OT: NFL Ties

[Ian]

The tie last night obviously didn't help anyone in the picks contest, and I did modify it to where everyone got a win last night. I'm now trying to fix some things formula-wise across some things to deal with it since it's been a bit since two teams couldn't outscore the other.

I'm not a fan of ties. Does anyone else fall under the mindset that the league should make both teams attempt 2pt-style plays over and over until someone falters at the end of the OT period?

 

[sb1]

The tie last night obviously didn't help anyone in the picks contest, and I did modify it to where everyone got a win last night. I'm now trying to fix some things formula-wise across some things to deal with it since it's been a bit since two teams couldn't outscore the other.

I'm not a fan of ties. Does anyone else fall under the mindset that the league should make both teams attempt 2pt-style plays over and over until someone falters at the end of the OT period?

10 minutes is dumb. It should be 15 but I doubt players will agree to that.

I'm in favor of going back to true sudden death. Win the coin flip, kick the FG, ballgame. Not "fair"? Win in regulation then.

 

[Nikolai]

10 minutes is dumb. It should be 15 but I doubt players will agree to that.

I'm in favor of going back to true sudden death. Win the coin flip, kick the FG, ballgame. Not "fair"? Win in regulation then.

It's not perfect, but I tend to agree here. This was the solution for decades for a reason.

The "in-game" experience for my kids' generation (in that coveted 18-34 demographic) is a "second screen" problem and wacky OT and kickoff rules aren't going to fix that.

 

[maust]

I say we blame it on the Zebras. Usually they at least try a bit of subtlety but the blatant fix was shamefully showing on the non intentional grounding call last night. There were plenty of other moments but that was so blatant it was ridiculous

 

[Tunescribe]

10 minutes is dumb. It should be 15 but I doubt players will agree to that.

I'm in favor of going back to true sudden death. Win the coin flip, kick the FG, ballgame. Not "fair"? Win in regulation then.

The current kickoff rule pretty much precludes that -- too easy.

 

[ErniesPinkStripes]

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[Family]

I'm not a fan of ties. Does anyone else fall under the mindset that the league should make both teams attempt 2pt-style plays over and over until someone falters at the end of the OT period?

Before OT ties used to be part of the fabric of the NFL. I remember teams having 3-4 of them in a 14 game season.

Now they are so rare they only mess things up.

So yes with OT they have to figure out a winner in the game.

No one will like the idea, but give the win to the road team. Like in boxing where a tie goes to the champ. In betting they give 3 point advantage to the home team. If the home team can't take advantage of that, the road team gets the win.

 

[Froob]

For reg season, just do 15 mins and touchdown wins it.

 

[Nikolai]

I say we blame it on the Zebras. Usually they at least try a bit of subtlety but the blatant fix was shamefully showing on the non intentional grounding call last night. There were plenty of other moments but that was so blatant it was ridiculous

Given the rise of sports-betting, it wouldn't shock me in the least to find out that referees are encouraged to call things at certain times of the game to get the money moving in one direction or the other.

It really has challenged my love of the game. I generally only watch the Pats now (and sometimes the Cards if they're on locally).

 

[maust]

Given the rise of sports-betting, it wouldn't shock me in the least to find out that referees are encouraged to call things at certain times of the game to get the money moving in one direction or the other.

It really has challenged my love of the game. I generally only watch the Pats now (and sometimes the Cards if they're on locally).

There have always been moments in games that made me smh thinking 'the fix is in' but now with legalized national betting in combination with the surfeit of lawyers in our population I am sure it is only a matter of time before the league is getting sued over the lack of integrity in officiating.

 

[sb1]

The current kickoff rule pretty much precludes that -- too easy.

That's a good point. They'd have to look carefully at all the data with the new kickoff to figure out how easy it would be. Kickers are also kicking longer these days for some reason.

 

[Nikolai]

There have always been moments in games that made me smh thinking 'the fix is in' but now with legalized national betting in combination with the surfeit of lawyers in our population I am sure it is only a matter of time before the league is getting sued over the lack of integrity in officiating.

One can dream, I suppose. I feel like Goddell taking Brady to the mat in 2016 really spooked a lot of people, though...which was the point.

The NFL has been a literal license to print money, but I don't know if I'm alone in wondering if that stranglehold is loosening ever so slightly in the last several years.

The lack of truly elite QBs in the league hasn't helped either.

 

[maust]

One can dream, I suppose. I feel like Goddell taking Brady to the mat in 2016 really spooked a lot of people, though...which was the point.

