Post Your Way too Early Season Predictions For Maye/Receivers

[Ring 6]

There's also a reason Hollins has been on multiple rosters. Please let me know if I missed his all pro selection..

Yes he’s been in multiple rosters because many teams feel he belongs in the league.
You are arguing you have to be an all pro to be out an understated rookie who ran what a 4.8?

6, please use that smart brain of yours. Your infatuation with Hollins is ridiculous. I think for myself thank you for the advice. Is it a fact that he was signed prior to Diggs and drafting Williams? Is it a fact that Hollins has been a non participant? Is it fact that Chism has been coming on as UDFA? Or is that information made up, becuase you don't agree? You’re a smart guy 6... c'mon man.

Infatuation? From the guy who says a UDFA is beating out multiple veteran players?
They knew they were signing a WR1 and drafting one when they signed Hollins.
Not participating in OTAs doesn’t mean you are being cut, Jesus.
How are you “coming on as a UDFA” before camp even starts?

I said think for yourself because your entire argument was asking Grok, and it disagreed with you.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yes he’s been in multiple rosters because many teams feel he belongs in the league.
You are arguing you have to be an all pro to be out an understated rookie who ran what a 4.8?

Infatuation? From the guy who says a UDFA is beating out multiple veteran players?
They knew they were signing a WR1 and drafting one when they signed Hollins.
Not participating in OTAs doesn’t mean you are being cut, Jesus.
How are you “coming on as a UDFA” before camp even starts?

I said think for yourself because your entire argument was asking Grok, and it disagreed with you.

Did Douglas beat out anyone in 2023 to make the roster as a UDFA?

 

[Real fan 02]

Is there a worse source? Do you honestly think he is the 7th best TE in the NFL and should be playing in front of Henry?

I never said playing in front of Henry I just simply posted what PFF ranked him.. take it for whatever it's worth .

 

[signbabybrady]

Infatuation? From the guy who says a UDFA is beating out multiple veteran players?

@Real fan 02

I think you both are little too dug in on your guys. Which is fine have your binkies and debate on.

I think they both are in a group of 6 players fighting for the last 2 spots in the WR room (maybe 3 spots if we carry 6). Diggs, Pop, and Williams aren't going anywhere so 2 or 3 more out of Hollins, Chism, Bourne, Boutte, Polk, and Baker. And from where I sit I don't see any reason to automatically put 1 of the 6 on the roster or not. They all seem fairly equally likely to make it except maybe Baker is the least likely of the 6 (but that also makes him the most likely not to get poached so he could be considered more likely for our PS just to overthink a little).

It's wide open gentlemen. I would stay flexible on my opinions on any of them.

 

[Ring 6]

Did Douglas beat out anyone in 2023 to make the roster as a UDFA?

Douglas wasn’t a UDFA. Should have asked Grok

 

[Ring 6]

I never said playing in front of Henry I just simply posted what PFF ranked him.. take it for whatever it's worth .

So you don’t believe in their rankings? If you did you would say the 7th ranked TE is better than the 19th ranked? So why post it if you know it’s BS?
This is that think for yourself issue again.

 

[Ring 6]

@Real fan 02

I think you both are little too dug in on your guys. Which is fine have your binkies and debate on.

I think they both are in a group of 6 players fighting for the last 2 spots in the WR room (maybe 3 spots if we carry 6). Diggs, Pop, and Williams aren't going anywhere so 2 or 3 more out of Hollins, Chism, Bourne, Boutte, Polk, and Baker. And from where I sit I don't see any reason to automatically put 1 of the 6 on the roster or not. They all seem fairly equally likely to make it except maybe Baker is the least likely of the 6 (but that also makes him the most likely not to get poached so he could be considered more likely for our PS just to overthink a little).

It's wide open gentlemen. I would stay flexible on my opinions on any of them.

Dug in? How am I dug in when I responded to “Chism got guaranteed money” with “that’s irrelevant and Hollins got 15 times more”?
Show me what my “dug in” comments are.

And I agreed completely with your assessment. I’m not sure where you are getting inflexibility in my comments, which basically amount to the UDFA is a long shot and predicting 430 receiving yards from him is unrealistic at best.

 

[The Trickster]

You think Austin Hooper is better than Hunter Henry? Travis Kelce, hockensen, Laporte, ertz, freirmuth, etc, etc.
seriously tell me you think Austin hooper is the 7th best TE in the NFL.

I don't think he said "7th best TE". I'm pretty sure it was "7th best run blocking TE".
There is a difference
Having said that, 7th best really surprises me

 

[Real fan 02]

So you don’t believe in their rankings? If you did you would say the 7th ranked TE is better than the 19th ranked? So why post it if you know it’s BS?
This is that think for yourself issue again.

I didn't say it was BS, I said take it as you may.. you don't have to take anything I post as gospel simply putting up what came up on his as a ranking for 2024.

 

[Real fan 02]

Douglas wasn’t a UDFA. Should have asked Grok

U are correct he was a 6th rounder. For some reason was thinking he was undrafted.

