Are the WRs actually getting open?

[Ring 6]

There's an entire thread of Jacoby missing open receivers on Reddit. He had guys wide open all day and didn't even look at them. I know, the source is what it is, but so are the clips contained within:

I don’t think those clips show what you think they did but if you want to discuss them let me know

 

[Thunderhead]

I don’t think those clips show what you think they did but if you want to discuss them let me know

I assume you're alluding the abysmal OL play. That's an even bigger factor for the ineptitude of the passing game, but I'm not letting Brissett off the hook either.

 

[Thelonious]

So close.

You don't get to blame 'past GMs' anymore, not when the team had 100 million in cap space going into the offseason. Instead of bringing in below-average NFL starters, they brought in delivery drivers they found in the dumpster, and didn't draft an offensive lineman until the fourth round. They drafted guards they 'projected at tackle'. Last week, they started 4 Guards and a Center.

Bill Belichick was fired in December. He didn't do any of that.

Belichick is to blame for the fact that the cupboard was as bare as it was when the new regime took over, resulting in a very protracted rebuild. Bill was the GM for a long time until quite recently, a job at which he was fireably irresponsible going back several years. His dereliction IS relevant to the present predicament. He was a great HC and an adequate GM for a long time, then he wasn't - only a blind fanboy would deny this - and he was rightly fired for doing a job so substandard that we are still recovering from the damage.

As for wasting money overpaying for shiny objects - "proven" players on the cusp of decline - which the team is not yet ready to use, thank goodness they were smart enough - eventually - to resist such a foolish approach.

 

[Froob]

So close.

You don't get to blame 'past GMs' anymore, not when the team had 100 million in cap space going into the offseason. Instead of bringing in below-average NFL starters, they brought in delivery drivers they found in the dumpster, and didn't draft an offensive lineman until the fourth round. They drafted guards they 'projected at tackle'. Last week, they started 4 Guards and a Center.

Bill Belichick was fired in December. He didn't do any of that.

You don't build an OL in one year through FA. It's a multi year project developing young OL. Bill didn't develop any good young linemen post Brady aside from Onwenu.

 

[203Pat]

He might not be talking just about himself but about his entire receiver group who their QB doesn't even look at. I think they might start having a problem soon if things don't change. I know they preach culture a lot but WRs are divas by nature.

Alternatively, the post could be referencing Drake Maye. Lol

Definitely open for multiple interpretations but either way Reagor should just not post anything that could even remotely be considered negative towards the team.

 

[Jim Beankie]

You don't build an OL in one year through FA. It's a multi year projection developing young OL. Bill didn't develop any good young linemen post Brady aside from Onwenu.

What's egregious is that from 2020-2022, BB only drafted 6th Rd Herron, 7th C Woodard, 6th Sherman, 1st Bizarre, 6th Chasin' Tail and 6th Puber. Dude was draftin like Scar was still around.

 

[VrabelJr]

What's egregious is that from 2020-2022, BB only drafted 6th Rd Herron, 7th C Woodard, 6th Sherman, 1st Bizarre, 6th Chasin' Tail and 6th Puber. Dude was draftin like Scar was still around.

I mean we went from a line of Brown-Thuney-Andrews-Mason-Cannon and 3/5 of them were gone in 2 years and another was mentally gone shortly after. That’s a lot of turnover in a very short amount of time.

I don’t know any franchise that could handle the amount of turnover our roster had after 2019-2020. Even the first dynasty retirements and loss weren’t that abrupt.

 

[Ring 6]

I assume you're alluding the abysmal OL play. That's an even bigger factor for the ineptitude of the passing game, but I'm not letting Brissett off the hook either.

Well I looked at about half of the clips. A lot weren’t even claiming open receivers were missed. The dude writing them also isn’t exactly a genius about what is really an open receiver.
I saw some that pressure arrived before he could get the ball out. I also saw one where he had time, Douglass probably was his first read, was open but he looked down at rush and got sacked. This was a Mac jones issue. You get what you want but aren’t prepared to get it so you are slow to act.
Honestly that could be one of the few most critical qb qualities. Marino was always praised for quick release, but what he really did was he understood the call, the coverage and saw it and acted on time. There are volumes of film of Mac jones throwing to the right guy at the wrong time, or just not being ready for the primary target when the play worked as designed.
We had a lot of discussion about one play last year when he had an in route against cover2, there did exactly what cover2 does, the in route was wide open and he was indecisive and took a sack.

I went way off on a tangent, but what I wanted ti say was it would be a cool idea to pick a few of this clips and have a discussion about them.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I mean we went from a line of Brown-Thuney-Andrews-Mason-Cannon and 3/5 of them were gone in 2 years and another was mentally gone shortly after. That’s a lot of turnover in a very short amount of time.

I don’t know any franchise that could handle the amount of turnover our roster had after 2019-2020. Even the first dynasty retirements and loss weren’t that abrupt.

Having Scar and TB12 leave was the Vanilla nut taps of nut taps for the OL, as both of them were crucial for their development. Hubris certainly got the best of BB, as imho OL is the 2nd most important position. Full disclosure, I'm Team Trinity (TB&BB&RKK)... Dodge This.

