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  1. maineman209

    maineman209 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    There are quite a few of us who really enjoy the scouting and roster-building aspects of football. Tracking players and prospects, and projecting who might fit in what role serves as an exercise to help deepen my understanding of the processes that the team (BB, Caserio, et al) engage in and of the constraints they must deal with. All of which enriches my enjoyment of the game.

    There's an enormous amount of information to process, and this really isn't too early to begin gathering and organizing that information. The team certainly has been for awhile now.

    In any case, if you think it's silly, fine. But no one is holding a gun to your head to force you to read this thread.
     
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    maineman209 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Taking into account all the players who the Pats currently have under contract on the active roster, IR, NFI and PS who seem likely to be part of the 2018 off-season, 90-man roster at the start of the new League Year, there are already 11 who could (hypothetically, at least) be candidates for an edge defender role (43-DE/34-OLB types), even if only situationally, or as rotational depth or emergency reserves.

    T.Flowers
    Wise
    Lee
    Hightower (on IR)
    Rivers (IR)
    Reilly (ST)
    M. Flowers (ST)
    Grissom (PS)
    McClellin (IR)
    Davis (NFI)
    Langi (NFI)

    Just to be clear, I'm NOT saying that all of these guys are of equal value, much less that all of them are candidates to start, just that they're likely to be on the initial "menu" of players that BB/Caserio/MP will have from which to select players to plug in to various roster slots (+ new free agents and draft selections). Among those slots to be filled are the ST/reserve guys who, like Bademosi among DBs, could start a couple of games on an emergency basis without being a liability.

    For Interior LB, there may be only five:

    Van Noy
    Roberts
    Harris
    #M. Flowers
    #Hightower

    Even adding in safety types who might play an in-the-box role fairly frequently, there are only five more:

    Chung
    McCourty
    Richards
    Travis? (PS)
    D. Jones? (PS)

    All of the above forms the basis for my agreement that it would seem helpful to acquire another potential "lead" player - a Collins (without the freelancing) or a Mayo (without the injuries).

    And I say this while acknowledging that Roberts has become a much more well-rounded player this season, and that Van Noy has dramatically emerged as a high-quality LB during his time in NE. In just a half-season in 2016, Van Noy matched his 2.5 year stat production in Detroit, and in just 10 games so far this year, his stats have already nearly surpassed the total from his previous three seasons.

    However, with HT's health/availability perhaps being an ongoing concern, Harris being 33, and M. Flowers still being a bit of an unknown (and a UFA), it seems to me that attempting to add at least "another Van Noy" to the mix would be prudent, and possibly of somewhat greater need and long term value than a high-end edge-rusher.

    OTOH, with both Chung and McCourty turning 31 next season, acquiring another potential high-end, in-the-box safety (soon) also seems fairly prudent.

    So, while acquiring both another ILB type and another SS type would be wonderful, it seems to me that acquiring one or the other is nearly a "must have" now.

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    The "Gronk trade", though ... LOL! Nope, I'd be extremely surprised if that happened this cycle.
     
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    maineman209 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Maybe for you. But if I wait until after the holidays and playoffs to set up my spreadsheets and plug-in the basic info, I'll be screwed when free agency starts.
     
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    maineman209 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Assuming that Rowe returns to health this season and shows that he can play well - with the emergence of Jon Jones, the evidence that Bademosi can come off the bench and not be a liability, and the potential that Cy Jones might continue his development, I'm actually comfortable seeing Butler walk, now. At least, I'm not as concerned about it as I was last spring.
     
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    My eyeball tells me that Butler is having a few hiccups this year and is not as effective as he was last year.. perhaps the other teams have identified his weaknesses and are exploiting them. He will get "paid", but not necessarily by the NEP...
     
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    maineman209 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    It seems certain that the Pats will have 3-4 QBs on the 90-man roster in 2018, regardless how #3 & #4 are acquired.

    It seems certain that the Pats have been doing some very focused scouting of QB prospects who may be available in the 2018 draft for awhile now - and probably 2019 and 2020, too.

    It seems equally certain that the Pats have been performing due diligence on young QBs who are already in the NFL, but riding pine behind established starters.

    What doesn't seem entirely certain to me is that the Pats WILL draft a QB prospect in 2018. IF a prospect in this draft who the Pats believe is suitable who falls into the range of their picks (or even into the late-teens/early 20s of the first round), they're certain to take him. The uncertainty is whether or not "their guy" is available/within reach - or even exists - in this draft class (by their estimation, not ours).

