BB: Our passing game isn't as efficient as it needs to be

[NG Pats Fan]

DK runs like 5 routes. Not a fit. Wonderlic was also really low. Nice player, huge, big target, physical, but read his bio. Not a fit here. If you can't hit 20 on you Wonderlic, you're not going to understand coverages out of the Erhardt/Perkins system. BB doesn't want here unless his name is Randy Moss and he can be had for a 4th rder.

if DK isn’t a fit, then change your entire system and offense because it SUCKs

dk is a hall of fame talent, he fits anywhere

 

[NG Pats Fan]

This is a strange fanbase. It's like people are angry BB built 2 dynasties as the greatest GM ever. They use this odd set of rules pretending ****ball franchises who draft in the top 10 every year, who eventually hit on a guy, is a guy that BB passed on and then crapped on their heads and pissed in their cornflakes while doing it. Very odd behavior.

you’re a strange poster. Go back to belichick fanville and slob on his knob all you want

 

[PatsRebuild]

You want to talk who was better at Georgia?

in 2018, Chubb averaged 3.8 yards after contact. Despite seeing heavier boxes, Chubb consistently showed that he could run through contact. He’s built well and doesn’t shy away from contact. chubb was the bell cow and ran through stacked boxes on first & second down. Michel saw an eight man box only 10% of the time in 2018. In addition, Michel was primarily used on the field in 10 and 11 personnel to spread the defense out.

chubb is an elite athlete, he tested way better than Michel. Chubb made way more sense for a higher draftick than Michel. Chubb is proficient at gap runs, power, and zone. chubb has elite skills at second level of defense. Chubb is a better athlete, runs through contact better, eludes defenders better, fares well against stacked boxes, has stronger ball security, and runs with better instincts. Chubb catches the ball better too. Sony has brick hands, his sample size in college was small.

Harry and Sony supporters love to claim ”they block well” to Cover up the fact both suck at running and catching the ball. You don’t use first round picks on WRs/RBs for blocking folks.

I don't agree. Michel was the one playing well in the big games. I am not making it up that Chubb's production came against Kentucky and App State and teams like that. It's a fact.

He's good, but I don't get the disrepect for our 2018 postseason MVP, helping the team win another SB and completing the second dynasty. Very strange to be angry about something like that while drooling over a low IQ player in Cleveland. RBs can be replaced and have short shelf lives. If he helps Cleveland win a SB, then sure, I supposed that helps your argument. Without him in 2018, we don't win the SB. He was outstanding.

I am sure you're in multiple fantasy leagues, so enjoy all of that.

 

[PatsRebuild]

you’re a strange poster. Go back to belichick fanville and slob on his knob all you want

Not really. I am very appreciative of the GOAT GM and Coach and you somehow are not, when it's he who set all of this up in the cap era.

 

[PatsRebuild]

if DK isn’t a fit, then change your entire system and offense because it SUCKs

dk is a hall of fame talent, he fits anywhere

Wow.

Did you just say DK Metcalf is a "hall of fame" talent? Again, set your fantasy league lineups and play the Madden thingy, because it's not reality.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I don't agree. Michel was the one playing well in the big games. I am not making it up that Chubb's production came against Kentucky and App State and teams like that. It's a fact.

He's good, but I don't get the disrepect for our 2018 postseason MVP, helping the team win another SB and completing the second dynasty. Very strange to be angry about something like that while drooling over a low IQ player in Cleveland. RBs can be replaced and have short shelf lives. If he helps Cleveland win a SB, then sure, I supposed that helps your argument. Without him in 2018, we don't win the SB. He was outstanding.

I am sure you're in multiple fantasy leagues, so enjoy all of that.

hey chubbs on a 9-4 team, Sony is on a 6-7 team.


can Sony win without an elite o line carry him in 2018 and Tom Brady?

browns look way better than the pats right now.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Wow.

Did you just say DK Metcalf is a "hall of fame" talent? Again, set your fantasy league lineups and play the Madden thingy, because it's not reality.

yes, DK Metcalf will make the hall of fame someday. Did I stutter?

 

[PatsRebuild]

hey chubbs on a 9-4 team, Sony is on a 6-7 team.


can Sony win without an elite o line carry him in 2018 and Tom Brady?

browns look way better than the pats right now.

The Browns D is a sieve and has a QB, while overrated, at least looks like he has been in a huddle before. Our QB looks like he just came over from from a a different continent and is still trying to understand what a prolate spheroid is.

 

[PatsRebuild]

yes, DK Metcalf will make the hall of fame someday. Did I stutter?

Actually, yes, you did stutter.

And, I was laughing so hard, my eyes got all squinty, so I had to double check what you said. We have you on this thread and the Madden Ratings Guy on the other citing fascinating sources for your arguments.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Actually, yes, you did stutter.

And, I was laughing so hard, my eyes got all squinty, so I had to double check what you said. We have you on this thread and the Madden Ratings Guy on the other citing fascinating sources for your arguments.

The guy who defended Sony over Chubb is ”laughing at me”. right....