 

[signbabybrady]

Dug in? How am I dug in when I responded to “Chism got guaranteed money” with “that’s irrelevant and Hollins got 15 times more”?
Show me what my “dug in” comments are.

And I agreed completely with your assessment. I’m not sure where you are getting inflexibility in my comments, which basically amount to the UDFA is a long shot and predicting 430 receiving yards from him is unrealistic at best.

My bad I guess I over stated your stance.

 

[Real fan 02]

@Real fan 02

I think you both are little too dug in on your guys. Which is fine have your binkies and debate on.

I think they both are in a group of 6 players fighting for the last 2 spots in the WR room (maybe 3 spots if we carry 6). Diggs, Pop, and Williams aren't going anywhere so 2 or 3 more out of Hollins, Chism, Bourne, Boutte, Polk, and Baker. And from where I sit I don't see any reason to automatically put 1 of the 6 on the roster or not. They all seem fairly equally likely to make it except maybe Baker is the least likely of the 6 (but that also makes him the most likely not to get poached so he could be considered more likely for our PS just to overthink a little).

It's wide open gentlemen. I would stay flexible on my opinions on any of them.

Fair enough. I was at first skeptical on Chism admittedly. However watching team reporting coaches in their own words talking about him and how he's really come along as an UDFA is great to hear.

With that being said I believe you and I have had discussions on whom we perceive are locks. My defense for a player like Boutte is simply this.

We've had ****ty luck with guys working out at WR for years. Bust after bust. Boutte is someone who's been in the organization is still growing as a player and under Vrabel can grow his game further. He made most of drake's big plaues for TDs last season on the outside I'm not here to disparage Hollins as I know your high on him. Anyways I digress and as you mentioned we will see what camp shows us.

 

[signbabybrady]

Fair enough. I was at first skeptical on Chism admittedly. However watching team reporting coaches in their own words talking about him and how he's really come along as an UDFA is great to hear.

With that being said I believe you and I have had discussions on whom we perceive are locks. My defense for a player like Boutte is simply this.

We've had ****ty luck with guys working out at WR for years. Bust after bust. Boutte is someone who's been in the organization is still growing as a player and under Vrabel can grow his game further. He made most of drake's big plaues for TDs last season on the outside I'm not here to disparage Hollins as I know your high on him. Anyways I digress and as you mentioned we will see what camp shows us.

I think Boutte is getting slightly overlooked. He's had some production in this league already and with Maye. And he's still young/raw enough to still think there is plenty of room to grow.

That said he's still got to fight off the other 5 guys and win it and other guys have more NFL production and/or others seemingly have more upside (where he has a little of both the others have more of one category or the other).

Even when camp starts I'm going to try and keep an open mind to any of them all the way up until cut down. Should be a good fight to watch all camp and preseason.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't think he said "7th best TE". I'm pretty sure it was "7th best run blocking TE".
There is a difference
Having said that, 7th best really surprises me

No he reference PFF rating which is 7th overall TE, even crazier than 7th best blocking which is nuts.

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't say it was BS, I said take it as you may.. you don't have to take anything I post as gospel simply putting up what came up on his as a ranking for 2024.

When you cite it you imply it is accurate, otherwise why cite it?

 

[signbabybrady]

When you cite it you imply it is accurate, otherwise why cite it?

I think stats even flawed ones like PFF still have some value just need to keep perspective as to where it came from. Of course not everyone feels the same way lol.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think Boutte is getting slightly overlooked. He's had some production in this league already and with Maye. And he's still young/raw enough to still think there is plenty of room to grow.

That said he's still got to fight off the other 5 guys and win it and other guys have more NFL production and/or others seemingly have more upside (where he has a little of both the others have more of one category or the other).

Even when camp starts I'm going to try and keep an open mind to any of them all the way up until cut down. Should be a good fight to watch all camp and preseason.

True. I feel he knows that and welcomes competition. He was even saying he feels like be can be a 1,000 yard wr this season. Got to love his confidence. That's what I look for where is the player's confidence levels at when I comes to the skill positions.

I feel like regardless of who makes the final cut we stand to have far better production at wr than we've had the past few seasons. I cannot state enough the Impact Diggs will have for Drake and the entire offense. He will help everyone else have favorable match ups. I can see a situation where Boutte, chism, Hollins, all make the 53.

 

[BobDigital]

@Zuma

The main argument for him making the roster is veteran presence, blocking and size. All important things. However while we don't have size at WR we do have size at TE... We have 2 guys who are big targets if we need them in Henry and Hooper.

The blocking is nice, but in the end pass catching is the more valuable skill. And if every time you are put on the field it is a running play, the D will certainly notice that. So obviously a few pass plays need to be thrown in. The question than becomes (if we have superior pass catching options) how many times do we need to have an inferior pass catcher on the field in a passing play so we can have a superior run blocking on a running play? And in the end passing is more valuable than running. It just is. I know you can also argue he can block on passing plays too as a lead blocker up the field. But imo that isn't as value as people think. That suggest the idea the WR will escape his initial defender after catching the ball and that your blocking is good enough to make a substantial difference.

