won't change what I know to be the truth.

 

[tobias funke]

Actually I was referring to the post you put in both forums:

Ok. I think its really unfair that Tatupu is not getting any touches where as Mongo is. Hell, Mongo is getting more touches than my player.

If you want Mongo to get running time, put him 3rd behind Maroney and Tatupu. Or increase the running plays done by the fullbacks. You can also get Mongo playing time behind my player by changing the advanced energy settings to something like SUb at 75 and return at 80. That pulls the starter out sooner and gets the back-up more snaps.

But, seriously, its ridiculous that Tatupu has gotten only 6 carries when he's the quickest RB we have (as far as I can tell since Fnord doesn't have Maroney's attribs visible )

[bI'm imploring some tactics changes.. I don't know where we are at % wise from pass to run, but it looks like 65/35 pass to run. Which seems to be TOO MUCH.[/b]

Also, if I can make the suggestion, the QBs should not have favorites set. There was one series where the Back-up went to Welker with 6 straight passes. Only 2 of them were completed. That's an issue. And we ended up missing a FG on that series.

 

[DaBruinz]

Actually I was referring to the post you put in both forums:

My post in both forums came after my original one was ignored in here. A reply to that one with someone saying, "Hey, Tatupu's been inactive" or "Hey Tatupu's really low on energy" would have preempted all of this. Since we're supposed to be a team, someone mentioning that would have been nice...

Saying that its unfair for Tatupu to get less carries than Mongo is whining? Calling it ridiculous is a bad attitude?

Its more like pointing out a discrepancy. Yes, I was corrected on why there was the discrepancy. And I accepted that. And even offered to help by making another HB to help the team since Mosi doesn't seem to be committed to helping the team on a regular basis.

 

[tobias funke]

Saying that its unfair for Tatupu to get less carries than Mongo is whining? Calling it ridiculous is a bad attitude?

Yes, using the words 'unfair' and 'ridiculous' in a "things must change" post immediately after a win definitely reeks of an attitude that is not good.

You are basically the only one who disagrees.

You've also made half a dozen snide comments about our "ownership and management", even though it's just a few guys who are also posting in this thread.

The only reason you've had to spend 2 pages defending yourself and explaining 'what you meant' is specifically because of this attitude that you apparently do not believe exists.

 

[fnordcircle]

I knew you'd be stupid enough

you've shown yourself to be clueless

You're actually insulting people over a web-based video game?

I mean I don't care if you want to tell me I don't know how to run a team or complain about the depth chart or whatever, but you're calling someone stupid over a video game?

 

[apple strudel]

You're actually insulting people over a web-based video game?

I mean I don't care if you want to tell me I don't know how to run a team or complain about the depth chart or whatever, but you're calling someone stupid over a video game?

Quoted for truth.

This thread has taken a turn for the worse, let's get it back on track.

My tight end had some issue with stamina, so I ended up bumping him to about 37 at level 12, and that, in conjunctionwith him getting pulled off special teams for now (thanks admins!) seems to have helped. I expect I'll put another 3 skill points into stamina the next time he levels up, but I've found that the combination of special teams and starting can really drain a tight end's stamina. Is this true for all positions? Other posters said they really didn't have any problems, even playing on hard. Even after all that, I'll only be back to 89 before the start of next game, so I might have to play on normal intensity for a game. Any objections to that?

Edit: just noticed I'm not starting the next game, which should help get me back to 100%. Event though we don't have level 15/16 type players at tight end (more like 12/13), we do have good depth.

 

[The Hurricane]

This thread has taken a turn for the worse, let's get it back on track.

Agreed. I'm content to leave it at this. I certainly won't be doing any more instigating.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yes, using the words 'unfair' and 'ridiculous' in a "things must change" post immediately after a win definitely reeks of an attitude that is not good.

My 2nd post wasn't in a "Things must change" post. Maybe that's the problem. I said it was unfair that Tatupu wasn't getting more carries, but did so without knowing that his energy was so low. And I said it was ridiculous in the same context. Nothing in that post says things MUST change, unless you misunderstand the meaning of the word IMPLORE. Implore is just another word for asking. Its not synonymous with demand.

You are basically the only one who disagrees.

You've also made half a dozen snide comments about our "ownership and management", even though it's just a few guys who are also posting in this thread.