Russell Wilson said he will go down as one of the greatest WRs of all time.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

The Browns D is a sieve and has a QB, while overrated, at least looks like he has been in a huddle before. Our QB looks like he just came over from from a a different continent and is still trying to understand what a prolate spheroid is.

well ask your lord belichick. He loves cam

 

[Jim Beankie]

Thanks for posting the whole quote! Interesting to see Bill praise Byrd right off the bat, I actually think Byrd can be a pretty decent #3 WR if the two ahead of him are decent. Edelman when healthy can be that #2 guy still, but the #1 doesn't exist so it all kinda falls apart. Jakobi flashes (and has flashed more as the season goes on) but is still raw and needs more experience. He might be #3 quality next year. Harry, at this point, is a bit of a one-trick pony in an offense that doesn't often use that trick. Unclear if he will improve, but he looked slightly better last week and Bill said the same, so we'll see. The fact that there is basically ZERO production from the TEs compounds this issue quite a bit. A #1-quality WR and at least an average TE would really change everything, but you still have to wonder about whether Cam will just bottleneck that potential. IMO he's still not healthy from his injuries last year and new injuries have made it worse. I'm cool with seeing how he does next year, but not for more than $10m, and only if better options aren't readily available or accessible...

$10mil, 2 yrs with incentives (finally read up on how that works with the cap) and that sounds like 2 years too many for a lot of fans. If someone wants to give him more than that, I don't blame him for taking it - guy's got 5 biological and 2 non-married-inherited kids. Man, you're making me think about Cam with the Pats next year like it's possible. I know seeing Cam throw is probably the last thing any fan wants to see at this point, but in half of his games (including his last 3), he's attempted fewer than 20 passes (although he left early for 3). Guy never gets a chance to get into any kind of rhythm. The 3 games where he was able to get over 30 Attempts in, he was... not terrible. Heck, he hasn't had a game with a completion % under 50% this year and Brady had 2 last year.

Read this after I wrote the above - not that I wanted to relive it, but it was interesting analysis:

Film review: Proof that Cam Newton is not remotely the Patriots' biggest problem

The Patriots passing game has been decidedly not good during the 2020 NFL season. New England ranks 28th in both passing DVOA and EPA. It’s one of three teams that has thrown more interceptions than touchdown passes on the season. Again, not good. And when a passing…

ftw.usatoday.com

 

[denverpatsfan]

Hilarious stuff here. We literally have the worst QB play in a Pats uni since Tommy Hodson and somehow everyone else magically is a "bust". haha

Tommy Hodson would have beat Denver...

 

[denverpatsfan]

$10mil, 2 yrs with incentives (finally read up on how that works with the cap) and that sounds like 2 years too many for a lot of fans. If someone wants to give him more than that, I don't blame him for taking it - guy's got 5 biological and 2 non-married-inherited kids. Man, you're making me think about Cam with the Pats next year like it's possible. I know seeing Cam throw is probably the last thing any fan wants to see at this point, but in half of his games (including his last 3), he's attempted fewer than 20 passes (although he left early for 3). Guy never gets a chance to get into any kind of rhythm. The 3 games where he was able to get over 30 Attempts in, he was... not terrible. Heck, he hasn't had a game with a completion % under 50% this year and Brady had 2 last year.

Read this after I wrote the above - not that I wanted to relive it, but it was interesting analysis:

Film review: Proof that Cam Newton is not remotely the Patriots' biggest problem

The Patriots passing game has been decidedly not good during the 2020 NFL season. New England ranks 28th in both passing DVOA and EPA. It’s one of three teams that has thrown more interceptions than touchdown passes on the season. Again, not good. And when a passing…

ftw.usatoday.com

Good article. Where's the blame on MckD for calling plays and formations that the Rams could so easily diagnose?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I'm cool with seeing how he does next year, but not for more than $10m, and only if better options aren't readily available or accessible...

He was available in 2020 for $5M - $6M, including incentives, because no other team in the league wanted him. The announcers on national TV are saying he should hang it up (ex-players ALWAYS support their fellow players but not in this case). After posting twice as many interceptions as completions in 2020 confirming what everyone expected, you want to give Cam a 100% raise in 2021?

 

[Toofy]

You need to throw contested balls to Harry. Brady was never throwing those as his bread and butter is more in slot and the screen passes to james white. And Harry missed close to half a season.

And this season cam cannot even throw 10 yards without getting intercepted, how do we expect Harry to shine. I think Harry got selected in the wrong team. Stidham has a nice spiral and should really align with Harry skillset. Again he is a work in progress and need to be a bit patient with him. I hope he at least plays the last 2 games as a starter so that we know what he can do.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

if DK isn’t a fit, then change your entire system and offense because it SUCKs

dk is a hall of fame talent, he fits anywhere

We have to change our entire drafting system for WRs because it was changed to some crappy metric McDaniels developed , and BB replaced out his own or his dad's scouting methods for receivers. So we can only trade for guys like Moss or Welker or coach up 7th rounders like Edelman or Meyers. The WR draft evals are totally broken.

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[captain stone]

I love you Captain, but you have to also give credit where credit is due...how about D. Harris 3rd round, Thuney 3rd round, Mason 4th round, Wino 3rd round, JC Jackson f/a, Matthew Slater 5th round and who could forget the best pick of all time: Tom fricken Brady in the 6th round...

4 draft picks from the past 5 years? Bill's dog could've done better than that...

 

[Grogan14]

We have to change our entire drafting system for WRs because it was changes to some crappy metric McDanies developed , and BB replaced out his own or his dad's scouting methods for receivers. So we can only trade for guys like Moss or Welker or coach up 7th rounders like Edelman or Meyers. The WR draft evals are totally broken.

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Also perhaps the offensive system needs to be simplified so it does not require a PhD from MIT to figure it out. The past 2 years have simply been pretty much complete failures. Either McDaniels needs to be flexible enough to radically change his system or get a new OC.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Damm, Rusty (chris Stevenson) is back again.