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  1. Clonamery

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    That's one thing I believe you know - miserable.
     
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  2. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Josh Gordon's locker is next to Brady's. PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Move TE was what Hernandez was in this offense if it helps.
     
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    Minus the whole murdering people thing.

    Could this just be the Pugula's saving some cash? Cut the veterans and hope someone picks them up?
     
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  4. luuked

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    I think CP is closer to what Hernandez was than Benjamin could ever be. Swiss army knife that can play h-back, pure RB, line up as WR (with a limited route tree), good blocker in the run game.
     
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    No thanks, Kalvin barely has a 30% catch rate.

    Bust he makes Dorsett look like Randy Moss.
     
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    Hernandez could block. Not well at first but he was at least willing, and by the end he was a decent enough blocker. Benjamin doesn't have that skillset and he's not about to learn it either.
     
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    KontradictioN Josh Gordon's locker is next to Brady's. PatsFans.com Supporter

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    The only reason I would want Benjamin is to provide another big target in the red zone to help the offense down on that end of the field. As you said, his blocking sucks. Plus he’d have to learn a new position and a new playbook and he wouldn’t exactly come cheap. The negatives outweigh the positives.
     
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  8. primetime

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    In theory Dwayne Allen should be a good, big red zone target. He was with the Colts. Don't know what happened.
     
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    I feel like he was never able to gain Brady's confidence, and the few times he was given opportunities were shaky. Brady seems to gel with certain guys reasonably fast (Gronk, Edelman, Hogan (last year), now Gordon) but if he loses confidence in you, you won't get the ball. Brady is very accurate and does a great job of trying to place balls for his guys to succeed and YAC it up. If he has confidence in you, he'll even take some risks and allow you to make a play. It seems he and Allen never developed that chemistry, so the Patriots have decided to utilize Allen at what he's best at in THIS offense: blocking.
     
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    Also Allen is stuck behind Gronk, White, Edelman, Gordon, Hogan, Burkhead and maybe even Dorsett on the receiving depth chart. CP is a special case that doesn't really make sense to mention here.

    Point being no matter what formation is on the field there is a good chance Allen is the last option on any play that is not designed with a concept he runs specifically in mind.
     
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    Doesn’t hurt that he gets virtually zero separation when he DOES run routes. Brady won’t throw it to him in that case. Same reason Gronk’s stats have gone down this season when he’s been active.
     
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    Benjamin's salary is probably just too high for us. But he would be interesting at TE. He's got the size of course and can take a hit and could learn the TE route tree. The issue is probably blocking and of course effort. If he isn't willing to do anything extra, whether it be warm ups or after practice, he won't make it here.
     
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    Benjamin would be a 10x upgrade over Hollister and most likely Dorsett but it might be too late in the season to realize any major benefits.

    Pats signed Floyd in the middle of December and he didn't do much except crush the 'Fins player chasing Jules.
     
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    If he clears waivers teams can sign him for whatever he is willing to accept.

    At this point he is a reclamation project and needs to re-establish himself
     
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    Dussault posted something interesting that had an interesting Dorsett nugget in it:

     
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    If he's even running routes. Allen runs a route on about two thirds of pass plays in which he's on the field. Gronk and Hollister are over 80%. That's the lowest percentage of any tight end in the league with a meaningful number of snaps. So more than any other tight end in the league, he's effectively serving as a third tackle.
     
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    They need another TE, that's why.
     
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    The Dorsett situation is interesting. When hes been in there, hes been reasonably productive. He also showed that he knows how to sit in an open part in a zone.

    I wonder if they want him to become a slot receiver?
     
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    Doesn’t really matter who is throwing the ball when he drops balls that hits him in the hands.
     
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    He's not one with a great catch percentage, but this year's 37% catch percentage, that Triumph is pounding the table about, is far lower than his career norm, and runs counter to his prior trending. Last year he was at 61.5%, he was at 53.4% the year prior, and he was at 50.3% as a rookie.
     
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