NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION AFCDG: Buffalo Bills at Denver Broncos

[NFL Mystique]

I read that Brady wasnt enamored with Cooks and thats why the Pats bailed after 1 season of him.

He is talented and fast. Yet, teams cannot get rid of him fast enough.

 

[stcjones]

I looked at the video several times today and that was definitely an excellent interception by the Denver cornerback…..ball was still moving and not in full possession and he basically ripped it away…..incredible play!

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

You must survive the ground.

That takes longer than 1 second.

Not if you look at past calls. "Survive the ground" commonly means "hitting the ground" with other ref crews. If the player hits the ground and the ball does not move but the player drops the ball a second later, it is still called a catch in other circumstances.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Not if you look at past calls. "Survive the ground" commonly means "hitting the ground" with other ref crews. If the player hits the ground and the ball does not move but the player drops the ball a second later, it is still called a catch in other circumstances.

They just showed the video several times on Gameday Morning. The camera angle from the Bills end clearly shows when he hit the ground the ball was moving from his hands. So really it wasn't even one second, the ball was loosed and becuase the ball didn't hit the ground it was live and the Broncos DB ripped it away.
I would hate if that call went against us, but it was the right call.

 

[Triumph]

Not if you look at past calls. "Survive the ground" commonly means "hitting the ground" with other ref crews. If the player hits the ground and the ball does not move but the player drops the ball a second later, it is still called a catch in other circumstances.

No its not.

A catch isnt like a RB breaking the plane of the goaline where that act ends the play. The ball cannot move around after WRs surviving the ground. Obviously Cook lost the ball after hitting the ground.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm watching NFL Gameday Morning right now. They just did a detailed segment on the play and showed it several times. It certainly looks like when he hits the ground the ball is not completely in his hands.

Saw something similar but I don't see the ball moving around.

I have no dog in this fight, but the ball certainly moved when he hit the ground.

Me neither. My issue is with the officiating and the rule itself.

 

[1960Pats]

And there is differentiator, he was not a RUNNER.
He was in the process of completing the catch going to the ground.
1 feet, 2 feet, one knee...makes no difference.
He has to survive the ground and maintain possession.
I just watched the video several times, the angle from the Bills end of the field clearly shows the ball move away from his hands as soon as he hit the ground.

Would that make it an incomplete pass?

 

[Triumph]

They just showed the video several times on Gameday Morning. The camera angle from the Bills end clearly shows when he hit the ground the ball was moving from his hands. So really it wasn't even one second, the ball was loosed and becuase the ball didn't hit the ground it was live and the Broncos DB ripped it away.
I would hate if that call went against us, but it was the right call.

Yeah, but there is a photo when Cooks has the ball and is touching the ground.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

No its not.

A catch isnt like a RB breaking the plane of the goaline where that act ends the play. The ball cannot move around after WRs surviving the ground. Obviously Cook lost the ball after hitting the ground.

Watch the 24 second mark.
The ball clearly moves as soon as Cooks hits the ground.
From that angle view it's actually extremely evident.

 

[RobertWeathers]

And there is differentiator, he was not a RUNNER.
He was in the process of completing the catch going to the ground.
1 feet, 2 feet, one knee...makes no difference.
He has to survive the ground and maintain possession.
I just watched the video several times, the angle from the Bills end of the field clearly shows the ball move away from his hands as soon as he hit the ground.

I'd need to see this.

 

[Triumph]

Watch the 24 second mark.
The ball clearly moves as soon as Cooks hits the ground.
From that angle view it's actually extremely evident.

Cooks did not survive the ground.

Case closed.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

They just showed the video several times on Gameday Morning. The camera angle from the Bills end clearly shows when he hit the ground the ball was moving from his hands. So really it wasn't even one second, the ball was loosed and becuase the ball didn't hit the ground it was live and the Broncos DB ripped it away.
I would hate if that call went against us, but it was the right call.

I did not see that angle. If true, then it is not a catch.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Cooks did not survive the ground.

Case closed.

You got it Triumph.

I did not see that angle. If true, then it is not a catch.

Watch the video I just posted, 24 second mark. Ball clearly is moving.

 

[Triumph]

Cooks is a choker just like he was in the Pats Superbowl where he tried to be a hurdler and got stuffed.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Watch the 24 second mark.
The ball clearly moves as soon as Cooks hits the ground.
From that angle view it's actually extremely evident.

OK thanks.

This was the visual evidence I was looking for.

Before the shoulder hits the ball is moving.

Correct call was made.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Cooks very obviously didn't survive the ground. I don't get the controversy around that play.

The only bad call was the first defensive PI on the next drive. The Bills defender TRIED to interfere but kept missing his grab at the receiver's arm lol. But there was roughing called on the play anyway so still would have been a first down for Denver, admittedly not all the way in FG range like it was.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Cooks very obviously didn't survive the ground. I don't get the controversy around that play.

The only bad call was the first defensive PI on the next drive. The Bills defender TRIED to interfere but kept missing his grab at the receiver's arm lol. But there was roughing called on the play anyway so still would have been a first down for Denver, admittedly not all the way in FG range like it was.

first 2 PIs were ticky tack after letting them play for 60 mins plus.
The last one on White had to be called, clear PI.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

first 2 PIs were ticky tack after letting them play for 60 mins plus.
The last one on White had to be called, clear PI.

Only two I remember were the last two. Don't recall the first one you're referring to. On that that second to last one though the defender literally tried to grab the guys arm he just missed. Shouldn't have been called IMO, but he honestly tricked the ref by trying to interfere.

The ticky tack PI call on the last drive down the left sideline (before the White) one had roughing the passer anyway though was one my point.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Only two I remember were the last two. Don't recall the first one you're referring to. On that that second to last one though the defender literally tried to grab the guys arm he just missed. Shouldn't have been called IMO, but he honestly tricked the ref by trying to interfere.

The ticky tack PI call on the last drive down the left sideline (before the White) one had roughing the passer anyway though was one my point.

Right.
And the Roughing call was legit.
Bosa is an idiot.
Bonehead play in the biggest moment.

 

[turkeyneck]

OT: Is there a pre-game thread going today that I can't see? [tap, tap. Is this thing on?]