Browns' Barkevious Mingo traded to Patriots

[RobertWeathers]

Bostic was traded for a 6th round pick.....not a 5th.



"The New England Patriots acquired linebacker Jonathan Bostic from theChicago Bears for a 2016 6th round pick. One year later, the Patriots have sent Bostic to the Detroit Lions for a conditional 2017 7th round pick."

Here's why the Patriots sent LB Bostic to Detroit

Good catch. My bad.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

Good catch. My bad.

Not a "big" bad...but you're welcome.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not a "big" bad...but you're welcome.

Unlike the NFL Office, you should always be accountable for spreading misinformation

 

[50-yard-line]

I like the trade - what's not to like?

He has a better chance of making a contribution on this team this season and next more than a 5th round pick for next year has.

If he contributes at all this year, then goes his merry way, we'll probably get that pick back, too.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I like the trade - what's not to like?

He has a better chance of making a contribution on this team this season and next more than a 5th round pick for next year has.

If he contributes at all this year, then goes his merry way, we'll probably get that pick back, too.

That is absolutely the way to look at it.

Historically the team's 5th round picks have either been traded away or they have drafted STers and backups.

In 2015 they received a 6th for Castillo and a 7th for Ayers. If Mingo bursts on the scene and gets good money in FA then it could wind up being a wash.

With that said depending what the market is, they might try and keep him as the Pats have a number of FAs next year.

 

[50-yard-line]

That is absolutely the way to look at it.

Historically the team's 5th round picks have either been traded away or they have drafted STers and backups.

In 2015 they received a 6th for Castillo and a 7th for Ayers. If Mingo bursts on the scene and gets good money in FA then it could wind up being a wash.

With that said depending what the market is, they might try and keep him as the Pats have a number of FAs next year.

I look at it this way, too: if you went into next year's draft and Mingo was there at the end of the 5th round (with three year's experience in the NFL already), would you take him or some mediocre, to date, college talent?

Of course you'd take him.

The only thing the 5th has over him would be years of control, but right now, I'm more concerned about getting Brady another ring.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I look at it this way, too: if you went into next year's draft and Mingo was there at the end of the 5th round (with three year's experience in the NFL already), would you take him or some mediocre, to date, college talent?

Of course you'd take him.

The only thing the 5th has over him would be years of control, but right now, I'm more concerned about getting Brady another ring.

Right.

He may not pan out but I don't see the logic in saying the Pats gave up too much to get Mingo.

 

[Wheelman]

we could sure use something like this last year ...



might be fun watching taylor wilson rg3 ... run

Yeah, I guess we could have used him for when teabagger ran for that first down. What a freaking disgrace we let that happen!

 

[patfanken]

The good thing about Mingo is that by all accounts he's a hard worker, team player, willing to play special teams, and move around so he can contribute. Attitude and effort weren't the problem. Hopefully the Patriots can squeeze the talent out of him by putting him in a role to succeed, because God knows the Browns can't do that for anyone. I'm not expecting much but this isn't like Jonathan Sullivan or other 1st round bust acquisitions who busted due to attitude.

Well if tbhis is true PT, then my expectations about this deal just rose 100%. If the kid is willing to do the work that is required to be a Patriots player, then there is no reason why this shouldn't work. WHAT are the Pats known for, over the better part of the last 2 decades? Players who work at it, come here and get better. That's what It is a stable environment. It is a place where the staff puts into positions that best accentuate the skills you DO have, rather than try and make you do things you are unable to do.

More and more this kid looks like he has been a victim of a revolving door of different systems in Cleveland. Maybe Hugh Jackson will change that, but Mingo isn't one of his guys and they decided why waste the reps on someone who will likely be gone next year anyways. Plus they have boatloads of draft picks they will need to find places for. It's seems to have been a case of Mingo being asked to do different things by different staffs and never having the time to learn anything thing well, with some injuries hampering his development as well. Now he walks into a situation that is the polar opposite. There isn't a more stable teaching situation in the league.

Immediately the thing that I see happening is that the kid fills a big role on special teams. I've read in a couple of places he's had some success in that area. After that I believe he can (over time) carve an ever increasing role as a situation rusher, or situational cover LB, whatever they thing he can do the best.

Bottom Line - regardless of the ultimate success of this trade, from career special teamer right up to all pro DE/OLB, the Pats made their team more athletic and deeper all for the cost of a draft pick that will likely be in the 170's (after all the 3rd and 4th round comp picks are added in)

Thanks for the info PT, I hope it turns out to be the facts.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Right.

He may not pan out but I don't see the logic in saying the Pats gave up too much to get Mingo.

I agree, Belichick loves to pick up former high picks who have busted because the talent is there and the payoff big if they can get the play out of them. Sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesn't but the risk is low imo. Hope he pans out.

 

[long distance]

There isn't a more stable teaching situation in the league.

The importance of that is huge part of NE success. And the players success here as well.

@ST
It’s also worth mentioning that Mingo played a whopping 84 percent of Cleveland’s special teams snaps last season, something that clearly played a role in New England’s decision to acquire him.

 

[Danger Zone]

Belichick would give a 5th in a heartbeat for a high upside player he can use on 84% of ST snaps

 

[Urgent]

Watch what they do, not what they say.
Since April they have added;
Ramon Humber 5-10.6 224
Elandon Roberts 5-11.3 234
Kamu Grugier Hill 6-2.1 208

Now Mingo who reportedly played LB at 220 last season.

At the same time added size to DT with Knighton and release of Easley.

Big interior run stuffing tackles surrounded by versatile small coverage linebackers.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Actually if you look at BB draft history, he has used the 5th round for almost exclusively special teams, Cardona, Slater, and Mesko were all 5th round selections. In most years BB trades out of the 5th round. The only two 5th round draft choices I can think of in the BB era that turned out to be starters are Koppen (easily the best 5th round pick in the BB era) and Cannon (who had 1st-2nd round talent but dropped because he was diagnoised with lymthnoma at the combine).

So as I said before, with the league stealing 2 first round draft picks and the Pats drafting at the bottom of every round for the last 15 years, trades like this one are how BB keeps a superior team on the field. Is Mingo going to work out? who knows, but taking a shot at a 25 year old first round talent, by sending away what will end up being a late 5th round pick is a no brainer.

 

[IllegalContact]

think Akeem Ayers

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Jonathan Cooper(#5) and now Mingo(#6)... I thought that BB was the worsest evaluator of talent.

Draft someone #5 or #6 overall, and you're a genius until they don't set the league on fire.

Pick them up for a fifth rounder or whatever, and you're an idiot until they crack the 53.

I dunno sounds like low buy-in, much lower bar...

 

[RobertWeathers]

Anyone who understands the stock market and basic investing should have a complete understanding of what BB is doing.

Undervalued assets in distress that can be picked up for rock-bottom prices are worth the risk every time.

Genius.

 

[Deus Irae]

Watch what they do, not what they say.
Since April they have added;
Ramon Humber 5-10.6 224
Elandon Roberts 5-11.3 234
Kamu Grugier Hill 6-2.1 208

Now Mingo who reportedly played LB at 220 last season.

At the same time added size to DT with Knighton and release of Easley.

Big interior run stuffing tackles surrounded by versatile small coverage linebackers.

Mingo has shown zero ability to cover.

 

[long distance]

Mingo has shown zero ability to cover.

Don't worry. He'll do the job that he can here.

 

[Deus Irae]

Don't worry. He'll do the job that he can here.

I'm not worried. He's a gravy move. I'm just not homergoggles enough to fool myself into thinking he's a guaranteed steal for N.E..