NFL Trade Deadline Discourse

[Zuma]

Still deferring?

And what if he is a better fit in our Defense then Dugger.

 

[Zuma]

Sound like you agree it was a mistake to trade your #3 safety for basically nothing.

I agree they got a bad return.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree they got a bad return.

The return isn’t the real concern, the hope they created is. God forbid there’s an injury at S.

 

[Zuma]

The return isn’t the real concern, the hope they created is. God forbid there’s an injury at S.

Well it is the real concern because we didn't get a S in return. This is my point...it is not a good return because we got nothing. The trade should not have taken place.

 

[Edelmania]

Sound like you agree it was a mistake to trade your #3 safety for basically nothing.

It's possible they valued him and Pettus equally but gave the snaps to Dugger out of seniority/respect or in hope he would prove himself and earn that spot. He wasn't exactly playing very well though and certainly not making an impact.

Slight draft capital + slight savings + roster spot to give young player opportunity > washed vet that you know doesn't fit and for all we know isn't any better than his backup

 

[Ring 6]

It's possible they valued him and Pettus equally but gave the snaps to Dugger out of seniority/respect or in hope he would prove himself and earn that spot. He wasn't exactly playing very well though and certainly not making an impact.

Slight draft capital + slight savings + roster spot to give young player opportunity > washed vet that you know doesn't fit and for all we know isn't any better than his backup

When they had a safety injury Duggar played 100% of the snaps. Thats not what you do if you view 2 backups equally.
He played well.

 

[Ring 6]

Well it is the real concern because we didn't get a S in return. This is my point...it is not a good return because we got nothing. The trade should not have taken place.

Agree.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I posted this awhile back.
Thoughts on Gilmore signing and playing some FS.
Might be worth a shot.

FS? I doubt that.

Maybe covering TEs and RBs (players that are not too fast). Gilmore on T Kelce would erase Kelce.

 

[Edelmania]

When they had a safety injury Duggar played 100% of the snaps. Thats not what you do if you view 2 backups equally.
He played well.

Not sure what makes you think he played well. I didn't see him make any impact plays, I guess I maybe remember one or two good hits. He got burned for a TD on first play against the Saints. Graded the 62nd best safety (out of 88) by PFF, has 0 pass breakups and only 10 tackles on 184 snaps. And those impressive numbers are while they're trying their best to cater to his box safety play style while they clearly prefer someone who plays more free safety/deep zones.

And you don't know what they're thinking or what happens in practice. Like I said if him and Pettus are viewed as truly equal I would think Dugger would play out of respect and experience, or to give him a chance to prove his worth before sending him off.

 

[Ring 6]

Not sure what makes you think he played well. I didn't see him make any impact plays, I guess I maybe remember one or two good hits. He got burned for a TD on first play against the Saints. Graded the 62nd best safety (out of 88) by PFF, has 0 pass breakups and only 10 tackles on 184 snaps. And those impressive numbers are while they're trying their best to cater to his box safety play style while they clearly prefer someone who plays more free safety/deep zones.

And you don't know what they're thinking or what happens in practice. Like I said if him and Pettus are viewed as truly equal I would think Dugger would play out of respect and experience, or to give him a chance to prove his worth before sending him off.

He didn’t get burned for a Td. And he never should have been left man to man on a WR1. By the way according to your PFF that was the only catch he allowed in 2 starts.

I watched him play. He played well.

Other than that you are just making things up. Why would they play the guy they want to trade “out of respect”.
I’ve watched Pettus play. They aren’t equal.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, that shows how completely useless he truly is. They had a financial reason at the start of the season that they to try to make him fit. He was a disaster and had no choice but to cut bait and try to get anything for him.

Again, there was no way they were going to cut him before the season started because he would have made $30 million for one mediocre year. Financially, they had to try to make it work. But now he continues to be a failure, they can cut bait.

They easily could have cut him. Your argument that they were forced to keep him because of sunk cost is both idiotic and contrary to everything they have done

 

[mgteich]

I guess he wanted a younger player (no Budda Baker).

I don't think that an UDFA signing is relevant to whether we want to sign a Budda Baker.