    If a potential "Brady replacement" QB is NOT available to the Pats in the 2018 draft class, they might be forced to wait until 2019 and temporize with a late-rounder/UDFA, an additional UFA signing, or even a low-level trade for a guy like Jake Rudock (DET).
     
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    Agree. All of the above would be fine with maybe a bit of a priority with a player who can rush the passer.
     
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    I’d go with one linebacker. One offensive linemen. One defensive line guy. One backup quarterback in case some dumb stuff happens and trades.

    I hate to tell you but I think roger takes our first pick away over marty
     
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    Are you just being funny, or you do you seriously believe this? o_O
     
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  10. patriot1136

    patriot1136 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Malcolm Butler is the most interesting to me. His whole situation could go either way. That will impact a lot of other moves/players.
     
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    I marked this post a winner. However, I would add DT.

     
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    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    ???

    We have Gilmore, Rowe, Jones and Jones for 2018. Perhaps you think that Bademosi (who is a free agent) is the replacement for Butler.

    I agree that Butler is unlikely to be playing for the patriots. HOWEVER, we will be signing 2-3 corners.
     
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    I think it's becoming more likely that Butler does depart after this season which I think would be sad considering those specials moments he has given us as fans but most players don't stay with a franchise their entire career and players should look out for themselves to make as much money for themselves as they can in what amounts to a short playing career over their lifetime.

    If Butler is a top 20 CB which most of us consider he is (if not maybe top 10) then I just don't see Coach and GM Bill letting Butler go for a comp pick. I think most likely Butler will either be franchised for one more year with the Patriots - which makes sense since we are chasing Super Bowls so why give us top talent) or you tag and trade Butler for a second round pick. Yes, it's expensive for teams to give up a draft pick and then give the player a large contract but the draft is a lottery. Coach Bill showed this season giving up two picks for Brandin Cooks is worth it. How much impact is a draft pick going to have - perhaps none at all, certainly unlikely to be starting from day one. A team which trades for Butler knows he can slot into their backfield and go toe to toe with the top wide receivers in the league and that equals value (if you have cap room and picks).
     
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    Personally, I think that there is a better use for $14M of cap room than franchising Butler. I expect us to re-sign Bademosi and also sign a couple of corners.

    Gilmore is really our replacement for Butler as our #1 corner. Butler is likely to be too expensive to be re-signed as our #2. I wouldn't be at all shocked if Belichick is comfortable with Rowe and Bademosi as the #2 and #3 corners, with Jones as the nickel back. This is true especially if we consider who we might sign for the money it would take to re-sign Butler.

    BOTTOM LINE
    If we are looking to signing a top level free agent, LB is a better choice.

     
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    HailHydra Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    My Predictions
    1. Nate Solder - Released. We have our backup tackles performing admirably so far and Solder isn't the LT he once was.

    2. Malcolm Butler - Released. He hasn't brought the same level of play from the past and he is going to be 28. Doesn't seem like having a 28 year old corner on a long-term deal would be the best move - especially when we have contributors playing on a similar level lower on the depth chart.

    3. Burkhead - Signed to another 1 year.

    4. Bademosi - 2 year deal. He played really well and he's gonna be cheap enough for the team to resign.

    5. Slater - Released.

    6. Fleming - Signed if possible but a weak OT class could jack up the salary.

    7. Amendola - Released.

    8. Lewis - Signed to a 2 year deal.

    9. Waddle - Signed to a long-term deal.


    In the draft, I see us picking up a DE in the 1st round and then a CB and OT in 2nd round. Then I see a RB, S, and WR being picked up.
     
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    I currently have DT at #6, but I was doing a top 5. :)
     
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  17. Pats1989

    Pats1989 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    This is the type of thread you'd expected started up on the Browns forum. That said:

    1. LB. Hightower has proven to be great when healthy. That said, I have concerns about his health. Look for another one to add to what they have.

    2. DE. Have to see which free agent/ and or top draft candidates are out there.

    3. A new tight end will be needed (likely) when Brady goes for his 10th ring by 2025 or so.
     
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    No. JJ is
     
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    PatriotReign In the Starting Line-Up

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    I'm not as high on Jonathan Jones as some on this board. He doesn't play to his speed and is poor at changing direction. They tried putting him on Sanders for one play against the Donkeys and he got absolutely barbecued.
     
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    I like him
     

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