OT: Josh Simmons steal of draft

[One-If-By-Sea]

It takes 3 years to really know if you have a good player.

Sometimes. It doesn't take 3 years with every player.

 

[Triumph]

Sometimes. It doesn't take 3 years with every player.

No, but its customary to give a rookie at least 3 years unless he is horrid.

 

[Dec54]

It’s sad we have a Josh Simmons thread that is already 9 pages deep but not a “Will Campbell Watch” thread.
There’s been the good, the bad and the ugly already with Will but we want to talk about a guy who was drafted end of first round.

Well said. I think there are poster on here that want Campbell to fail, and I say shame on you.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

No, but its customary to give a rookie at least 3 years unless he is horrid.

A lot of the 2024 draft will not last 3 years.

 

[Kdo5]

I hadn’t seen it elsewhere but Bedard said Will Campbell also had a poor performance in this practice. He could really use a bounce back week of practice to shut some of us for a bit.

 

[The Gr8est]

Well said. I think there are poster on here that want Campbell to fail, and I say shame on you.

They were sated for a while after Chad Ryland, even though Ryland is excelling in Arizona, but they are hungry again.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I think Jared Wilson is more of a steal than Josh Simmons, but maybe that is just me.

YUGE difference in finding a late round/ UDFA guard or center than a LT. Andrews and Neal just to name a few. But finding a stud LT outside of the top ten, rare. The only 3rd round HOF Tackles I see are Jackie Slater and Art Shell and their draft positions can be attributed to them both playing for HBC colleges in the 60's

 

[sb1]

Jim Murray talked about how Campbell is showing signs that he can be an elite run blocker but his pass blocking is still a work in progress. Top 5 picks should be great at both right off the bat IMO let's see where he's at going into the season.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Jim Murray talked about how Campbell is showing signs that he can be an elite run blocker but his pass blocking is still a work in progress. Top 5 picks should be great at both right off the bat IMO let's see where he's at going into the season.

It’s been stated for months how this was one of the deepest drafts in years but one of the worst at the top in ages. Outside of Hunter and Carter, there was no one worthy of being a top 10 pick in most years. No one wanted to trade except to get Hunter; there was no other trade until pick 25. This is unusual compared to other recent drafts.

Fact is, anyone the Patriots selected at 4 would have been overdrafted. If not Campbell, then who, since no one wanted to trade? Simmons is posed as an alternative in this thread, but there’s a reason 31 teams passed on him.

Campbell — and pretty much anyone we would have taken — will always look like a disappointment as a top 5 pick. But the hope is he shows that he was first round worthy in general. Happy to hear he’s looking great in the run game so far; given that’s also been Wilson and Bradbury’s strengths and we have Rham and Henderson, it might be nice for us to morph into a run-first offense and then let Drake take his shots in play-action. Assuming they’ve been working on play-action, of course.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I think he has 33" arms, so he obviously sucks.

And Will Campbell has 32 5/8 inch arms. If anything we took the bigger risk with Campbell at #4. Look I hope Campbell pans out ok despite his T-Rex arms but if you are gonna bring up the arm length issue, beware of throwing stones while living in a glass house!



I was in the group who wanted to trade down from #4 and possibly take Simmons later but what is done is done. I hope WC is a big success with the Patriots. But I am still leery of his ability to succeed with the short arms. Hopefully he was the right pick. Drake Maye needs his blindside well protected in order to thrive.

 

[VJCPatriot]

With our luck since the last Superbowl, Simmons would've been another Dominque Easley for us with injury problems not the stud he is so far in TC lol

I remember the Patriots taking a risk on a high upside TE with an injury leading up to the draft. Gronk turned out to be really worth that risk.

A lot of posters, not just myself felt Simmons could be the best pure LT to come out of this draft. It is kind of infuriating that the Chiefs got a potential franchise LT drafting that late and we might get just an ok LT drafting at #4 overall. Which is why a lot of us wanted to trade down and get more value. Simmons would still have been there for us if we moved down into the 10-15 range AND we would have received extra draft capital in the process.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

And Will Campbell has 32 5/8 inch arms. If anything we took the bigger risk with Campbell at #4. Look I hope Campbell pans out ok despite his T-Rex arms but if you are gonna bring up the arm length issue, beware of throwing stones while living in a glass house!



