College OT rules coming to NFL?

[Todd Bradley]

Teams have an "unfair" advantage when they play at home. Clearly, we need to have all games played at neutral sites, right?

One thing has zero to do with the other.

Making an overtime period a neutral environment where both teams get the chance to possess the ball has nothing to do with which stadium the game is played in.

And each team plays half their games at home and half on the road. So going by your point, there's equality in that regard, but not in an overtime...

 

[Deus Irae]

One thing has zero to do with the other. Bad analogy.

That's incorrect. Game fairness is involved in both.

Making an overtime period a neutral environment where both teams get the chance to possess the ball has nothing to do with which stadium the games is played in.

Again, game fairness is involved in both.

And each team plays half their games at home and half on the road.

That's not game fairness. It's not even schedule fairness. It's not fair that, just an example, a team might play the Patriots on the road and the Texans at home, as the division winners. Furthermore, by playing home and away games, every single game is, theoretically, unfair to the visiting team (Note: I say theoretically because there are some places where home team support sometimes gets overwhelmed by some visiting team support).

So going by your point, there's equality in that regard, but not in an overtime period.

Absolutely incorrect.

 

[ivanvamp]

Only an idiot would think that was my "whole point", since the inability to find fairness is the most consistent part of my position on all aspects of the OT issue. Getting the ball first is unfair. The first team needing to score a TD to win, while the second can win with a FG, is unfair. The down discrepancy (3 v. 4) is unfair. A team coming off a short week would be at a comparative disadvantage, and that would be unfair. It's all unfair, and it can't be made fair, but the old way was the quickest, and was a way where the advantage was based purely on an objective issue (coin flip) that did nothing to change the actual game. THAT'S the point.

So, again, you're doubling down on the dishonesty, which is why we're done.

You're gonna have to work a lot harder than this to keep up, Deus.

 

[1960Pats]

Link:
The NFL Competition Committee | NFL Football Operations

Take a look at who the chairman of the competition committee is. See anything interesting?

How about the overload of AFCN reps with the Ratbirds, Squeelers and Bungles all on the committee?

 

[Todd Bradley]

That's incorrect. Game fairness is involved in both.



Again, game fairness is involved in both.



That's not game fairness. It's not even schedule fairness. It's not fair that, just an example, a team might play the Patriots on the road and the Texans at home, as the division winners. Furthermore, by playing home and away games, every single game is, theoretically, unfair to the visiting team (Note: I say theoretically because there are some places where home team support sometimes gets overwhelmed by some visiting team support).



Absolutely incorrect.

You're analogy as a whole is flawed.

Teams play games at home and on the road. That's the nature of every sport, at every level.
You play a division winner at home, sometimes for three season, then sometimes on the road for three seasons. You play different divisions, one season at home, the next time on the road. You play eight games at home. You play eight games on the road. You have the better record, you play at home in the playoffs. That's equality. That's fairness.

Where the game is played is irrelevant to how a game is decided. The fact that a coin flip can end a season when through 4 quarters the result has been a stalemate is clearly an unfair advantage to the team that just lost a blind game of chance.

In all four major sports, overtime is a fair advantage to both teams. Hockey/Soccer, both teams gain a chance at a shootout, in Basketball/Baseball/Playoff Hockey you play till you win and both teams get a chance to go on offense and defense.

There's no reason that in Football, actually it's just the NFL, one team is given the ball on a coin flip and with a quick kickoff return touchdown is able to end the game without the other team even given a chance to try their hand.

That's one sided. Clearly not fair odds when both teams ended regulation play in a stalemate.

 

[Deus Irae]

You're analogy as a whole is flawed.

No, it's not. I'm pointing out more league wide versions of the "Unfair!" problem. That doesn't make them flawed analogies.

Teams play games at home and on the road. That's the nature of every sport.

Yes, every sport has that inherent bit of unfairness built into their system.

