Is there a chance White gets traded

[mgteich]

So Dugger for a 7th and white for a 5th??

The difference is that we need Dugger as a sub at this point.

White may serve no purpose.

 

[signbabybrady]

When Efton Chism gets' his shot; I think we are going going to say what wasn't??

There's a world where both work out.

I think for now Vrabel seems happy with Chiz's summer but seems content not to rush things on him. Working through the other 5 WRs and figuring out their roles and pecking order seems to make more sense for now.

We'll see how all that works out and then Chiz can pick up any scraps that fall out from that and then obviously if injuries occur his chances will come.

 

[PatsFan2]

I feel like White is a player without a position. He's a tweener that doesn't fit on the team...so far. I think he has pro-bowl potential but maybe not with the Pats. While were at it...I'm starting to lean in the same direction with Douglas. Pop needs to be good at beating both man and zone...but he's not. Hollins in the slot fixes several issues that Pop has such as height / catch radius. Chism is probably better in zone coverage's....and possibly man.

The more Pass Rushers the better: use him in that role until his Rookie contract is up.

 

[Zuma]

The more Pass Rushers the better: use him in that role until his Rookie contract is up.

With the Pats I see him more of a LB...like a Mike...roaming pre-snap for opportunities to get to whoever has the ball. But I don't think that's his skill set and size. He would fit better on another team IMO.

Right now it's like "hey guys...what is going on over on the other side of the LOS".

 

[condon84]

I'd be totally fine moving him. Has tools but they haven't translated to being a good player yet because he lacks discipline. Stupid roughness penalties and refuses to set the EDGE. Many blamed Mayo but even as an inept coach there's no way he was telling players to commit stupid penalties and let the QB out of the pocket every play. At some point, if a guy looks totally inept he needs to be blamed himself. And fans eat up a lot of his quotes because he sounds like a tough gritty football player, but actually read what he says and it's all dripping in a lack of accountability.

Maybe the guy turns it around, but right now he seems like the definition of a losing football player. People here get mad at a lot of player quotes yet somehow he escapes peoples' wrath when he's far and away the biggest losing player/bad attitude quote machine on the team.

He was playing well at the beginning of last year when he was in the interior. Only when injuries had him playing out on edge did he look ineffective.

He should be a rotational player in the interior imo. At the very least he can come in as a pass rusher from the interior on obvioius passing downs.

If you look at the positive plays he made here against the Seahawks last year, he's much better coming from the insides vs outside




But if he doesn't buy into Vrabel, then he's gonna be a goner. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[203Pat]

The hype to production ratio for White has always been way off in my opinion. He seems to get a lot of buzz for a guy who has been average to below average on the field. The scouting report on him coming out was that he is a tweener without a true position and so far a little over two years in that looks to be the case.

 

[Rob0729]

I want to give White a chance to redeem himself. He has shown in the past he can be a dominant pass rusher at times. Let's see if he can fix whatever issues he has and turn it around.

Otherwise, trade him. I think other teams might be interested. But his value is going to be low at this point.

 

[signbabybrady]

He was playing well at the beginning of last year when he was in the interior. Only when injuries had him playing out on edge did he look ineffective.

He should be a rotational player in the interior imo. At the very least he can come in as a pass rusher from the interior on obvioius passing downs.

If you look at the positive plays he made here against the Seahawks last year, he's much better coming from the insides vs outside




But if he doesn't buy into Vrabel, then he's gonna be a goner. I hope I'm wrong.

You might be onto something......While he's been versatile at times the thing he's probably done best is rush from the interior. Even then the sacks and pressures have been in spurts.

With that said the real problem for White now might just be that Barmore and Milton are beasts and have that role completely locked down.

Can he be useful enough anywhere else? Is what we need to find out.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Media is already getting irritated with Gonzalez and asked the question about trading him to Mike Reiss.

 

[condon84]

You might be onto something......While he's been versatile at times the thing he's probably done best is rush from the interior. Even then the sacks and pressures have been in spurts.

