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  1. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Well, I had cleared my ignore list during the Jets week. Congrats, you're the first one being added back to it.


    Good luck in middle school.
     
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    Entering the 4th quarter, we were only down by 3. That is not the definition of "fell behind."

    Yet, we stopped mixing it up after the first two drives.

    Why?
     
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    RayClay Hall of Fame Poster

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    They did their jobs. There jobs don't entail anything close to carryinfg the team on there back, they are likely (at least BJ, since Woodhead is a good receiver) out of football if they don't have a team with a top QB so they can be a reliable, dependable complement.

    BJ ... Strengths, never fumbled, follows blocking and goes forward.

    Power, average or below, speed below average, elusiveness, below average.
     
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    Patspsycho Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    So Mendenhall "carried" his team tonight with a 4.4 YPC, but BJGE did not carry his team with a 4.8 YPC, last week?
     
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    RayClay Hall of Fame Poster

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    If I prove, by the drive before and the drive after we closed it to 3 points that you are completely wrong, will you be happy?

    Here's the drive where Brady marched 80 yards down the field, mostly in the shotgun for a TD and 2 pointer.

    2 runs, I counted. Our most pass heavy, and a successful, come from behind drive.

    Our next drive, down by 3

    I count 7 runs and six passes. That's more run heavy than usual. When we were down by three after our pass oriented TD drive.
     
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    You know, if you're not going to watch the games and just quote statistical averages it's not worth arguing. I watched the first half and Rapeburger sucked, in fact he wasn't very good most of the game.

    why don't you tell me, without looking at a stat sheet, how Pitt built their lead.

    # 1-10-NYJ 41 (14:49) 34-R.Mendenhall up the middle to NYJ 34 for 7 yards (33-E.Smith, 24-D.Revis).
    # 2-3-NYJ 34 (14:08) 34-R.Mendenhall right guard to NYJ 32 for 2 yards (97-C.Pace).
    9 on 2 carries, other RB fails

    # 3-1-NYJ 32 (13:26) 33-I.Redman left guard to NYJ 32 for no gain (52-D.Harris, 57-B.Scott). Official measurement.

    You can average out some garbage time runs if you want, but that's highlights of the first half and a 24-3 game.
     
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    Of those 7 "runs" only one was a legit run; the rest were draw plays, e.g., no FB, or I formation sets, just Woodhead in HB, and he frequently motioned. That did not affect the way the Jets played against us- they didn't even shift out of their nickel or dime anytime Woodhead was in there because they knew one linebacker could stop Woodhead cold.

    I know for a fact, because I downloaded the game and have seen it a few times.
     
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    Well that argues my point. Pittsburgh ran the ball a lot in the first half, unlike us. If we had used BJGE a lot more, the outcome would have been very different. It would have forced the Jets out of their heavy coverage groupings.
     
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    Also you didn't answer my question on how Mendenhall is said to have "carried" his team with a 4.4 ypc, but BJGE didn't do so with a 4.8 YPC? That's the confusing thing to me.
     
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    So now draw plays don't count as runs. Ha ha. this is great.
     
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    sevengables_2207 In the Starting Line-Up

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    I guess you could say that Mendenhall "carried" his team with 27 rushes and it would make more sense than saying he carried his team with 4.4 ypc. Had BJGE received 25 rushing attempts last week, I think that the outcome of the game would have been different.
     
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    Technically it does.

    I am looking at it in terms of how it affected the Jets defense. The fact is that every time Woodhead was in there, it did not change the defense. The Jets stuck to their heavy coverage schemes.

    Whereas- once Mendenhall started running on the Jets tonight (27 attempts which is more than the total of BJGE/Woodhead attempts), that forced them to change things around, and so the Steelers were able to dictate to them, to force them to react.
     
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    That is what I am trying to argue.
     
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    How many games has the running game rescued for the Patriots in the post-2007 era?
     
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    So Pittsburgh getting first downs with Mendenhall makes BJGE as good an athlete as Him? This is getting better.

    Mendenhall had a 35 yd run in the first half. He has at least a 50 yard and 60 yard run in each of the last two seasons.

    How many 35 or more yard runs does BJ have? (it's a trick question).
     
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    Because he ran once for longer than BJ has ever run and he has season longs of 50 and 60. Because he can beat people outside with speed and maul people in the open field. You can't analyze football on a spreadsheet, it's about physical matchups sometimes, especially at RB.

    I showed how it changed the Jets defense. On first down when they were all about Brady, BJ got 8 yards. In short yardage, Woody got 1, BJ -1.

    You can spin it how you want, look at the transcript and find me the breakaway runs, forcing first downs with the run etc. BJ gets the benefit of nickel and dime defenses.
     
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    sevengables_2207 In the Starting Line-Up

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    It has little to do with "rescuing" and more to do with maintaining balance consistently in order to keep a defense guessing. Your sophistic arguments need not apply.
     
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    You know what? Nobody in football is judged by averages. Mendenhall was solely responsible for four first downs, one a run of 35.

    That's how they measure things in football, first downs and touchdowns.
     
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    Mendenhall: 324 attempts, 13 TDs, 3.9 YPC, 61 first downs (18.8%)
    Green-Ellis: 229 attempts, 13 TDs, 4.4 YPC, 62 first downs (27.1%)

    Care to try that again? :)
     
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    Perhaps you could take a look at the first drives of the Patriots?

    First drive was 3 runs and 5 passes.

    Second drive was begun with a run that was called back by penalty. After that, it was 3 runs, 4 passes and the sack on third down after Crumpler dropped the TD pass.

    In other words, they started out about mixing the pass and run, and moved the ball the length of the field both times, with both drives starting from inside the Patriots own 20. The end result was a 7-3 deficit.

    Pretending that some mythical "balance" was the problem is a nice story to tell your kids 30 years from now, but it just doesn't hold water in the face of what was actually happening on the field.
     
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