As for the Vet leadership. That certain is valuable, but talent, youth and play making ability is also valuable.

Am I saying he shouldn't be kept? No. But while i have him as lock for now, that has more to do with no one really forcing him off the roster or being more valuable right now IMO.

Right now I feel like keeping 6 WRs make sense... Diggs, Williams, Douglas, Boutte, Chism all have proven something or shown enough to this point that i think they deserve to be here over Hollins. Has anyone else? I don't think so. Is anyone else in another spot (particularly on offense) so valuable and hard to replace compared to what Hollins brings they should make it over him? I don't think so either at this point.

Also if they decide Bourne is valuable enough to keep he'd be the 6th... but i hate his contract and it is an easy chance to save money to get some good FAs next year, and they will want more. Cause they are not a super bowl team. So until we are, lets not waste resources when we can instead use them to get more talent... maybe a guard or a legit young WR or a really good nickle CB.

 

[Real fan 02]

The main argument for him making the roster is veteran presence, blocking and size. All important things. However while we don't have size at WR we do have size at TE... We have 2 guys who are big targets if we need them in Henry and Hooper.

The blocking is nice, but in the end pass catching is the more valuable skill. And if every time you are put on the field it is a running play, the D will certainly notice that. So obviously a few pass plays need to be thrown in. The question than becomes (if we have superior pass catching options) how many times do we need to have an inferior pass catcher on the field in a passing play so we can have a superior run blocking on a running play? And in the end passing is more valuable than running. It just is. I know you can also argue he can block on passing plays too as a lead blocker up the field. But imo that isn't as value as people think. That suggest the idea the WR will escape his initial defender after catching the ball and that your blocking is good enough to make a substantial difference.

As for the Vet leadership. That certain is valuable, but talent, youth and play making ability is also valuable.

Am I saying he shouldn't be kept? No. But while i have him as lock for now, that has more to do with no one really forcing him off the roster or being more valuable right now IMO.

Right now I feel like keeping 6 WRs make sense... Diggs, Williams, Douglas, Boutte, Chism all have proven something or shown enough to this point that i think they deserve to be here over Hollins. Has anyone else? I don't think so. Is anyone else in another spot (particularly on offense) so valuable and hard to replace compared to what Hollins brings they should make it over him? I don't think so either at this point.

Also if they decide Bourne is valuable enough to keep he'd be the 6th... but i hate his contract and it is an easy chance to save money to get some good FAs next year, and they will want more. Cause they are not a super bowl team. So until we are, lets not waste resources when we can instead use them to get more talent... maybe a guard or a legit young WR or a really good nickle CB.

Very sensible and logical points. As you mentioned about defenses will know what we are doing by the personnel on the field at wr. With having Josh back this is where I feel the entire offense will have advantages. We need to be a effective and efficient passing offense and running offense.. when you can do both it keeps defenses off balance.

Bourne is interesting becuase he has the experience as does Hollins in Josh system. So as veterans they have that feather in their cap.

Henry and Hooper are big red zone targets remember Henry had like double digit TDs under Josh. I expect that to be a reality . Running the ball between and off tackle with rham, gibby and Henderson will be essential for whatever we want to do on offense. We had a QB who also is dual threat. Expect more designed runs for Drake as well this season.

 

[Ring 6]

The main argument for him making the roster is veteran presence, blocking and size. All important things. However while we don't have size at WR we do have size at TE... We have 2 guys who are big targets if we need them in Henry and Hooper.

The blocking is nice, but in the end pass catching is the more valuable skill. And if every time you are put on the field it is a running play, the D will certainly notice that. So obviously a few pass plays need to be thrown in. The question than becomes (if we have superior pass catching options) how many times do we need to have an inferior pass catcher on the field in a passing play so we can have a superior run blocking on a running play? And in the end passing is more valuable than running. It just is. I know you can also argue he can block on passing plays too as a lead blocker up the field. But imo that isn't as value as people think. That suggest the idea the WR will escape his initial defender after catching the ball and that your blocking is good enough to make a substantial difference.

As for the Vet leadership. That certain is valuable, but talent, youth and play making ability is also valuable.

Am I saying he shouldn't be kept? No. But while i have him as lock for now, that has more to do with no one really forcing him off the roster or being more valuable right now IMO.

Right now I feel like keeping 6 WRs make sense... Diggs, Williams, Douglas, Boutte, Chism all have proven something or shown enough to this point that i think they deserve to be here over Hollins. Has anyone else? I don't think so. Is anyone else in another spot (particularly on offense) so valuable and hard to replace compared to what Hollins brings they should make it over him? I don't think so either at this point.

Also if they decide Bourne is valuable enough to keep he'd be the 6th... but i hate his contract and it is an easy chance to save money to get some good FAs next year, and they will want more. Cause they are not a super bowl team. So until we are, lets not waste resources when we can instead use them to get more talent... maybe a guard or a legit young WR or a really good nickle CB.

What has Chism proven?