With that said the real problem for White now might just be that Barmore and Milton are beasts and have that role completely locked down.

Can he be useful enough anywhere else? Is what we need to find out.

Milton was not a starter for the Eagles and was effectively used as a rotational player.

 

[PatsFan2]

Media is already getting irritated with Gonzalez and asked the question about trading him to Mike Reiss.

Reiss should turn around and ask them: and who takes his spot?? We have to live with Gonzo like we did Gronk: we've seen this movie before. Great when they're playing sucks when they're not.

 

[203Pat]

Media is already getting irritated with Gonzalez and asked the question about trading him to Mike Reiss.

What?

 

[DC Patriots]

We have to live with Gonzo like we did Gronk: we've seen this movie before. Great when they're playing sucks when they're not.

1) Gronk was an all time great
2) Gronk played hurt because:
3) Gronk’s body was destroyed

Really like Gonzo but I’m not quite ready to say any of those things about him yet.

Talk of trading him is a bit nuts though

 

[patman12]

Media is already getting irritated with Gonzalez and asked the question about trading him to Mike Reiss.

Why would Reiss look to add Gonzo?

 

[fnordcircle]

Think of it this way..

Hes on his 3rd defense in 3 years but he's also played 1350 career snaps, been in 3 training camps, had 100+ practices, and ~40 regular and preseason games combined.

How long does it take for a player who has talent, skill, and solid technique take to develop?

 

[PatsFan2]

1) Gronk was an all time great
2) Gronk played hurt because:
3) Gronk’s body was destroyed

Really like Gonzo but I’m not quite ready to say any of those things about him yet.

Talk of trading him is a bit nuts though

Gonzo will be Hof CB with good health.

 

[mgteich]

There's plenty of room at the bottom of this constantly rotating bottom of the roster.

I suspect that issue is fit and attitude.
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I would think that White has enough talent to have role as a backup.

White is one of four in this situation. Jennings, Dugger and Tavai are the others. All four could have continuing roles as valuable backups.
If they are willing, there is no reason to cut any of them just to replace them by a street free agent with little talent or experience.

As an aside, Tavai might even start over Elliss (who should be a backup ILB and a valuable STer).

 

[signbabybrady]

Milton was not a starter for the Eagles and was effectively used as a rotational player.

The more reps the better

 

[Ring 6]

I feel like White is a player without a position. He's a tweener that doesn't fit on the team...so far. I think he has pro-bowl potential but maybe not with the Pats. While were at it...I'm starting to lean in the same direction with Douglas. Pop needs to be good at beating both man and zone...but he's not. Hollins in the slot fixes several issues that Pop has such as height / catch radius. Chism is probably better in zone coverage's....and possibly man.

If white had problem potential they would put him in a position to use it.
What role would he be probowl caliber that we don’t have?

Hes not a speed rusher and seems undisciplined on the run in the edge. I used to think he was be a good disruptive DT particularly as a pass rusher, but he has shown zero pass rushing ability for a long time now.

Hes had many opportunities to show that ability in varying roles and he just hasn’t done it. He showed promise as a rookie, started out well last year, but since has become just an extremely easy guy to block.

Hope he figures it out, but it’s not looking promising.

 

[signbabybrady]

If white had problem potential they would put him in a position to use it.
What role would he be probowl caliber that we don’t have?

Hes not a speed rusher and seems undisciplined on the run in the edge. I used to think he was be a good disruptive DT particularly as a pass rusher, but he has shown zero pass rushing ability for a long time now.

Hes had many opportunities to show that ability in varying roles and he just hasn’t done it. He showed promise as a rookie, started out well last year, but since has become just an extremely easy guy to block.

Hope he figures it out, but it’s not looking promising.

This about sums it up. Still a little early in the year to completely give up but not exactly sure what role he's going to get where he gets a chance to shine but if it happens quick maybe we jumped the gun.

Another reasonable scenario is that it's also a long season too and he'll likely get some sort of opportunities along the way and he'll need to take advantage when they arise. Show some sort of resilency and give us a reason to expect more.