You play a division winner at home, sometimes for three season, then sometimes on the road for three seasons. You play different divisions, one season at home, the next time on the road. You play eight games at home. You play eight games on the road. You have the better record, you play at home in the playoffs. That's equality. That's fairness.

No, that's not fairness. You calling it fairness is the disconnect, though, so we know where the issue is, and don't need to continue with it.

In all four major sports, overtime is a fair advantage to both teams.

The current NFL overtime format is clearly not "fair". That's what this thread is about.

There's no reason that in Football, actually just the NFL, one team is giving the ball on a coin flip and with a quick kickoff return touchdown is able to end the game.

Of course there is a reason. It's an extension of the game as a whole.

• Baseball: Away team bats first, both to start games and in extra innings
• Hockey: Faceoff starts game and overtime
• Basketball: Jump ball starts game and overtime
• NFL: Coin flip determines who gets to decide whether or not to take the ball first, both to start the game and in overtime

That's one sided. Clearly not fair odds when both teams ended regulation play in a stalemate.

Again, the disconnect is with your use of fair/unfair.

 

[brdmaverick]

Me too, it's like they play football for 60 minutes and then finish with a gimmick.

It would be like if NBA overtimes were dunk contests.

Or if a soccer match ended in penalty kicks...........oh wait.

Just kidding, I know what you are going, I don't like the soccer gimmick and nor do I like the college OT gimmick.

 

[1960Pats]

The old sudden death rules were fine. If a team allows the other to score in any way on the opening drive, including the kickoff, they deserve to lose.

 

[Todd Bradley]

No, it's not. I'm pointing out more league wide versions of the "Unfair!" problem. That doesn't make them flawed analogies.

Yes it is. Home and away has nothing to do with current overtime rules being unfair.

But please, keep patting yourself on the back if you must...

Yes, every sport has that inherent bit of unfairness built into their system.

Uh yes, thanks.

No, that's not fairness. You calling it fairness is the disconnect, though, so we know where the issue is, and don't need to continue with it.

So what are you arguing about?

The current NFL overtime format is clearly not "fair". That's what this thread is about.

Huh??? So you're agreeing with me?

So what's the point of your responses?

Ugh forget it...

Of course there is a reason. It's an extension of the game as a whole.

• Baseball: Away team bats first, both to start games and in extra innings
• Hockey: Faceoff starts game and overtime
• Basketball: Jump ball starts game and overtime
• NFL: Coin flip determines who gets to decide whether or not to take the ball first, both to start the game and in overtime

Baseball both teams automatically bat. NFL both teams don't automatically go on offense.

A face off in Hockey means little when the period is run for a certain period of time. Overtime is run as a fourth period. You can't compare to the NFL till you start talking penalty shots.

And a faceoff is a competitive play in relation to the sport. A coin toss clearly isn't.

A jump ball in Basketball, again see Hockey.


Ugh, I can't go back and forth with you anymore.... I don't even know what point you're trying to convey, it seems you don't either....

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes it is. Home and away has nothing to do with current overtime rules being unfair.

But please, keep patting yourself on the back if you must...

It has to do with fairness of play in the game, which is what the gripe is about the overtime. This isn't tough stuff.

Baseball both teams automatically bat. NFL both teams don't automatically go on offense.

A face off in Hockey means little when the period is run for a certain period of time. Overtime is run as a fourth period. You can't compare to the NFL till you start talking penalty shots.

And a faceoff is a competitive play in relation to the sport. A coin toss clearly isn't.

A jump ball in Basketball, again see Hockey.


Ugh, I can't go back and forth with you anymore.... I don't even know what point you're trying to convey, it seems you don't either....

Given that you just tried to start an argument over how the sports start their overtimes as some distinction from football, when all I was doing was pointing out, in response to your earlier post, that all 4 of the "major" sports begin their overtimes the same way that they begin their games (hence "extension of the game as a whole") yes, you should step away.

 

[Pessimistic Pete]

No. No. No. No.

The college overtime system is the most garbage/hokey thing around

NO.

STOP RUINING THE ****ING LEAGUE.