Any Thoughts on Impacts of a Treveyon Henderson Holdout? (Update: He's Signed)

[Water Boy]

If you've been following the soap opera going on with the 2nd round picks in this year's draft you'll be aware that the majority of 2nd round picks are holding out for guaranteed contracts. The Texans are at the heart of this issue by giving Jayden Higgins (pick 34) a fully guaranteed deal and most people assume pick 40 Tyler Shough would be getting guaranteed money as a QB.

I'm hearing that Henderson is a likely camp holdout as would be many others. Fell free to opine on whether the owners and GMs are colluding or not, but I'm more concerned about not having Henderson in the fold early given the prominent role awaiting him in this offense especially as a receiving back.

Could mean more reps for Gibson and Larrison.

 

[Wozzy]

If he misses camp practices it’s a problem.

 

[farn]

He’ll sign. That’s my thought.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

If you've been following the soap opera going on with the 2nd round picks in this year's draft you'll be aware that the majority of 2nd round picks are holding out for guaranteed contracts. The Texans are at the heart of this issue by giving Jayden Higgins (pick 34) a fully guaranteed deal and most people assume pick 40 Tyler Shough would be getting guaranteed money as a QB.

One reminder here: the second round has long been the main rookie contract battleground. The only difference this year is that the Texans accelerated things with the Higgins contract.

 

[Water Boy]

One reminder here: the second round has long been the main rookie contract battleground. The only difference this year is that the Texans accelerated things with the Higgins contract.

In my opinion the players certainly have the right to optimize their contracts and owners have the right to pushback on fully guaranteed contracts for rookies, but that's not the game I'm interested in. If all NFL players got guaranteed money like baseball, the product on the field would surely suffer. The cap is one of the fundamental elements that has made the NFL the king of all sports with parody among all 32 franchises. Given that college players are getting paid now, this isn't a case of their one and only bite at the apple anymore.

All that being said, I hate when contract stuff affects my beloved Patriots. I wish we could go into training camp healthy and with everyone accounted for.

 

[Pape]

we will/should cave, guarantee his deal before camp... owners are making billions, they shouldn't fret over what amounts to pennies in the overall cost of doing business...

if we can guarantee 8 out of the 9 million for Ja'Lynn Polk, we can guarantee the money for TH32

If Henderson does hold out, he loses any opportunity to take Rhamondre Stevensons job, and cements his role as the lead back for the 2025 season...

 

[Triumph]

If you've been following the soap opera going on with the 2nd round picks in this year's draft you'll be aware that the majority of 2nd round picks are holding out for guaranteed contracts. The Texans are at the heart of this issue by giving Jayden Higgins (pick 34) a fully guaranteed deal and most people assume pick 40 Tyler Shough would be getting guaranteed money as a QB.

I'm hearing that Henderson is a likely camp holdout as would be many others. Fell free to opine on whether the owners and GMs are colluding or not, but I'm more concerned about not having Henderson in the fold early given the prominent role awaiting him in this offense especially as a receiving back.

Could mean more reps for Gibson and Larrison.

His agent is likely advising Henderson to not sign.

Supposedly, 30 of the 32 picks are not signed. The Chargers pick is absent from camp Chargers WR Tre Harris officially takes stance as a holdout from training camp

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Tough sledding making millions coming out of College...at 21-26yrs old.
I feel ZERO Sympathy for these guys.

He doesn't want to sign? ****'em.

 

[Ian]

His agent is likely advising Henderson to not sign.

Supposedly, 30 of the 32 picks are not signed. The Chargers pick is absent from camp Chargers WR Tre Harris officially takes stance as a holdout from training camp

This is the biggest problem. The two guys signed are the benchmark until someone blinks. Houston set a bad precedent, and with the Browns being forced into following suit since their guy was taken ahead of the Texans' pick, it's absolutely going to be an issue. Sort of surprised Caserio did that, honestly.

 

[Ring 6]

If you've been following the soap opera going on with the 2nd round picks in this year's draft you'll be aware that the majority of 2nd round picks are holding out for guaranteed contracts. The Texans are at the heart of this issue by giving Jayden Higgins (pick 34) a fully guaranteed deal and most people assume pick 40 Tyler Shough would be getting guaranteed money as a QB.

I'm hearing that Henderson is a likely camp holdout as would be many others. Fell free to opine on whether the owners and GMs are colluding or not, but I'm more concerned about not having Henderson in the fold early given the prominent role awaiting him in this offense especially as a receiving back.

Could mean more reps for Gibson and Larrison.

Hearing from who?

 

[Pape]

This is the biggest problem. The two guys signed are the benchmark until someone blinks. Houston set a bad precedent, and with the Browns being forced into following suit since their guy was taken ahead of the Texans' pick, it's absolutely going to be an issue. Sort of surprised Caserio did that, honestly.

in light of the collusion lawsuit that was recently unveiled, not a look good for the ownership group....

 

[mgteich]

There is no reason for Henderson to be the one to cave to the owners.
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Eventually, they will all sign.

There is no particular loss to the patriots compared to other teams. Everyone is in the same situation. All of the coaching staffs have lots of other players to evaluate.

All of the 2nd rounder will be on the 53-man teams.

 

[Sect140]

If he holds out, oh well, training camp will still happen and the season will start on Sept. 7th. Looks like more snaps in camp and preseason games for Lan Larrison, Terrell Jennings and Traveon Williams.

