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Well I don't mean the wheels will fully come off... but they will run in more TDs at the goal line instead of pass. Stafford will have a few ints. He'll have some bad games. I think he ends the year 40 TDs 7 Ints or something like that. Still really good. But considering he doesn't run well at all and Maye has done what he's done with a lot less, he can beat that.

If Stafford ends something like 41 TDs 7 Ints 66% 7.8YPA and 4500 yards or something.
Maye ends 33 TDs 8 Ints 500 rushing yards 4 rushing 71% 8.8YPA an 4400 yards. I think you give it to Maye.

You need to consider he has worse everything... WRs, OL, RB and Defense. Plus a new system to learn. And if they get first seed in the AFC i don't see how it isn't him if they are about this close... Even if LAR also get the first seed.

Now if Stafford get 45 TDs and a similar stat line than the above, that is probably too much, but i don't think that happens.
Even with everything you're saying making sense I don't think they give to Maye in his first run at MVP if he doesn't have more yards, more TDs, and less ints (at least 2 of 3). That's just where the eyes go first and since Stafford is well established he'll get it unless Maye makes it harder to deny.

And I don't disagree with that either I know MVP is a single season award but it shouldn't be given out easily to someone who could be a flash in the pan. (And I'm obviously not saying Maye will be that but from a voters perspective I don't think they can make assumptions)

So either you crush everyone in the stats or you need a season to establish yourself first to win a close one vs an otherwise proven player.
 
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What do you think is every Teams hope going into the season Winning a MVP?? That accomplishment can only go to one player. The Lombardi on the other hand goes to the TEAM!
What the hell are you talking about Pf2?
You said “Maybe it's just me but I would take a Deep Playoffs run over the MVP.”

I’m saying anyone who cheers for an MVP over team success is not a real fan.
 
What the hell are you talking about Pf2?
You said “Maybe it's just me but I would take a Deep Playoffs run over the MVP.”

I’m saying anyone who cheers for an MVP over team success is not a real fan.
And you misunderstood what I said: read what I said again. You're the only one who seem not to understand it. You sound like you have an axe to grind.
 
This has been brought up a bit. Where is Maye in this race? MAYE as well have a thread about it. Right now i see 8 players in the running... Mahomes will be the 9th once he gets a winning record. First I'll talk about what is IMO the clear current 8 then give my order after. This will include stat lines and some general thoughts both good and bad potentially. In Alphabetical order.

Allen - (only 5 games) 9 TDs 2 Ints 1,217 yards 70.4% 8.0YPA 3 rush TD 211rush yds 1 fumble (4-1 BUF) 108.5 Passer rating.
He plays tonight and that will help or hurt his case. Running is such a big part of his game and when you include those stats he looks a lot better. His offense is near the top in the league and he is doing it yet again with a subpar cast. But it isn't THAT bad. It gets thrown under the bus a little to elevate Allen more, but his line is really solid and he has reliable. Keys wins are the Ravens week 1, when they were still a playoff team with Lamar and fairly healthy going in. His lost to the Patriots is the main negative against him. It was arguably his most important game to that point and he didn't look great.

Darnold - 11 TDs 3 Ints 1,541 yards 70.8% 9.6YPA 40 rush yds (4-2 SEA) 115.8 Passer rating.
That YPA is pretty insane. Good cast, not great. Offense ranks 5th overall. He has played 4 good opponents. Beat the Steelers and Jags. But lost to the Bucs and 49ers. Can't really put that Bucs loss on him though. However losing to them and the 49ers is not great. Those are the 2 most important games on your schedule to this point, going 0-2 is not good.

Goff - 14 TDs 2 Ints 1,390 yards 75.9% 8.0YPA 16 rush yards (4-2 DET) 120.6 Passer rating. #2 best offense.
Also the league in passer rating (for active QBs) and passing TDs. He has put up great numbers but had a great cast to help him.. still. He would arguably be in the lead if not for one huge issue. In his 2 biggest games of the year he has come up short vs KC and GB. And worse, he scored only 30 points in them both combined. Can't be MVP if you do that. Next comes the Bucs. If he fails to produce in that one he is out of the running all together pretty much no matter what his stats say. Beating up on bad team with a great cast does not an MVP make.

Jones - 8 TDs 3 Ints 1,502 yards 71.7% 8.3YPA 4 rush TD 76 rush yds (5-1 IND) 105.1 Passer rating. #1 ranked offense.
Jones has not been given enough credit for his season so far, will it last? Probably not, but so far so good. Indy has THE BEST offense in the NFL (going by PPG which is what i tend to go by). Colts have a good cast, but you don't becomes the #1 offense alone, and i wouldn't call it great. They won the most important game on their schedule to date against the Broncos, but lost to the Rams. If there was one thing to hold against them, it would be while they have been kind of tested... not the way other teams have. The Broncos and LAR are pretty good, but they still feel like teams in that 2nd tier... could be wrong.

Love (only 5 games) 9 TDs 2 Ints 1,259 yards 70.1% 8.6YPA 88 rush yds 1 fumble (4-1 GB) 110.9 Passer rating. #8 best offense.
And he is doing it without a top 10 cast, though i hesitate to call them mid. Won the most important games on his schedule so far vs the Lions and WSH. You can't blame him for he tie to the cowboys really. He has just been really solid so far this year. He has one of the most solid cases, but i think he has lacked some big splash plays. Though that shouldn' disqualify him .

