Kyle Williams

[Huckleberry1]

If Drake Maye turns out to be prime Drew Bledsoe, (who can run, btw) that's a home run pick.

I would rather see him turn into Josh Allen

 

[VJCPatriot]

With your limited knowledge of the game, I will go over this once more.

QB Presnap reads are where the game is won or lost. Reading defenses. That is what made Brady so good and what haunted Bledsoe his whole career. The more I see of Maye, the more he reminds of Bledsoe who always had a litany of excuse's for the reason why he always came up short.

I think it's way too soon to label Maye a Drew Bledsoe in terms of presnap reads. Keep in mind he's learning a whole new offensive system. Brady is the GOAT. He's an absolute freak when it comes to game preparation and presnap read mastery. Let's keep our comparisons realistic. Besides that Maye is far more athletic than Bledsoe in terms of creating plays with his legs so that already makes him a different player with a higher ceiling.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think it's way too soon to label Maye a Drew Bledsoe in terms of presnap reads. Keep in mind he's learning a whole new offensive system. Brady is the GOAT. He's an absolute freak when it comes to game preparation and presnap read mastery. Let's keep our comparisons realistic. Besides that Maye is far more athletic than Bledsoe in terms of creating plays with his legs so that already makes him a different player with a higher ceiling.

I agree. A bit of patience with Maye is important .

Brady missed a bunch of reads. Gronk was wide open in the EZ for a 2 point conversation to tie the 2016 AFC Championship. How can a QB miss Gronk? Let's be patient.

 

[zydecochris]

Oh God, not another Randy Moss.

I know that you are making a joke about Randy Moss not liking to get hit....but let me make my own joke

"Dear Almighty: when @Schmo said: "Oh God, not another Randy Moss", I'm pretty sure he was just talking about the not-liking-to-be-hit thing with Randy. To be clear, all of us Patsfans would like nothing better than for our 3rd round rookie Kyle Williams with a $1.2M cap hit to "be another Randy Moss" and replicate Randy Moss's rookie season and statistics, 69 Receptions, 1313 yards, 17 receiving TDs (no, that is not an error). Actually, in a pinch, if it would be easier, I think most of us would be almost just as good with 68 Rec, 1312 years and 16 receiving TDs. I offer this prayer on behalf of all Patriot Fans (except about 5 on PatsFans.com). Thank you for your help, and Go Pats!"

 

[rochrist]

I think it's way too soon to label Maye a Drew Bledsoe in terms of presnap reads. Keep in mind he's learning a whole new offensive system. Brady is the GOAT. He's an absolute freak when it comes to game preparation and presnap read mastery. Let's keep our comparisons realistic. Besides that Maye is far more athletic than Bledsoe in terms of creating plays with his legs so that already makes him a different player with a higher ceiling.

Well, just to keep everyone up to date, Felger says Maye is a major bust, Campbell is secretly a girl, and Diggs is doing crack.

 

[Schmo]

I know that you are making a joke about Randy Moss not liking to get hit....but let me make my own joke

"Dear Almighty: when @Schmo said: "Oh God, not another Randy Moss", I'm pretty sure he was just talking about the not-liking-to-be-hit thing with Randy. To be clear, all of us Patsfans would like nothing better than for our 3rd round rookie Kyle Williams with a $1.2M cap hit to "be another Randy Moss" and replicate Randy Moss's rookie season and statistics, 69 Receptions, 1313 yards, 17 receiving TDs (no, that is not an error). Actually, in a pinch, if it would be easier, I think most of us would be almost just as good with 68 Rec, 1312 years and 16 receiving TDs. I offer this prayer on behalf of all Patriot Fans (except about 5 on PatsFans.com). Thank you for your help, and Go Pats!"

1312 years would put him 2nd to Brady in career longevity. So I'll add, "Oh God, not another Brady!"

 

[captain stone]

Mayes read is clearly the receiver in the seam on the right hash which appears to be where he threw.

