2017 Draft Prospect Thread

[WaterfallJumper]

Which CBs haven't panned out? Milner? He's the only real bust. It happens. Jones did fine on defense. 150 coverage snaps and gave up like 2 catches. Kirkpatrick has been a starter every year. Landon Collins has been exceptional. Etc. The Bama players are a pretty good bet.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Im totally in love with Mixon as a player. He's my number one offensive prospect (in terms of players we need along with having a realistic shot at getting)
His off the field issues seem to be, not blown out of proportion, but theyre being brought to attention because of the great player he is, and the actual proof from that video. Many other players (i.e Dede westbrook) or even worse Tyreek Hill ( punched and strangled his PREGNANT girlfriend) are getting/got the benefit of the doubt.
Seeing he checks out, I would be fine taking him with anything later then a 4th.

Going Jake butt with one of our 3rd, and Mixon with our 4th, would allow this team to draft all D in the first rounds, yet address our few offensive needs with top tear talent, and be stacked for years to come.

Mixon in the Offense would be INSANE

Yeah, the love for Hill (featured all over NFL.com) contrasted with the hate for Mixon is driving me insane. What Hill did is arguably far worse, but there's not a video for public consumption. Furthermore, Mixon apologised with tears, said he'd like to help with organizations and shelters for women, and also said he hopes to become a teacher/role model for kids to help them avoid his mistakes. Isn't this what Vick did, essentially? He paid his debts, and he got a second chance. That's how society should work. If the kid's reformed, give him a shot. He's 20. He's got time to grow. Put him next to Matthew Slater, and let him mature.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Eh day 3 shot?

Really should have gone back to school but the truth is next years potential class of RB's mightbe better.


Landon Collins first player in NFL History to have 100+ solo tackles, 2+sacks , 5 INT's, 12+ passes defended.

 

[Kontradiction]

Mixon is a hell of a player but, refresh my memory someone, has there ever been a history of the Patriots pulling the trigger on a player in the draft with a history (albeit one instance) of domestic violence? I'm having a hard time of thinking of any off the top of my head.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

Eh day 3 shot?

Really should have gone back to school but the truth is next years potential class of RB's mightbe better.


Landon Collins first player in NFL History to have 100+ solo tackles, 2+sacks , 5 INT's, 12+ passes defended.

I really wanted Collins when he slipped. We needed brown, but collins would've been nice.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

Yeah, the love for Hill (featured all over NFL.com) contrasted with the hate for Mixon is driving me insane. What Hill did is arguably far worse, but there's not a video for public consumption. Furthermore, Mixon apologised with tears, said he'd like to help with organizations and shelters for women, and also said he hopes to become a teacher/role model for kids to help them avoid his mistakes. Isn't this what Vick did, essentially? He paid his debts, and he got a second chance. That's how society should work. If the kid's reformed, give him a shot. He's 20. He's got time to grow. Put him next to Matthew Slater, and let him mature.

I mean, the perception across the league is very confusing.

Good example. Dorial Green-Beckham. Not only did he have like 3 other cases of issues, including punching and pushing his girlfriend down a flight of steeps, along with steeling a laptop, an arrest, and 2 failed drug test, and being kicked out of his school. Yet he was taken in the 2nd round last year. Quite frankly, I'm much higher on Mixon then I ever was on DGB. With the success of hill this season, I think people might be surprised when he is actually taken fairly high (4th plus).

Again I could be wrong, but he's more talented then all of them. Heres to hoping he checks out, and bill and Mr.Kraft are willing to bend their own rules to **** the league moving forward.

 

[manxman2601]

Helluva safety class confirmed.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

Which CBs haven't panned out? Milner? He's the only real bust. It happens. Jones did fine on defense. 150 coverage snaps and gave up like 2 catches. Kirkpatrick has been a starter every year. Landon Collins has been exceptional. Etc. The Bama players are a pretty good bet.

Actually the list is fairly long when it comes to Corners (not safeties) from Alabama which have been drafted high, and have failed to live up to their draft position. At least in the Saban era. Not all of these players have been "bust" but most have had sub-par careers which have been riddled with inconsistency.

2010 Kareem Jackson. 1st round, pick 20. Hes graded out from PFF negatively 4-7 of his seasons, with 3 of those season allowing a QBR of OVER 100.

2012 Dre Kirkpatrick 1st round, pick 17. This its the first year in his 5 year career where he has graded out even remotely comparable to his draft position. I mean, that's a bust if you ask me for the 17th pick.

2103 Dee Milliner 1s round, pick 7 I don't think I need to describe this in detail

Then you have Jones, who we don't know how he will turn out just yet, but as of now, he wasn't exactly proven his worth of that second round pick, maybe a 3rd. Lets hope I'm proven wrong

Its just my opinion, but I think history under saban at Alabama proves his corners just aren't worth the draft capital teams have been paying for them. The safeties, most defiantly. The corners.... not so much

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Mixon is a hell of a player but, refresh my memory someone, has there ever been a history of the Patriots pulling the trigger on a player in the draft with a history (albeit one instance) of domestic violence? I'm having a hard time of thinking of any off the top of my head.

Honestly w/out looking I'd bet a small sum on 100% No w/ the Krafts. They don't **** around w/ domestic violence, kids, etc. It's just a no-no. Biggest reason why I just dont see him here. Let someone else reap the benefits or suffer the consequences. This draft is full of people who can take the offense, defense and S/T's to another level.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Actually the list is fairly long when it comes to Corners (not safeties) from Alabama which have been drafted high, and have failed to live up to their draft position. At least in the Saban era. Not all of these players have been "bust" but most have had sub-par careers which have been riddled with inconsistency.

