2017 Minicamp Thread

[BobDigital]

Soft

IDK if it'd say he's soft yet. Brady has been an iron man and we take that for granted, Most NFL QBs aren't that tough. I will say though his toughness is something to monitor going forward.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Soft

I'll stir the pot.....

I bet Tom doesn't miss a snap.

He will hide pain from his coaches and teammates at all costs.

That is why I'm fairly sure he did have a concussion, Gisele knew and no one on the NEP did.

The dude would play with ice picks sticking out of his sack.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Jimmy G definitely has the talent to a franchise QB but I question if he has the durability to last a full season. For that reason, I am in favor of keeping brady and trading Jimmy G and looking for a future franchise QB with the draft pick we get in return.

 

[AtomicDawg]

 

[RobertWeathers]

Jimmy G definitely has the talent to a franchise QB but I question if he has the durability to last a full season. For that reason, I am in favor of keeping brady and trading Jimmy G and looking for a future franchise QB with the draft pick we get in return.

There is no doubt Tom has an elite, absurd level of toughness and a very high threshold for pain.

The question is does or can Jimmy get to that level and still make plays on the field.

That is absolutely an open question.

I'm not saying Jimmy is a sissy. He just hasn't proven it yet. For example today he could be genuinely limited. No need to push it in mini camp but still..

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Aiya. It's early June. Plenty of players are kept out or removed from the field for even the slightest of dings. There's no reason to doubt someone's toughness or durability; they're trying to stay healthy for the actual season. The offseason is the worst around here . . .

. . . apart from game day threads, that is.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Aiya. It's early June. Plenty of players are kept out or removed from the field for even the slightest of dings. There's no reason to doubt someone's toughness or durability; they're trying to stay healthy for the actual season. The offseason is the worst around here . . .

. . . apart from game day threads, that is.

Seeing how Jimmy hurt his shoulder last year his durability is a legit question.

As a 1st year starter the same questions surrounded Steve Young.

With Young the toughness was there, the question was can he stay healthy. He eventually proved that until he reached his mid-30s.

If Jimmy goes on to make 45 consecutive starts then it is no longer a question.

 

[p8ryts]

Burkhead won't be both a core special-teamer on the Pats AND a significant part of the offense. There's simply too much to learn on offense every week for him to be spending CBA-limited practice snaps on ST work.

The $3.15M the Pats are spending on him for just the one season seems a very strong indication that they expect him to be a significant part of the offense.

If Burkhead ends up a core special-teamer at Bolden's level of participation, it would seem likely that he failed to meet those expectations.

Not necessary, it was noted earlier that Chung is on 4 teams, and other starters are on multiple teams.

 

[varjao]

a couple of thoughts on the current discussions


3. I can't see Amendola being cut for the same reason. While clearly less physically gifted than his competiton, DA has proven over and over that he can be DEPENDED on in key moments. The Pats are not going to give up THAT characteristic simply to replace him with better talent. I know that sounds counter intutitive to the usual Pats experiece of getting younger and cheaper, but that's what I think.

Exactly, just look at the receptions he's made in the SB, specially that one in the overtime. That's why HE will be remembered in history, not AJ Green.

 

[mgteich]

Why would that seem unlikely?

I don't EXPECT a player to come back from injuries and produce at a level that was by far the very best in his career. I'm not sure that I would expect this without the injury. So, yeah. I think that is unlikely that a player comes back from a season-ending injury to produce at the very best that he has ever produced. Also, another factor in making such assessment is his previous injury history.

 

[varjao]

Biscuitt may have shown some improvement from last year (we don't know that, I'm just conjecturing), but that's still not enough, he was so raw in his rookie season, that if he only shows some "improvement", that's not enough to play QB for this franchise that relies so heavily on precision and timing in the offense.

I wonder if he is not a better fit being a backup for Cam Newton or some other offense where he could use his skills better and not disrupt the offense. In this case with some positive notes from Belichick some other team could take a flyer on him for a 4th or 5th rounder. I can't see him being anything other than a backup in NE, and a Bryan Hoyer kind of backup, not Jimmy G type.