For the millionth time Wbs don’t drop back look over the field and figure out who is open.
They have progressions. If progression 1 is open, throw it to him. If not go to 2, and if 2 is open throw it to him on down the line.
A later progression being open isn’t a consideration until you get through your primary progressions.

Didn't Brady once say that the first read is usually the deepest pattern first and the shortest one is last?

When somebody's that open the QB has to see him. Maye was standing on the hash marks on Williams' side of the field and his left foot was planted toward the corner of Williams' side of the field in relationship to his back foot.. If someone looked at this photo but didn't know what came afterward, he might've guessed that the QB was looking-off the Safety one last time before throwing to the WR on the left...

That was a bad read by the QB. If we hope to play meaningful games in December then he has to cut down the missed opportunities like this one, because we're not good enough to overcome them.

 

[Ring 6]

Didn't Brady once say that the first read is usually the deepest pattern first and the shortest one is last?

When somebody's that open the QB has to see him. Maye was standing on the hash marks on Williams' side of the field and his left foot was planted toward the corner of Williams' side of the field in relationship to his back foot.. If someone looked at this photo but didn't know what came afterward, he might've guessed that the QB was looking-off the Safety one last time before throwing to the WR on the left...

That was a bad read by the QB. If we hope to play meaningful games in December then he has to cut down the missed opportunities like this one, because we're not good enough to overcome them.

No that is not the case. When Welker was here he was often the first progression, he never would have seen the ball if they worked deep to short every play.

Maye had to read his progressions. Trying to jump the progressions leads to missing windows and taking sacks.
It’s just not the way it works, you can’t run complementary timing routes with progressions and have the qb say nah I’ll just watch all 5 guys and pick who i like.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

No that is not the case. When Welker was here he was often the first progression, he never would have seen the ball if they worked deep to short every play.

Maye had to read his progressions. Trying to jump the progressions leads to missing windows and taking sacks.
It’s just not the way it works, you can’t run complementary timing routes with progressions and have the qb say nah I’ll just watch all 5 guys and pick who i like.

Watch Maye's head. He never went through his progressions - his head never looked left. Maye stared down one receiver and then scrambled. I agree with your premise, but it does not apply to this play.

 

[Toofy]

In the end Maye made a positive play throwing to Hollins, but McDaniels is for sure going to sit Maye down and show him the play we're all talking about with Williams. Douglas also beat the LB deep with the S turned towards the sidelines. There was another play were Williams cleared his area in the middle of the field, but Maye went Jimmy G mode and wouldn't throw it. He did this a ton in SF including the Super Bowl leaving big plays on the field because he locked on to the easier throws. Maye's seriously got to work on this as these are basic NFL throws.

Did you notice the graph where they showed maye is not looking at left side due to PTSD on blind side after being manned by lowe and other alternates last season .

He needs to get back the muscle memory back and let go of bad habits. More than receivers Maye form is of slight concern.

We might need to pump the brakes a bit on playoff aspirations and hope maye matures and plays half decent or like a top 15 qb.

 

[TommyD4207]

Did you notice the graph where they showed maye is not looking at left side due to PTSD on blind side after being banned by lowe and other alternates last season .

He needs to get back the muscle memory back and let go of bad habits. More than receivers Maye form is of slight concern.

We might need to pump the brakes a bit on playoff aspirations and hope maybe matures and plays half decent or like a top 15 qb.

Williams was running a clearout to pull that safety over, all the other routes were on the right side, that's where the reads were. I really think Maye never considered Minnesota would blow the coverage that badly.

I'm guessing he'll at least peek over there from now on though.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Did you notice the graph where they showed maye is not looking at left side due to PTSD on blind side after being banned by lowe and other alternates last season .

He needs to get back the muscle memory back and let go of bad habits. More than receivers Maye form is of slight concern.

We might need to pump the brakes a bit on playoff aspirations and hope maybe matures and plays half decent or like a top 15 qb.

I agree. There is an issue for Maye to progress right to left. Watch his head.

 

[Ring 6]

Watch Maye's head. He never went through his progressions - his head never looked left. Maye stared down one receiver and then scrambled. I agree with your premise, but it does not apply to this play.