Now there are two owners that have gone against the others and signed two fully guaranteed contacts, I’m surprised Houston did it after the disaster of the Browns giving Watson a guaranteed contract.

 

[Rob0729]

I think once one second rounder caves and doesn't require fully guaranteed contracts, the dominoes will fall and most of the rest will follow. I see someone caving because they are afraid they will lose money. Once players realize that not all teams are as stupid as the Browns and Texans, they will realize holding out any longer will be useless.

Personally, I don't think Henderson is going to get enough in his rookie deal that fully guaranteeing it is that big of a deal, but I think the owners are less likely to cave than the players. Owners are going to be worried that next year it is going to be third rounders demanding fully guaranteed contracts and fourth rounders the next year and fifth rounders the year after that.

 

[Pape]

I think once one second rounder caves and doesn't require fully guaranteed contracts, the dominoes will fall and most of the rest will follow. I see someone caving because they are afraid they will lose money. Once players realize that not all teams are as stupid as the Browns and Texans, they will realize holding out any longer will be useless.

Personally, I don't think Henderson is going to get enough in his rookie deal that fully guaranteeing it is that big of a deal, but I think the owners are less likely to cave than the players. Owners are going to be worried that next year it is going to be third rounders demanding fully guaranteed contracts and fourth rounders the next year and fifth rounders the year after that.

i wonder how many of these guys have a bank from NIL money? i can see them waiting... getting paid in college changes the "need money" dynamic the owners used to prey upon in getting these guys to sign contracts with less than favorable terms...

 

[patfanken]

the issue here is term "fully guaranteed contract". The solution, imho, is to guarantee a significant percentage of the money, but not all.

I'm kind of against guaranteed contracts because a good majority of them end up with the team not getting value for the money they are paying, since the team is paying for PAST performance that isn't always duplicated in the present.

These are guys that haven't played a snap of NFL football. Is it unreasonable for the team to want to hedge their bets even if its just a bit. Those 4 year contracts are by and large GOING to paid in full. The Players don't even have to be starters to get it paid off. They just have to not totally suck.

Backups are all they have to be to get paid in full, so what's the big deal. They are really risking very little in signing that partially guaranteed deal. I don't know exactly what percentage of guaranteed money will get the deal done. My guess would be in the 70-80% area.

I assign ZERO blame to Henderson. It's not on him, but rather on the whole players vs owners dynamic. However if it comes to pass that we hear that he was offered around an $ 18-20MM 4 year deal that was 80% guaranteed and didn't take it, I WILL be very disappointed

 

[Rob0729]

i wonder how many of these guys have a bank from NIL money? i can see them waiting... getting paid in college changes the "need money" dynamic the owners used to prey upon in getting these guys to sign contracts with less than favorable terms...

I think a lot of low to mid second rounders would be too afraid that if they sit out the year because they could drop quite a bit if they re-enter the draft. And if they sit out too long, that might end up being their only option. Some of the higher drafted guys could pull what Shemar Stewart is threatening to do and go back to college and enter the draft next year. But for other than maybe a half dozen, it is a huge risk of falling to the third or fourth round or lower next year.

NIL money isn't the only concern. Even without the NIL money, these guys could probably have gotten money by borrowing against their future contracts since NFL rookie contracts are slotted and what they will get their rookie season is pretty much guaranteed.

Who knows? But if I was a betting man, I would bet on the players caving before the owners.

 

[Pape]

I think a lot of low to mid second rounders would be too afraid that if they sit out the year because they could drop quite a bit if they re-enter the draft. And if they sit out too long, that might end up being their only option. Some of the higher drafted guys could pull what Shemar Stewart is threatening to do and go back to college and enter the draft next year. But for other than maybe a half dozen, it is a huge risk of falling to the third or fourth round or lower next year.

NIL money isn't the only concern. Even without the NIL money, these guys could probably have gotten money by borrowing against their future contracts since NFL rookie contracts are slotted and what they will get their rookie season is pretty much guaranteed.

Who knows? But if I was a betting man, I would bet on the players caving before the owners.

You make some good points, especially about borrowing against future earnings

 

[Grogan14]

If you've been following the soap opera going on with the 2nd round picks in this year's draft you'll be aware that the majority of 2nd round picks are holding out for guaranteed contracts. The Texans are at the heart of this issue by giving Jayden Higgins (pick 34) a fully guaranteed deal and most people assume pick 40 Tyler Shough would be getting guaranteed money as a QB.

I'm hearing that Henderson is a likely camp holdout as would be many others. Fell free to opine on whether the owners and GMs are colluding or not, but I'm more concerned about not having Henderson in the fold early given the prominent role awaiting him in this offense especially as a receiving back.

Could mean more reps for Gibson and Larrison.

Just pay him what he wants. Period!!!!

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Now there are two owners that have gone against the others and signed two fully guaranteed contacts, I’m surprised Houston did it after the disaster of the Browns giving Watson a guaranteed contract.

There's a slight difference between a 4/~$10M contract being fully guaranteed and 5/$230M fully guaranteed.

Moreover, it's not like it's a massive difference from last year. Ladd McConkey was drafted #34 (grrr), and got 4/$10M with about $9.2M of it fully guaranteed.