 

[Jim Beankie]

There's an entire thread of Jacoby missing open receivers on Reddit. He had guys wide open all day and didn't even look at them. I know, the source is what it is, but so are the clips contained within:

Imho, after watching all of them, there were 1.5 clips out of that whole list where Jacoby was at fault, and I was instantly ready to blame Brisk due to my previous loyaltiez. Whenever I watch stuff like this, I take into account that it'll take around 1.0s to get it 25 yards in the air, and CBs already on the move can cover a lot of ground in a second. Only 8 two game starters have gone without an INT, and that's JB's MO.

Aaron vs Jacoby... the battle of the best all time 1.4% INT% QBs, and AR's already thrown one this year.

 

[Ring 6]

Having Scar and TB12 leave was the Vanilla nut taps of nut taps for the OL, as both of them were crucial for their development. Hubris certainly got the best of BB, as imho OL is the 2nd most important position. Full disclosure, I'm Team Trinity (TB&BB&RKK)... Dodge This.

Explain how “hubris” enters into it?

 

[Jim Beankie]

Explain how “hubris” enters into it?

Hmm... please bear with me because I've had a fair amount to drink.... The notion that he was going to be able to turn water to wine or alchemistically turn cole [sic] to gold.

1) Continuing to take OL positions low in the draft (FCS school players notwithstanding) despite knowing there was going to be a reckoning of OL positions leaving.
2) Having inexperienced OL coaches take over after Dante... then when that didn't work out...
3) Matt Patricia was the Patriots Offensive Line coach. The all time shark jumps of Jumping the Shark.

Edit: I still think Strange will turn out to be a really good player, but that's just the homerism talking.

 

[Zuma]

Apparently this dummy thinks he is some sort of diamond in the rough.

 

[203Pat]

Looks like he doesn't even have that little garage bay anymore.

 

[Ring 6]

Hmm... please bear with me because I've had a fair amount to drink.... The notion that he was going to be able to turn water to wine or alchemistically turn cole [sic] to gold.

1) Continuing to take OL positions low in the draft (FCS school players notwithstanding) despite knowing there was going to be a reckoning of OL positions leaving.
2) Having inexperienced OL coaches take over after Dante... then when that didn't work out...
3) Matt Patricia was the Patriots Offensive Line coach. The all time shark jumps of Jumping the Shark.

Edit: I still think Strange will turn out to be a really good player, but that's just the homerism talking.

So you think he made those decisions instead of other ones because he just felt he could do whatever he wanted so he didn’t bother trying to make the best decision?

1) So you think if he wasn’t wrapped up in being in love with himself he would have used a bunch of 1sts and 2nds on the OL, even though he didn’t when he was nobody?
2) So he had experienced great OL coaches out there but says I’m BB watch me not hire one. Of course he must have had hubris his whole career because that is what he always did. And the guy who replaced Scar the first time was experienced, then saving one trained under scar.
3) It’s incredible that when he stayed many times that good cus he’s are good coaches and can coach different positions, and did it throughout his career tgat this time it was hubris.

So your opinion is Bill Belichickks approach to running a football team was “I can do whatever I want and it will magically work out” not situational football, do your job, team comes first, sound fundamentals, all 3 phases, etc etc.

I guess you have been drinking

 

[Zuma]

Looks like he doesn't even have that little garage bay anymore.

Nor the car soon enough

 

[TommyD4207]

I don’t think I’ve seen any rb run for 120 on 25 carries when the average first contact is -1.5

I certainly haven't. Walter Payton maybe? It's actually incredible what we're seeing, and it will get lost in the shuffle.

 

[TommyD4207]

I assume you're alluding the abysmal OL play. That's an even bigger factor for the ineptitude of the passing game, but I'm not letting Brissett off the hook either.

This is fair enough, I guess. The line has been so bad though, that it's really hard to get an accurate read on much else going on, and I have to credit Brissett for not turning the ball over, and getting some of those passes off instead of taking sacks, just by his sheer ability.

Depends what curve you're grading on, I suppose.

 

[PP2]

I don't care if he's the pope, saying Polk was "wide open" was completely wrong.

Not only was the LB bearing down on Jacoby, but if you watch Leonard Williams (#99) he makes a vet move and drops back into coverage when he realizes he's nowhere near the QB in pass rush. He gets between our QB and Polk early in the route. The only time Polk was open was at the very end of the play, at which point the LB had his hands on Jacoby... there was no play to be made other than the early check down to Henry.

Lingers too long on play action. so you'd prefer a poor fake? This ^ reads like a lot of pseudo expertise without a lot of substance.

Were there plays to be made throughout the game that Brissett probably missed, sure... we used to watch Brady tape and find the same thing. It happens every week. Would Maye and his cannon arm probably made more downfield throws, no doubt... he also probably would have turned it over and got sacked a couple more times. I don't want Maye going now against the Jets and 49ers, so it's best they wait.

Bottom line, Polk was not wide open... and most media members who nitpick and post erroneous tweets like the one above are morons who have no concept about the view at field level, or from the QB's eyes. Just because you can see it from the sky cam doesn't make the player "open." If Polk breaks open and Jacoby is being tackled he was never open. Our line stinks at pass blocking, consider that first and foremost.

Yeah that literally is the definition of wide open in the NFL, period. Especially on a short route like a crosser. Polk has a full step on his man and that's as open as you're going to get in the NFL outside of busted coverage.




Nice.. trying to make Williams out to be some sort of a threat, but no. He is nowhere near being able to break up the play. If that ball had more zip on it and was targeted, Polk has an easy catch.

 

[TommyD4207]

God he sucked, I have no idea how he even made the practice squad.