I can’t tell that from a screen shot.

 

[Triumph]

It’s like talking to a kindergartener.

Progressions are ORDERS given to the QB in a play call.
Progressions can be different based upon what coverage you expect.
Presnap reads are fools gold because they are disguised.
Progressions work like this:
5 step drop, 1.2.3.4.5 hit your number 1 if he is open.
If not go to 2, then 3, etc etc.
There is no option to look over to the other side of the field to see what’s happening over there, because patterns are run to windows and a QB must have the correct timing in order to execute.



Mayes read of the coverage caused his progrssions to be his right side.

But go ahead and tell me how you evaluate QBs with screen shot and ESP.

Yawn.

It was painful and a lot of work to school you on why the Pats will keep more than 4 WRs and that Diggs had zero to do with Hollins. You finally got it. And, that Hollins job is safe because only an imbecile would pick Polk instead.

Now, here we are with the intricacies of the game and you're in left field again.

Heres the bottom line Rong6. When McDaniel's and Maye review the film, is McDaniel's going to point out that Maye had a missed opportunity and if it occurs in the future to do the same exact thing. Ignore it. NO

Its going to be a long season if Maye does not snap out of it.

 

[Pape]

Is this a semantics thing? I thought training camp ended Week 1, or maybe cut down day.

Yup, it is semantics... technically camp ends with the start of preseason... but hobgoblin is an *******, so i'm good with it...

 

[raduray]

Yup, it is semantics... technically camp ends with the start of preseason... but hobgoblin is an *******, so i'm good with it...

Hmm, so does that mean that training camp ends a week early for the teams playing in the Hall of Fame game?

 

[Pape]

Hmm, so does that mean that training camp ends a week early for the teams playing in the Hall of Fame game?

yeah, sure, if you want it to...

basically, for me - OTAs, Mini Camp, Rookie Camp, T. Camp you are installing what needs to be installed, working on basics, filling holes in the roster that are spotted etc...

the Preseason starts the process of breaking down the 90 man roster looking at cuts and bubble guys... the exhibition games give the staff the opportunity to watch players in game like situations to make these evals... thats the difference...

 

[rkarp1]

Yawn.

It was painful and a lot of work to school you on why the Pats will keep more than 4 WRs and that Diggs had zero to do with Hollins. You finally got it. And, that Hollins job is safe because only an imbecile would pick Polk instead.

Now, here we are with the intricacies of the game and you're in left field again.

Heres the bottom line Rong6. When McDaniel's and Maye review the film, is McDaniel's going to point out that Maye had a missed opportunity and if it occurs in the future to do the same exact thing. Ignore it. NO

Its going to be a long season if Maye does not snap out of it.

I think you are in for a long season if you are expecting Maye to change plays, and not follow his progressions.
he will follow McD's game plan. period.
McD's game plans for Maye will differ than they were for Brady and Mac, but Maye will follow McD's lead, until he becomes more comfortable in the system.
sure, we all hope Maye develops into changing plays, which will result in a change of progressions. but when live, with 3 seconds to go thru progressions, a young QB is not reading the field. he is following orders.

 

[BTTA]

Agree. And if they run that play again and another team leaves Williams open like that, then they may make an adjustment where Williams is a #2 option rather than #4 or 5. This isn't on Maye playing hero ball, it is on the system.

 

[Ring 6]

Yawn.

It was painful and a lot of work to school you on why the Pats will keep more than 4 WRs and that Diggs had zero to do with Hollins. You finally got it. And, that Hollins job is safe because only an imbecile would pick Polk instead.

Now, here we are with the intricacies of the game and you're in left field again.

Heres the bottom line Rong6. When McDaniel's and Maye review the film, is McDaniel's going to point out that Maye had a missed opportunity and if it occurs in the future to do the same exact thing. Ignore it. NO

Its going to be a long season if Maye does not snap out of it.

You make things up and argue with yourself, I suppose that is painful.

I’m sorry you don’t understand the game, you’ve become more of a waste of time than ever since you’ve started pretending like you do.