I was in the group who wanted to trade down from #4 and possibly take Simmons later but what is done is done. I hope WC is a big success with the Patriots. But I am still leery of his ability to succeed with the short arms. Hopefully he was the right pick. Drake Maye needs his blindside well protected in order to thrive.

Looked like 33" to me when he was checked again.
If 3/8" is a real fkn problem, it's ridiculous.
Sewell has what, 33 1/4", Alaric Jackson (who MANY) on here wanted is the same, and BTW HURT ... AGAIN.

 

[signbabybrady]

I remember the Patriots taking a risk on a high upside TE with an injury leading up to the draft. Gronk turned out to be really worth that risk.

A lot of posters, not just myself felt Simmons could be the best pure LT to come out of this draft. It is kind of infuriating that the Chiefs got a potential franchise LT drafting that late and we might get just an ok LT drafting at #4 overall. Which is why a lot of us wanted to trade down and get more value. Simmons would still have been there for us if we moved down into the 10-15 range AND we would have received extra draft capital in the process.

I was on board with taking Jeanty or Tet after a slight trade down and then trading up with our second pick for Simmons.

But if we did that we don't have Henderson. I'm happy with Campbell and Henderson so it is what it is.

Obviously there were other ways it could have gone and I suppose we could have somehow got Simmons, Henderson, and an extra pick but there's also a chance you pass on Campbell and never find another way to get Simmons and then where would the OL be.

There's a chance we got the best LT and 2nd best RB and we should be happy with what we got and take our chances.

 

[The Gr8est]

I remember the Patriots taking a risk on a high upside TE with an injury leading up to the draft. Gronk turned out to be really worth that risk.

A lot of posters, not just myself felt Simmons could be the best pure LT to come out of this draft. It is kind of infuriating that the Chiefs got a potential franchise LT drafting that late and we might get just an ok LT drafting at #4 overall. Which is why a lot of us wanted to trade down and get more value. Simmons would still have been there for us if we moved down into the 10-15 range AND we would have received extra draft capital in the process.

Pats took a chance oh Ras-I Dowling who had injury concerns too.

 

[DC Patriots]

Don’t mean to get in the middle of something here. But in addition to loss of mobility, patellar teams come with a high risk of re-injury. So the question with Simons isn’t just how he looks, but if the knee holds up for the next 3+ years.

Gamble makes sense for the Chiefs. Less so for us.

Also, doesn’t every team and local media write an obligatory “we got us a star in the making,” article about their 1st round draft pick every year?

 

[Toofy]

Don’t mean to get in the middle of something here. But in addition to loss of mobility, patellar teams come with a high risk of re-injury. So the question with Simons isn’t just how he looks, but if the knee holds up for the next 3+ years.

Gamble makes sense for the Chiefs. Less so for us.

Also, doesn’t every team and local media write an obligatory “we got us a star in the making,” article about their 1st round draft pick every year?

Our own cole strange got patellar tendon issues . We can see how it's impacted him. Possibly cutting his career short .

 

[sb1]

Pats took a chance oh Ras-I Dowling who had injury concerns too.

And neither of them were picked at #4 or in the first round at all.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Also, doesn’t every team and local media write an obligatory “we got us a star in the making,” article about their 1st round draft pick every year?

No, we tear down our first round picks with a "we got us a bust in the making," article because we're the Boston media.

 

[sb1]

Gamble makes sense for the Chiefs. Less so for us.

This. The Chiefs are in position to take a chance on a high risk higher reward guy like Simmons.

 

[KCSVEN]

Jim Murray talked about how Campbell is showing signs that he can be an elite run blocker but his pass blocking is still a work in progress. Top 5 picks should be great at both right off the bat IMO let's see where he's at going into the season.

The evidence doesn't seem to support top tackles Being great at both from day 1.

Joe Alt was a special LT prospect and was a much better pass blocker than run blocker in year 1
Was not great at either but very good Pass blocker and slightly above average run blocker.

Penei Sewell was GREAT Pass Blocker year 1, but only above average run blocker. Year 3 he took the jump to just straight out great.

Paris Johnson was only average at both in year 1 but year 2 was very good to bordering on great.

Best you can say is first year they should be above average at both.