2010 Kareem Jackson. 1st round, pick 20. Hes graded out from PFF negatively 4-7 of his seasons, with 3 of those season allowing a QBR of OVER 100.

2012 Dre Kirkpatrick 1st round, pick 17. This its the first year in his 5 year career where he has graded out even remotely comparable to his draft position. I mean, that's a bust if you ask me for the 17th pick.

2103 Dee Milliner 1s round, pick 7 I don't think I need to describe this in detail

Then you have Jones, who we don't know how he will turn out just yet, but as of now, he wasn't exactly proven his worth of that second round pick, maybe a 3rd. Lets hope I'm proven wrong

Its just my opinion, but I think history under saban at Alabama proves his corners just aren't worth the draft capital teams have been paying for them. The safeties, most defiantly. The corners.... not so much

Ehhhh, I don't really put much stock in PFF. Jackson is still a starter after 7 seasons. That's so far above league average that it puts him as a solid hit (not necessarily homerun). Same for Kirkpatrick. It's not their fault that teams overpaid for their performance. They're still decent players.

The current crop of Alabama corners looks much better. Fitzpatrick has serious instincts and playmaking ability. Humphrey is really sound in his assignments. Sure, they get beat on occasion, but I think they're very good players who would do well on any team in the NFL.

In terms of value, though, I agree that we can target other players later. I'm warming to Conley, for example. He's a pretty nice player out on the perimeter.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

Ehhhh, I don't really put much stock in PFF. Jackson is still a starter after 7 seasons. That's so far above league average that it puts him as a solid hit (not necessarily homerun). Same for Kirkpatrick. It's not their fault that teams overpaid for their performance. They're still decent players.

The current crop of Alabama corners looks much better. Fitzpatrick has serious instincts and playmaking ability. Humphrey is really sound in his assignments. Sure, they get beat on occasion, but I think they're very good players who would do well on any team in the NFL.

In terms of value, though, I agree that we can target other players later. I'm warming to Conley, for example. He's a pretty nice player out on the perimeter.

The problem is, its truly hard to see in their flaws because of that Alabama front 7 is just INSANE. In the game tape Ive watched, they sometimes get beat, but they ALMOST never have to hold down players for 3+ seconds, just look at the game last week. Jake couldn't even pass the ball more then 5 yards, although they were beat several times, he just couldn't make the pass to get it to them.

Ps. Fitzpatrick SHOULD NOT have been in the game after that blow to the head he took early in the game. I felt bad they threw him back in the Game. Bama does that often, and its one of the few things I dislike about Saban. And I'm no softie when it comes to concussion protocol, that was just bad.

 

[meatface]

Im totally in love with Mixon as a player. He's my number one offensive prospect (in terms of players we need along with having a realistic shot at getting)
His off the field issues seem to be, not blown out of proportion, but theyre being brought to attention because of the great player he is, and the actual proof from that video. Many other players (i.e Dede westbrook) or even worse Tyreek Hill ( punched and strangled his PREGNANT girlfriend) are getting/got the benefit of the doubt.
Seeing he checks out, I would be fine taking him with anything later then a 4th.

Going Jake butt with one of our 3rd, and Mixon with our 4th, would allow this team to draft all D in the first rounds, yet address our few offensive needs with top tear talent, and be stacked for years to come.

Mixon in the Offense would be INSANE

someone is going to draft Mixon and I bet as we get further away from the incident some teams are going to forget about it. Then again we dont know if this incident was a one off or if teams view him as a jerk, we have seen talented players drop because teams did not like them personally. Look at AJ Mcarron, guy came into the draft so full of himself and it really turned teams off, obviously Mixon's situation is different but if he acts humble then I think teams will be more inclined to take him.

 

[meatface]

Mixon is a hell of a player but, refresh my memory someone, has there ever been a history of the Patriots pulling the trigger on a player in the draft with a history (albeit one instance) of domestic violence? I'm having a hard time of thinking of any off the top of my head.

didnt Hernandez have one with his girlfriend in college?

 

[Kontradiction]

didnt Hernandez have one with his girlfriend in college?

Hernandez had a lot of fist fights in college but I can't recall his girlfriend ever catching those hands.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

didnt Hernandez have one with his girlfriend in college?

Probably not the best example for Mixon to bring up in an interview with the Patriots.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

2 teams I'd bet small fortunes on not drafting him are the Patriots or Packers. GB drafts choir boys for the most part. The Patriots take chances but drafting Mixon is a huge statement like it or not. You have embrace and accept him 110% into the community. I just dont see that happening here.

 

[fightingirish595]

Which CBs haven't panned out? Milner? He's the only real bust. It happens. Jones did fine on defense. 150 coverage snaps and gave up like 2 catches. Kirkpatrick has been a starter every year. Landon Collins has been exceptional. Etc. The Bama players are a pretty good bet.

Not one good player has been drafted from bama after the first round that saban recruited. Plenty of first round busts too. Lately they have been better though

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Not one good player has been drafted from bama after the first round that saban recruited. Plenty of first round busts too. Lately they have been better though

I don't even know where to begin on this one, man. I think you're just biased against Saban.

 

[fightingirish595]

I don't even know where to begin on this one, man. I think you're just biased against Saban.

Can you name me one good alabama player that saban recruited that got drafted after the first round. His players generally have less room to grow when they come into the league

Edit: sorry forgot collins was drafted with 33rd pick

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Lacy has done pretty well when under 260

Reed and Henry are playing well this year.

Upshaw is a decent player, admittedly drafted too high.