Brady in the 2015 MVP Race

[RobertWeathers]

I'd love to see TB12 win but what Cam Newton has done this year has been outstanding. If he won it would be well deserved and earned. Same goes for Brady.

Neither choice would be the wrong one.

 

[ErniesPinkStripes]

I'd love to see TB12 win but what Cam Newton has done this year has been outstanding. If he won it would be well deserved and earned. Same goes for Brady.

Neither choice would be the wrong one.

Agreed, although I would choose Brady, I can't be too mad if Newton wins - I think he wrapped it up yesterday.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Agreed, although I would choose Brady, I can't be too mad if Newton wins - I think he wrapped it up yesterday.

If TB12 had Lewis and JE11 100% healthy I would agree. Unfortunately stockpiling stats helps in these things.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I don't always agree with Peter King, but in today's MMQB he states the truth: in any other season, Brady's performance would have him on his way to his third MVP, but this year it belongs to Cam Newton.

 

[ErniesPinkStripes]

If TB12 had Lewis and JE11 100% healthy I would agree. Unfortunately stockpiling stats helps in these things.

Oh I know... to me Brady is the definite MVP given the health of the team and his #s... but the media is pressing hard for Newton, and Carolina is undefeated with Newton being a huge part of it, so I wont be surprised if/when he wins.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

The ring is the goal. Guessing Tom got the MVP in 2007? I don't remember. I do remember he didn't get a ring in 2008.

Put me down for one more SB please.

The last player to win the League MVP and the Super Bowl in the same season was Kurt Warner in the 1999 season.

Thus endeth the lesson.

 

[primetime]

I don't always agree with Peter King, but in today's MMQB he states the truth: in any other season, Brady's performance would have him on his way to his third MVP, but this year it belongs to Cam Newton.

I'd vote for Cam, too, but it's sort of incredible that, aside from the two years Brady won, this is the refrain we've heard about Brady nearly every season of his career.

 

[JJDChE]

I don't always agree with Peter King, but in today's MMQB he states the truth: in any other season, Brady's performance would have him on his way to his third MVP, but this year it belongs to Cam Newton.

I don't agree with that at all. Brady is having his typical great year, but even without Newton it would be a battle between him, Palmer and Wilson this year. He wouldn't have beat out Manning in '13, or Peterson in '12, or Rodgers in '11. Out of the last few years, I'd say only last year would he have had a good shot to win it over the eventual winner.

 

[JJDChE]

The last player to win the League MVP and the Super Bowl in the same season was Kurt Warner in the 1999 season.

Thus endeth the lesson.

A lesson for you:

Correlation != Causation

 

[VrabelJr]

Newton is winning MVP because he is being graded on a curve. This season is exceptional for Newton but par for the course for Brady.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

A lesson for you:

Correlation != Causation

I guess I was absent the day they taught that in my Quantitative Logic and Statistics classes...

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I don't agree with that at all. Brady is having his typical great year, but even without Newton it would be a battle between him, Palmer and Wilson this year. He wouldn't have beat out Manning in '13, or Peterson in '12, or Rodgers in '11. Out of the last few years, I'd say only last year would he have had a good shot to win it over the eventual winner.

Good points all. Thanks.

 

[JJDChE]

I guess I was absent the day they taught that in my Quantitative Logic and Statistics classes...

If you know better then don't feed the ignorance.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

After yesterday...Cam is going to win it

 

[Snake Eyes]

And frankly, he'd deserve it, even though Brady has been better.

That literally makes no sense.

 

[ivanvamp]

That literally makes no sense.

It literally makes perfect sense. Sometimes there are more than one deserving candidate. Only one can win the award, but a very strong case can be made for more than one player. Newton has been amazing and would be a very deserving MVP winner, especially if they go 16-0. Brady has been just a little better, but the W/L category (which we all loved to tout in the Brady v. Manning battles) may be the deciding factor for Newton.

Don't make this harder than it is.

 

[JJDChE]

I'd vote for Cam, too, but it's sort of incredible that, aside from the two years Brady won, this is the refrain we've heard about Brady nearly every season of his career.

Brady definitely gets docked for 'being Brady'. If Kirk Cousins was having the exact same year as Brady and he had the Redskins at 12-2, all we'd be hearing about is the MVP race between Newton and Cousins. It's just not as new and shiny when it comes to Brady since he does it every year. Even so, Brady really dropped off stats-wise when all the injuries hit. He started off with a 21-1 TD:INT in the first 7 and is at 15:5 for the last 7. If he had maintained even close to that initial pace he'd still be in the discussion with Newton.

 

[primetime]

Brady definitely gets docked for 'being Brady'. If Kirk Cousins was having the exact same year as Brady and he had the Redskins at 12-2, all we'd be hearing about is the MVP race between Newton and Cousins. It's just not as new and shiny when it comes to Brady since he does it every year. Even so, Brady really dropped off stats-wise when all the injuries hit. He started off with a 21-1 TD:INT in the first 7 and is at 15:5 for the last 7. If he had maintained even close to that initial pace he'd still be in the discussion with Newton.

Absolutely. The Patriots also lost two games in that span (prompting a rash of 'the Patriots are over!' hot takes), while the Panthers have not.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

panthers/cam can be 07 pats/brady, we be the giant, only with a better record

 

[primetime]

panthers/cam can be 07 pats/brady, we be the giant, only with a better record

Despite their record, very few pundits I've seen seem to think the Panthers are the NFC's top contender, which is a little odd. Most of the talk is about the Seahawks and Cardinals. Understandable, maybe, since the Panthers play in a horrible division and there's still some skepticism about that offense, but it's not like the 2007 Patriots who were universally viewed as the obvious favorite going into the playoffs.