 

[mgteich]

Not necessary, it was noted earlier that Chung is on 4 teams, and other starters are on multiple teams.

Someone needs to make up for the reps of Mingo, Grissom and now Bolden. If Bulkhead cannot be on several of the special team units, then he is not solving much of the problem. BTW, this presumes that both Ebner and King will be back.

But, yes, in ADDITION to the players that play primarily on special teams, there are players like McCourty and others who will contribute on special teams.

 

[Love The Drake]

Biscuitt may have shown some improvement from last year (we don't know that, I'm just conjecturing), but that's still not enough, he was so raw in his rookie season, that if he only shows some "improvement", that's not enough to play QB for this franchise that relies so heavily on precision and timing in the offense.

I wonder if he is not a better fit being a backup for Cam Newton or some other offense where he could use his skills better and not disrupt the offense. In this case with some positive notes from Belichick some other team could take a flyer on him for a 4th or 5th rounder. I can't see him being anything other than a backup in NE, and a Bryan Hoyer kind of backup, not Jimmy G type.

Hoyer was underrated.

 

[patchick]

Someone needs to make up for the reps of Mingo, Grissom and now Bolden.

Have you mentally cut Grissom, then?

IMO there will be plenty of quality competition for the ST snaps. In addition to vets like Bolden, Grissom, Burkhead, O'Shaughnessy, King, Ebner, J. Jones and Slater, the UDFA class is stacked with ST potential. Any of Langi, D. Jones, Thompson and the Hollisters could easily be in the mix if they show well in camp.

 

[flasox27]

Biscuitt may have shown some improvement from last year (we don't know that, I'm just conjecturing), but that's still not enough, he was so raw in his rookie season, that if he only shows some "improvement", that's not enough to play QB for this franchise that relies so heavily on precision and timing in the offense.

I wonder if he is not a better fit being a backup for Cam Newton or some other offense where he could use his skills better and not disrupt the offense. In this case with some positive notes from Belichick some other team could take a flyer on him for a 4th or 5th rounder. I can't see him being anything other than a backup in NE, and a Bryan Hoyer kind of backup, not Jimmy G type.

I think BB realized the type of QB Brisett was when he drafted him and if he becomes the eventual successor to Brady the offense will be designed around him. If anyone does not fit the current Pats offense it's Garapollo who doesn't have the durability or arm strength. He is more of a dink and dunk West Coast offense QB

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I think BB realized the type of QB Brisett was when he drafted him and if he becomes the eventual successor to Brady the offense will be designed around him. If anyone does not fit the current Pats offense it's Garapollo who doesn't have the durability or arm strength. He is more of a dink and dunk West Coast offense QB

I think JAG is more like TB12 because of the super-quick release and (not to Tom's level of course) super-quick reads of the D and high accuracy. A certain level of arm strength is needed and JAG has it, but quick read, quick release, and accuracy are all way more important than a cannon-like arm, in the NE offense.

 

[supafly]

I think JAG is more like TB12 because of the super-quick release and (not to Tom's level of course) super-quick reads of the D and high accuracy. A certain level of arm strength is needed and JAG has it, but quick read, quick release, and accuracy are all way more important than a cannon-like arm, in the NE offense.

I would agree with you if we're making a straight up comparison as to which backup better suits the current system. Also, the durability concerns would be the same with any team.

Taking it one step further, I'm somewhat hesitant to pour too much into that issue right now, since all we know is that he missed reps one day in a June mini-camp. I will admit that I have more concern for him than I did yesterday, but I'm pumping the brakes on what will surely be driven home time and again all summer long.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't EXPECT a player to come back from injuries and produce at a level that was by far the very best in his career. I'm not sure that I would expect this without the injury. So, yeah. I think that is unlikely that a player comes back from a season-ending injury to produce at the very best that he has ever produced. Also, another factor in making such assessment is his previous injury history.

He is a year removed from the injury.
There is no reason to not expect his ability to return to what it was.
Whether he is made of glass or not is a different story but to doubt his ability is silly.

 

[long distance]

 

[reflexblue]

Soft

Brittle....