The only reason you've had to spend 2 pages defending yourself and explaining 'what you meant' is specifically because of this attitude that you apparently do not believe exists.

What do you consider "snide"?

My saying "Heck, I'm surprised we haven't looked at that already, to be honest."

Or My saying: " Its also something I mentioned after the previous game as well, but people glossed over it."

Or do you mean my saying this: 'Also, with the energy being low, while indicative of an irresponsible person who has the player, also signals that pre-emptive measures weren't taken by the management to ensure that he didn't get that low"

How are those snide? Seriously. The last one only points out that it wasn't addressed sooner. I didn't say that Fnord was dump or stupid or ignorant. Nor did I imply such about any of the other GMs. As an owner of another team, I have the responsibility to my players to try and get them all playing time so they will want to stay with the team. I know I can't please everyone, but I do try my best while keeping in mind that I also have to do what is best for the team.

It really seems to me that you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. You did it in post 707 when you made the comments about my supposedly wanting "crazy tactics changes" and I had to point out to you that wasn't the case in the least.

 

[jays52]

Can we puhleaze let it die, fellas? No one is trying to be an e-ahole, no one is trying to be an e-Poston, no one is making it rain on e-ho's. We're all competitive, we get it. But at the end of the day, it's a fuggin internet game. Let's all listen to some mellow music, relax and enjoy the fact that it's a sunny day and Arlen Specter will in all likelyhood die before we do.

 

[tobias funke]

Seriously, this thread is supposed to be my haven from the rest of the forum ******ation abound in the offseason. Let's move on.

 

[apple strudel]

Oh, the drama.

 

[fnordcircle]

One of the things I'm thinking about toying with for positions where we have 2 players within a level or 2 within each other is a stamina maintenance method which supposedly will allow for a 50/50 sharing of the load.

TE is one of those places where our guys are really close in level, for example, and it'd be nice to get a more Patriot-like distribution of snaps.

Thoughts?

 

[BradyFTW!]

One of the things I'm thinking about toying with for positions where we have 2 players within a level or 2 within each other is a stamina maintenance method which supposedly will allow for a 50/50 sharing of the load.

TE is one of those places where our guys are really close in level, for example, and it'd be nice to get a more Patriot-like distribution of snaps.

Thoughts?

All for it. Personally, I'm of the mindset that anyone who wants more steps should just flex up and get to a level where you can be the undisputed starter. If you're not willing to do that, then you're implicitly giving the okay to share plays. Frankly, even if you do flex up, you should still be fine with it.

 

[tobias funke]

At this point I don't care how many plays I am getting as long as we win the game. That's what it's about to me. Besides, XP sucks at level 16.

 

[Gon_Trevil]

Three things:

1. Just thought I'd post a friendly reminder to everyone that it's ok for your teammates to see your attributes so we can discuss builds. Help the team and yourselves at the same time.

2. I like what we're doing with tomorrow's game. We just turned a dull matchup into something definitely worth some attention. I have no idea what to expect. At all.

3. On the subject of closing the gap of play distribution between certain backups and certain starters... my backup also backs up the other LB positions, and already ends up getting as much playing time as I do (the difference between us in the last game was 3 plays).

I don't see how you can close that gap any further

LOLBs will get fewer plays than the other LBs because they are excluded in passing downs and that's just the way the system works. Check random box scores from our opponents and you will see the LOLB getting about 45 plays while the MLB and ROLB get upwards of 60.

Anyway, my guy already gets the least amount of playing time out of all starters, so I'm asking that you please don't reduce it any further.

 

[apple strudel]

One of the things I'm thinking about toying with for positions where we have 2 players within a level or 2 within each other is a stamina maintenance method which supposedly will allow for a 50/50 sharing of the load.

TE is one of those places where our guys are really close in level, for example, and it'd be nice to get a more Patriot-like distribution of snaps.

Thoughts?

As one of those TEs, I think it's a great idea to split snaps, especially considering that Smug Deed and Benjamin Walter complement each other pretty well. Deed has better receiving, and Walter has better blocking. And Walter has had problems with stamina recently, especially when getting starting snaps AND playing special teams.

Even when I don't start, I get plenty of snaps. Very happy about that!

Is there a way to get get certain players in certain situations? E.g., on non-passing to TE plays, get the blocker in there, and get the better receiver in there where he's the primary/secondary target?