AFC Championship Game: Jets at Steelers

[RHbT76]

Thus demonstrating that your argument had no merit.

What? It's what I'm arguing they should have done for the whole first half, only focusing more on the runs. You're basically holding up 2 successful examples of what I'm saying should have been done more.

 

[Patspsycho]

I even posted at least three actual second half drives. I think we ran more as a percentage, than we did our first two almost successful ones. Some people are convinced they can pick every incomplete pass and turn it into a 10 yard run with their way back machine.

Here's a good sequence.


Wow, I wonder if the Jets defense played it different on 2nd and 2 and 3rd and 1?

BJ went from an 8 yard pc Juggernaut to a -1 in just two carries. Still a 3.5 average, for you playing the board game at home.

So what you're saying is the -1 is BJGE's fault? You better go back and look at that play.

 

[Patspsycho]

I posted the actual second half drives. That's not spin, it's copy/paste.

Mendenhall ran it a total of 27 times tonight and rang up 121 yards on 4.5 YPC

BJGE had 4.8 YPC on 9 carries for 48 yards.

Those numbers are similar. If BJGE had more chances, he would have definitely been a game-changer.

 

[RHbT76]

I even posted at least three actual second half drives. I think we ran more as a percentage, than we did our first two almost successful ones. Some people are convinced they can pick every incomplete pass and turn it into a 10 yard run with their way back machine.

Here's a good sequence.


Wow, I wonder if the Jets defense played it different on 2nd and 2 and 3rd and 1?

BJ went from an 8 yard pc Juggernaut to a -1 in just two carries. Still a 3.5 average, for you playing the board game at home.

No, that play was blown up because of missed blocking assignments.

Do you realize you just keep making strawman arguments over and over?

 

[RayClay]

So what you're saying is the -1 is BJGE's fault? You better go back and look at that play.

Do you think they should have run on 4th down? It's your contention they should have kept running no matter what. They ran every play that series and started with an 8 yard run (against nobody, most likely).

I know people are upset, but this is just foolish. 8 yards against the dare you to run defense and zero net on two carries when the Jets deigned to play any kind of run defense.

I'm not going to rewatch the game and substitute my fantasy play for every unsuccessful one, sorry.

 

[Deus Irae]

What? It's what I'm arguing they should have done for the whole first half, only focusing more on the runs. You're basically holding up 2 successful examples of what I'm saying should have been done more.

Ummm....

Yes, the offense was using a balanced attack including a good amount of runs by Woodhead/BJGE which was working I agree. But that was abandoned for a pass happy offense focusing on lots of shotgun, empty backfield looks that got Brady sacked a lot and got us no where.

And I said before I would have opened up the first half with a running attack, I never suggested running for the entire game.

Stop. Please, just stop. You're basically arguing against yourself at this point.

 

[Keyser Söze]

This should be merged in the Jets suck thread.

:rocker:

 

[RHbT76]

Ummm....






Stop. Please, just stop. You're basically arguing against yourself at this point.

Whereas if they used formations like 2TE sets with BJGE/Woodhead running out of the backfield and audibles to play action passes when the defense crowds the line of scrimmage its much harder to defend.

I was suggesting a run first offense that mixes in passes when necessary, never a run only attack. Way to misrepresent my argument. I guess that's the best you can do.

 

[Patspsycho]

Do you think they should have run on 4th down? It's your contention they should have kept running no matter what. They ran every play that series and started with an 8 yard run (against nobody, most likely).

I know people are upset, but this is just foolish. 8 yards against the dare you to run defense and zero net on two carries when the Jets deigned to play any kind of run defense.

I'm not going to rewatch the game and substitute my fantasy play for every unsuccessful one, sorry.

There wouldn't have been a fourth down if there wasn't a major miss on a block.

 

[RayClay]

No, that play was blown up because of missed blocking assignments.

Do you realize you just keep making strawman arguments over and over?

Let's see, I've pasted the actual plays, proved you wrong on your assertions and done everything but try to take every failed play and substitute a fantasy play. that's your job.

So are the jets supposed to not play run defense on 2nd and third down, is that your position? i never blamed anything on anyone, merely said there is absolutely know evidence, except in your revisionist history mind, that taking the ball out of Brady's hands and running it would make up an 11 point or more lead.

I believe i am not alone, in fact, likely with 99.9999% of humanity, in thinking Brady and the passing game are the strength of our team.

You are the only one thinking we are the John Hannah Patriots.

 

[Deus Irae]

I was suggesting a run first offense that mixes in passes when necessary, never a run only attack. Way to misrepresent my argument. I guess that's the best you can do.