 

[TommyD4207]

Disagree. In 24 when Duggar was crippled maybe but he is healthy now. He played well when he played.

He is not 'healthy', he never fully recovered from his ankle injury.
In no universe did he play 'well' at any point this year, except maybe the 4th quarter of a preseason game.

 

[Edelmania]

He didn’t get burned for a Td. And he never should have been left man to man on a WR1. By the way according to your PFF that was the only catch he allowed in 2 starts.

I watched him play. He played well.

Other than that you are just making things up. Why would they play the guy they want to trade “out of respect”.
I’ve watched Pettus play. They aren’t equal.

My bad 53 yard pass, he did make the tackle. He was not in man coverage, he was playing the deep half zone and got burnt, further proving that he's not a fit for what they need him to do. Maybe Rattler and Ward couldn't expose him further, but Mahomes and Allen would, and I bet they have a pretty good idea of his ability watching him try to defend deep passes from Maye everyday in practice. I guess we can agree to disagree that he played well.

Not making anything up, simply pointing out that you don't know everything that goes into decisions behind the scenes. They gave him a chance to prove his worth and they still felt he was expendable. Not saying Pettus is anything special but he flashed a couple times last year and I wouldn't be surprised if he is equal to Dugger at this point in their careers.

Edit:
Here's an example of Dugger's limited coverage ability against the Titans. In the first image look at how far away Woodson is from the receiver compared to Dugger. Woodson is already beginning to break on the pass before Ward even throws it while Dugger continues back peddling. By the time the ball gets to the receiver (second image) Woodson who came from the other side of the field is the same distance to the receiver as Dugger. The ball hits the receiver in the hands outside of the hashmark of the 19 yard line, about 5 yards away from where Dugger was standing when the ball was being thrown (while Woodson was already breaking on the pass from the other side of the field). Woodson made it from the inside of the numbers to the middle of the hashmarks while Dugger ended up maybe a yard closer to the play than where he was when Woodson started his break and the ball was being thrown. Luckily the receiver drops the pass.

Shows he is slow to diagnose, react, and break on the pass. Also thought he seems scared of getting burnt over the top so he's often playing too far off or too conservative. Also a testament to Woodson.

 

[n1997y]

When they had a safety injury Duggar played 100% of the snaps. Thats not what you do if you view 2 backups equally.
He played well.

He played so well they dumped him as soon as they could, and ate his salary to do so.

He played so well they replaced him by signing a UDFA rookie off the practice squad of a 2-6 team.

Thing is, playing 100% of those snaps gave the coaches a lot to look at. His play must’ve impressed the coaching staff beyond our ability to comprehend.

 

[scott99]

Dugger has not been good since his injury. And let’s not forget, he was a 24 year old rookie, so he’s getting up there in age, and was not a good fit in Vrabel’s defense. What are we complaining about ? We are 6-2 and Dugger sucked, we get out of that dumb contract the next few years.

 

[Rob0729]

They easily could have cut him. Your argument that they were forced to keep him because of sunk cost is both idiotic and contrary to everything they have done

In theory, he could been cut. In reality, there is no way you cut a player you gave a top of the market contract for his position and $30 million in guarantees after one season. It never happens. There is a reason why Sportstrac put when a player can be cut or traded when they breakdown the contracts of each player.

If Dugger was on the last year of his deal or still on a more manageable deal, he would been cut or traded before the start of the season. The only reason he was on the roster was his contract. People were talking about how much longer he would be with the team before the start of the season and that he would likely be cut or traded after this season.

 

[Rob0729]

Sound like you agree it was a mistake to trade your #3 safety for basically nothing.

If they don't consider him a #3 safety, then maybe it isn't. The fact that they traded Dugger for basically nothing and are willing to eat most of his salary tells you how little they value his contribution. They consider his roster spot move valuable than what he can do on the field.

Again we are talking about a back up safety who isn't playing well. This isn't trading away Dugger from 2023.

 

[Dec54]

What about the signing of John Saunders Jr, they obviously like him and he wouldn't be the first UDFA to make it when transferred.
Or have I got it wrong?

 

[PatsFanInVa]

So how many picks do we have in 26 now??

47, including 42 in the 6th round. Oh not really.