Browns' Barkevious Mingo traded to Patriots

[Deus Irae]

I have very little confidence that CLE knew what they hell they were doing with him.

Be better than that. 7 sacks in 3 seasons isn't all about misuse.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Be better than that.

FO turnover. Coaching turnover. Different systems. Different schemes. Ownership can't get its head out of its ass.

As of right now Mingo is a major bust but that franchise has not done the kid any favors.

I think he does have decent pass rush skills. What I also think is that they totally have been screwing with his development.

 

[Deus Irae]

FO turnover. Coaching turnover. Different systems. Different schemes. Ownership can't get its head out of its ass.

As of right now Mingo is a major bust but that franchise has not done the kid any favors.

I think he does have decent pass rush skills. What I also think is that they totally have been screwing with his development.

Yet, somehow, other players in Cleveland have been able to perform at a higher level. How is that possible?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yet, somehow, other players in Cleveland have been able to perform at a higher level. How is that possible?

Ask Jabaal Sheard.

Sometimes orgs and players don't fit each other.

 

[Rob0729]

They do have a 4th next year. Acquired it and a 2016 7th rounder (used on Devin Lucien) from the Seahawks for a 2016 5th rounder and a 2016 7th rounder. The Patriots get to retain the worse of the 4th round picks, their own or Seattle's.

I forgot about that. Thanks!

 

[Deus Irae]

Ask Jabaal Sheard.

Sometimes orgs and players don't fit each other.

Sheard sack totals/games:

8.5/16
7/16
5.5/13
2/5
8/13

Where's the outrageously unbelievable jump? It's all in understandable and reasonable difference ratios.

 

[Ring 6]

What information do you have that trumps on field evidence?

The fact that in the game he played he was playing LB? The on field evidence trumps your belief. McClellin worked at DE early in camp, just like Nink worked at LB, but its not where he will play.
McClellin could see reps with his hand down in sub.
I guess we will see.
Not sure how you expect that we will use Freeny in the 43 so that McClellin can be on the bench behind Nink and Sheard.

 

[borisman]

Oh man, if someone could photo shop this with his face on it and a football helmet on the kid. It could read " The Mingo ate your QB"

 

[Ring 6]

Seems like Shea McClellin isn't working out so well as the 3rd LB. Ninko was getting more reps at this position than Shea, most likely out of necessity. Can't fault Ninko or the coaching staff for flexing his position versatility, but its hard to imagine him dropping back into coverage effectively. Plus, the injuries to him and Freeney might be lingering longer than expected.

Nothing backs this up. Nink was playing LB early in camp because he would play there in an emergency. BB has done that often.

 

[bbobbo]

Yet, somehow, other players in Cleveland have been able to perform at a higher level. How is that possible?

injuries may have something to do with it. in 2014, he suffered a torn labrum in the opening game versus pittsburgh, but he only missed one game. he had surgery to repair it after the season was over. last year, he had surgery to repair a torn meniscus one month before the season started, yet he didn't miss a single game. probably safe to say he wasn't playing fully healthy.

 

[JMC00]

Be better than that. 7 sacks in 3 seasons isn't all about misuse.

How is he suppose to get sacks when they had him in coverage last year?

 

[Deus Irae]

injuries may have something to do with it. in 2014, he suffered a torn labrum in the opening game versus pittsburgh, but he only missed one game. last year, he had surgery to repair a torn meniscus one month before the season started, yet he didn't miss a single game. probably safe to say he wasn't playing fully healthy.

I've got nothing against the trade. I just don't get the whole "BB will have him playing like the next JJ Watts" vibe regarding a guy who's been a bust elsewhere, just because that elsewhere is Cleveland. It's not as if the Patriots have a list of thousands of pass rushers who've been full time starters elsewhere, yet never done well before getting to New England, and who turned into monsters once BB got his hands on them.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I'm sure Jabaal Sheard provided some insight into him as a player and person

 

[RobertWeathers]

Sheard sack totals/games:

8.5/16
7/16
5.5/13
2/5
8/13

Where's the outrageously unbelievable jump? It's all in understandable and reasonable difference ratios.

In 2014 and and 2013 he spent more time in coverage, was hurt and not getting after the QB.

Just like Mingo.

To your point, unlike Mingo the difference here is that Sheard at least produced at this level.

With that said Paul Kruger didnt do **** last year either when the previous year he did pretty well b/c the moved him around.

That whole organization needs Prozac. They can't stick to doing what works.

 

[Danger Zone]

I get that hope in BB is anathema to some, but rhetoric aside, I haven't seen anything that approaches a JJ Watt "vibe" just some faith that BB can coach him up.

 

[Gronkowski123]

im sure belichick will trade for clowney next summer!!

 

[Deus Irae]

In 2014 and and 2013 he spent more time in coverage, was hurt and not getting after the QB.

Just like Mingo.

To your point, unlike Mingo the difference here is that Sheard at least produced at this level.

With that said Paul Kruger didnt do **** last year either when the previous year he did pretty well.

That whole organization needs Prozac

5.5/13 is well in line with 7/16
8/13 would have led to a career high in 16, but doesn't project to any monster improvement. It would still leave him at 10/16 (well, 9.8, but we'd round up).

Kruger, meanwhile, has racked up more sacks in Cleveland than he had in his last 3 years in Baltimore, even if you adjust 2010 and 2012 up for 16 games.

Again, I'm not saying that it's not possible for Mingo to succeed in New England after struggling in Cleveland. I'm just saying that being in Cleveland (or any specific team) should not be viewed as some sort of "Get out of sucking, free" card.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Be better than that. 7 sacks in 3 seasons isn't all about misuse.

I do agree with you on this one, but just to add some nuance, the position change was fairly significant. They moved Mingo from an edge player his rookie year, where he had 5 sacks while dealing with injuries, to a LB position where he almost exclusively dropped into coverage. It doesn't seem like he actually had many opportunities to show off his pass rush skills, regardless of how mediocre they've been.

He's been playing at 225, and is now up closer to 250. I could see him playing a role similar to Akeem Ayers or Mark Anderson. I do not think he'll set the world on fire, but he is a very good athlete who is going from a dysfunctional club to a well-run (but certainly not infallible) football machine. I'm tentatively hopeful that he may produce, but I'm not relying on him by any stretch of the imagination. We'll see how it shakes out.

 

[ashley]

I think it's a typical Bill move, high reward for a relatively low risk. I like it, hopefully he has a great year for us!!!!!

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

Typical BB trade. Low risk , high reward on a player he's done extensive homework on.