Maye 10 TDs 2 Ints 1,522 yards 73.2% 8.5YPA 2 rush TD 1 fumble 138 yds (4-2 NWE) 112.5 Passer rating. #11 offense.
Key win is the Bills, key loss is the Steelers, which you can blame on Maye a fair amount, though a lot of things went against him too, but still the int in the endzone was huge. His cast for all their improvement compared to last year is still the worst of anyone on this list. Run game is the worst of any MVP candidate and he is making his cast look better than they are, though they aren't horrible. Has the best single win of anyone on this list vs the Bills as GB's D had more to due with their win over the Lions than their offense IMO. So that is maybe the strongest part of his case.

Mayfield 12 TDs 1 Int 1,539 yards 66.2% 7.9YPA 158 rush yds (5-1 TB) 108.5 passer rating. #6 offense
Key wins Seahawks and 49ers. Key loss is Eagles. Mayfield really has turned it around recently. And while you might think his cast was stacked if you were paying attention they have been dealing with injuries all year, so it is has been pretty mid overall. Still good, but mid to this point. It makes one wonder if he can keep this up now when they get right what kind of numbers they'll put up. His win vs the Seahawks was his best of the year and the kind win MVPs have. His win vs the 49ers was good too, but turnovers, penalties, and the defense getting 6 sacks kind of made a bit more of a passenger. Not to say he wasn't still the biggest part, but it is worthy of note i suppose. Also unlike some of these guys who've had very good seasons but don't pass the 'MVP eyeball test' . He does.

Stafford - 12 TDs 2 Ints 1,684 yards 66.5% 8.1YPA 1 fumble -3 rush yds (4-2 LAR) 106.2 Passer rating. It is worth noting LAR are scoring only 23.3 PPG which puts them in about the exact middle of the league. So while Stafford is putting up impressive numbers, it isn't translating to the actual results they'd want. Key games.. Lost to the Eagles and 49ers, beat the colts. It is worth noting in their 2 losses t he offense did okay and it was more the D that let them down. The Eagles game probably should have been a win. Kind of of a fluke ending. He's had good support all year offensively.

I will wait for the Bills to play to give my thoughts on the current order, but I'll put this up as i have it right now as i think this is going to be a fun topic to discuss all year. Early thoughts though? Mayefield, Maye, Allen and Love to me right at this moment feel a bit ahead of the rest.
I'll say it again.. goody Goodell is giving it to Taylor.. Barkley got snubbed for it last season so it will be a make up call.. Taylor is gonna be the MVP.. the NFL will do a make up call..
 
What the hell are you talking about Pf2?
You said “Maybe it's just me but I would take a Deep Playoffs run over the MVP.”

I’m saying anyone who cheers for an MVP over team success is not a real fan.
Some say real fan?

 
I’m saying anyone who cheers for an MVP over team success is not a real fan.
Is the MVP cheer different than the "team success" cheer?
Louder?
Shriller?
Breathier?
 
And you misunderstood what I said: read what I said again. You're the only one who seem not to understand it. You sound like you have an axe to grind.
Let’s clear this up.
It’s the way you wrote it.
I understand your stance, you would rather a deep playoff run, as would any real fan.
When you wrote “maybe it’s just me”, I’m saying it’s not just you, every real fan would take team success over player accolades.
So, we both agree, team success is paramount.
I was simply saying it’s not just you!
No axe, no grinding wheel my friend.
 
Is the MVP cheer different than the "team success" cheer?
Louder?
Shriller?
Breathier?
What does the even mean?
As Tommy pointed out, there are a select few fans who care more about individual awards than team success.
I am the polar opposite.
I don’t care how many MVPs Brady has, couldn’t care less. Only thing I care about is the 6 SB wins. I would trade all his MVPs for 1 more SB, and I’m sure he would too.
 
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Maye is currently 2nd. Which is kind of interesting to me. Maye it seems has been 2nd place on and off for well over a month with a new top dog after the favorite lays an egg. Mayfield was in the lead then had some subpar games and he loses the spot. Allen bear Mahomes and now Allen is the top dog. Allen loses to Miami, now Stafford is the top dog. All the while Maye just keeps holding on to 2nd place as everyone slowly gives reasons why it shouldn't be them.

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And if Maye beats BUF and BALT and goes 14-3, he may be the MVP, if Mahomes doesn't bring his team to the AFC Championship game.
 
Right now Stafford is on pace for nearly 50 TDs and 4 Ints.
50 TD/4 INT is sick. Very hard not to make him MVP if he keeps that pace.
Stafford is tearing it up which is going under the radar. I think it's going to come down to whether he or Maye gets the #1 seed.
 
FWIW here is the list of the people who voted last year.

 
Voters will look at the fact Stafford is near the end and has never won before. That it will ensure him a place in the HOF. He will win it barring a major collapse. Jmo.

My vote would be: Maye, Taylor, and Stafford. The first two are the best players on their team by far. Neither team is even in a WC spot without them.
 
I'll settle for Drake being the Superbowl MVP (as long as we win it).
 
Voters will look at the fact Stafford is near the end and has never won before. That it will ensure him a place in the HOF. He will win it barring a major collapse. Jmo.

My vote would be: Maye, Taylor, and Stafford. The first two are the best players on their team by far. Neither team is even in a WC spot without them.
I wouldn't count Darnold out right now. If Seattle beats Rams and goes on a hot streak to the end, there's going to be a lot of pressure to consider him.
 
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