The NFL has been a literal license to print money, but I don't know if I'm alone in wondering if that stranglehold is loosening ever so slightly in the last several years.

The lack of truly elite QBs in the league hasn't helped either.

There was so much that just stunk to high heaven about the Brady suspension it's hard to know where to start but the courts eventually holding that the commissioner had the CBA granted right to suspend a player regardless of the validity of the stated reason changed the way I've looked at the game ever since. From that moment on I've never doubted that it's only a sport to the fans, for everyone else involved it is straight up business.

 

[Bill Lee]

The current kickoff rule pretty much precludes that -- too easy.

Indeed the current kickoff rules and the fact that a 55 yard FG is now routine is gonna give us lots of ties.

How about a 10 minute OT with current rules except the FG is banished?

First team gets the ball and needs to score a TD. If they don't, next TD wins. With 10 minutes there aren't going to be a lot of drives so teams will have to **** or get off the pot. I think this will end up with the better team winning more often than not.

I don't like the 2 point try idea. Tush push will become even more entrenched if we do that.

 

[Steve102]

There have always been moments in games that made me smh thinking 'the fix is in' but now with legalized national betting in combination with the surfeit of lawyers in our population I am sure it is only a matter of time before the league is getting sued over the lack of integrity in officiating.

"Follow the money" ~Deepthroat/Mark Felt, All The President's Men.

 

[maust]

"Follow the money" ~Deepthroat/Mark Felt, All The President's Men.

Who makes money off it and how can that money be kept quiet are my jumping off points for most every conspiracy theory I am presented with. If it can past that initial sniff test the debunking doesn't need to go any further

 

[Ian]

Indeed the current kickoff rules and the fact that a 55 yard FG is now routine is gonna give us lots of ties.

How about a 10 minute OT with current rules except the FG is banished?

First team gets the ball and needs to score a TD. If they don't, next TD wins. With 10 minutes there aren't going to be a lot of drives so teams will have to **** or get off the pot. I think this will end up with the better team winning more often than not.

I don't like the 2 point try idea. Tush push will become even more entrenched if we do that.

I guess, but they could make the 2pt attempt a play from farther out. If they get to the one-yard line and run that play, then I feel like it's too bad for the other team. Should have stopped them sooner. After all, that would happen after overtime. They would have had 60+ minutes, an OT period, and probably at least a few other possessions to keep it going.

 

[Bill Lee]

There have always been moments in games that made me smh thinking 'the fix is in' but now with legalized national betting in combination with the surfeit of lawyers in our population I am sure it is only a matter of time before the league is getting sued over the lack of integrity in officiating.

OT, but as a fairly recent fan of F1 racing, the taint of cash buying influence is everywhere in that sport. It's not about gamblers so much as it is about behind-the-scenes things being done to make the sport more interesting, and for rich people to be able to wave their willies, and for those running the sport itself to enrich themselves.

Their biggest problem is that they have 24 races in a season and each venue needs to pump in $millions to host a race but in most seasons all the championship-level titles are decided with 8-10 races to go, and there is nothing like a playoff to keep attention till the end. So more often than not they have to manufacture drama otherwise those paying $millions for end-of-season races feel ripped off. This season isn't so bad since we're down to 7 races to go and there still is drama about who is going to win the championship, but for the last several years there was almost no drama left this time of year.

 

[Ring 6]

The tie last night obviously didn't help anyone in the picks contest, and I did modify it to where everyone got a win last night. I'm now trying to fix some things formula-wise across some things to deal with it since it's been a bit since two teams couldn't outscore the other.

I'm not a fan of ties. Does anyone else fall under the mindset that the league should make both teams attempt 2pt-style plays over and over until someone falters at the end of the OT period?

Head coaches duke it out at the 50, mma style.

 

[Bill Lee]

I guess, but they could make the 2pt attempt a play from farther out. If they get to the one-yard line and run that play, then I feel like it's too bad for the other team. Should have stopped them sooner. After all, that would happen after overtime. They would have had 60+ minutes, an OT period, and probably at least a few other possessions to keep it going.

My mental model for this is soccer. Their shootout has a lot of things going for it that the 2-pointer doesn't have going for it.

To me the biggest one is that it's easy on the officials. Deciding what is a clean goal is easy. In the NFL so much is going to be on the refs deciding to throw a flag or keep it in their pocket.

Also it's relatively quick and easy to have a best-of-five shootout. NFL would mean getting 22 guys onto the field, run a play, get a different 22 guys onto the field, etc.

Yet I do like the idea of deciding it on the field with no chance of a tie.