Ummm.... I used your direct quotes. Two of the three quotes I used were entire posts, in fact. I didn't misrepresent your argument at all.



Your argument just sucked.

 

[Patspsycho]

I believe i am not alone, in fact, likely with 99.9999% of humanity, in thinking Brady and the passing game are the strength of our team.

We've lost every single time, starting in the AFC championship in '06, whenever we became one dimensional. Dillon got benched in the 2nd half of that game and that game became the worst choke in AFC championship history.

Brady's passing is a strength, yes, but we are at our best when we mix it up, with successful passing, runs, and playactions.

That was the difference between the first and 2nd Jets game.

 

[RayClay]

There wouldn't have been a fourth down if there wasn't a major miss on a block.

Which means what? Maybe the jets defense that was stifling our passes decided to stifle our running game that got 8 yds when it was easy. Twice, by the way. We only needed to gain two yards, failed twice and punted.

This is getting kind of pathetic. You don't get to pick do overs like in golf, then change the outcome.

Would have been nice if Brady hit BJ for the first TD and Crumpler caught the bunny. Didn't happen...period.

 

[Deus Irae]

Let's see, I've pasted the actual plays, proved you wrong on your assertions and done everything but try to take every failed play and substitute a fantasy play. that's your job.

So are the jets supposed to not play run defense on 2nd and third down, is that your position? i never blamed anything on anyone, merely said there is absolutely know evidence, except in your revisionist history mind, that taking the ball out of Brady's hands and running it would make up an 11 point or more lead.

I believe i am not alone, in fact, likely with 99.9999% of humanity, in thinking Brady and the passing game are the strength of our team.

You are the only one thinking we are the John Hannah Patriots.

Apparently, they should have run more during that last drive against the Rams in the 2001 Super Bowl. :bricks:

 

[RHbT76]

Let's see, I've pasted the actual plays, proved you wrong on your assertions and done everything but try to take every failed play and substitute a fantasy play. that's your job.

What the hell are you even talking about.

So are the jets supposed to not play run defense on 2nd and third down, is that your position? i never blamed anything on anyone, merely said there is absolutely know evidence, except in your revisionist history mind, that taking the ball out of Brady's hands and running it would make up an 11 point or more lead.

Here we go again. If the jets adjust their defense to stop the run it opens up the pass and wears out the defense. THAT IS THE POINT. Then Brady has more opportunities to find open receivers. I'm not suggesting we try and run BJGE for 60 minutes, are you mentally ******ed?

I believe i am not alone, in fact, likely with 99.9999% of humanity, in thinking Brady and the passing game are the strength of our team.

He is yes, no one is disputing that. But last week the Jets passing defense was their strength and their run defense their weakness.

You are the only one thinking we are the John Hannah Patriots.

At least you only claimed this was my argument this time and didn't try to disprove it, so you avoided making another strawman argument, good for you!

 

[Patspsycho]

Which means what? Maybe the jets defense that was stifling our passes decided to stifle our running game that got 8 yds when it was easy. Twice, by the way. We only needed to gain two yards, failed twice and punted.

This is getting kind of pathetic. You don't get to pick do overs like in golf, then change the outcome.

Would have been nice if Brady hit BJ for the first TD and Crumpler caught the bunny. Didn't happen...period.

Who failed exactly? It wasn't BJGE or Woodhead. They did their jobs. Someone else didn't.

 

[RHbT76]

Ummm.... I just suck.

I agree.

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree.

My bad. I didn't realize you were only about 6 years old.

 

[RHbT76]

I only 6 years old.

Aww isn't that cute?

 

[RayClay]

We've lost every single time, starting in the AFC championship in '06, whenever we became one dimensional. Dillon got benched in the 2nd half of that game and that game became the worst choke in AFC championship history.

Brady's passing is a strength, yes, but we are at our best when we mix it up, with successful passing, runs, and playactions.

That was the difference between the first and 2nd Jets game.

We mixed the run and the pass, I posted it. Unlike dillon, as I've indicated, we run much better agains nickel dime packages because we have two journeyman running backs.

Dillon was running on one leg the end of his career and was still a tough back. Maroney sucked and was inconsistent.

I am not disagreeing that a balanced attack is best. We ran a balance attack. I posted the gawdamn play by play. When we fell behind, the Jets ran on us because our line is decimated. Our defense is not as good with injuries and our running backs are average reliable backs who can be stopped when the defense plays the run. When they beat our blocking scheme it's a stop!!!!

Delude yourself if you want, you don't get to play the game over and ham and egger running backs don't march up and down the field when good defenses are actually trying to stop them.

and there's no Santa Claus! Sorry.