Cool Link Good read on Efton Chism III

[Huckleberry1]

Yes, typo thanks. Over a 4.7 40. Still that is very slow. Not applicable to be a gunner.

I think Schooler is their gunner anyways, but that doesn’t mean Chism can’t defend kicks.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yeah, I would say he starts as a gunner, then slowly starts getting some reps as a punt or kick returner, and then after that slowly starts getting WR reps.

I think he will be their slot guy in the Welker/Edelman role almost from the get go, and their starting slot in that role by midseason.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Kobee Minor is probably pretty upset having no chance of making the PatsFans roster.

He’s likely going to end up on their PS.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Chism ran a 4.71 40, and when you are talking about 10’ths of a second I would think that the ability to evade blockers and the football sense to know where the returner will end starting from matter much more than just a pure 40 time, and his acceleration is one of his best assets.

Tenths of a second make a big difference. That is why they test for it. Chism can accelerate and is quick, but also is slow. I have never particularly looked, but I don't remember a Gunner that slow.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Tenths of a second make a big difference. That is why they test for it. Chism can accelerate and is quick, but also is slow. I have never particularly looked, but I don't remember a Gunner that slow.

I never said he would be a gunner, I said the article was the first mention I had heard that he could contribute to defensive special teams. I already knew he could be a kick returner. And as your quote suggested the ability to avoid blockers is a key ability on defensive special teams, as is toughness, and he has both in spades.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

There is FAR MORE than recorded speed.
I've seen that ****, been so dumb... it's not as ridiculous as you guys think.
Speed is a Straight line, it's not what is reality in football.
Guys have twitch, that's why Chism is going to make the 53...he broke Kupps ****, which means he is pretty good without camp.
I'm betting he makes it.

Kupp ran a 4.6+, Chism a 4.7+, Chism is slow. At Eastern Washington speed is not that critical, but on an NFL field speed plays an important role. The NFL is a lot different than the Big Sky Conference.

Speed is why Vrabel signed smaller faster LBs. Speed is why we drafted Henderson in R2. Speed is critical for WRs as demonstrated by Tyreek Hill.

I think Chism makes it too, but speed is a reality in the NFL, and straight line speed demonstrates who is faster. There are other factors than speed, but without speed at all levels an NFL team is hopeless.

 

[Love The Drake]

Kupp ran a 4.6+, Chism a 4.7+, Chism is slow. At Eastern Washington speed is not that critical, but on an NFL field speed plays an important role. The NFL is a lot different than the Big Sky Conference.

Speed is why Vrabel signed smaller faster LBs. Speed is why we drafted Henderson in R2. Speed is critical for WRs as demonstrated by Tyreek Hill.

I think Chism makes it too, but speed is a reality in the NFL, and straight line speed demonstrates who is faster. There are other factors than speed, but without speed at all levels an NFL team is hopeless.

Yes but as you mentioned Kupp and Chism has the same speed.
If Chism is half of a young Kupp, we hit that signing out of the park.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Kupp ran a 4.6+, Chism a 4.7+, Chism is slow. At Eastern Washington speed is not that critical, but on an NFL field speed plays an important role. The NFL is a lot different than the Big Sky Conference.

Speed is why Vrabel signed smaller faster LBs. Speed is why we drafted Henderson in R2. Speed is critical for WRs as demonstrated by Tyreek Hill.

I think Chism makes it too, but speed is a reality in the NFL, and straight line speed demonstrates who is faster. There are other factors than speed, but without speed at all levels an NFL team is hopeless.

Welker ran a 4.65, and played the exact same style and position Chism will be playing here. Straight line speed doesn’t matter in that role, what matters is the ability to cut, start, and stop on a dime, and get leverage and open instantly, and Chism, like Welker, excels in those attributes. If he was supposed to play outside he wouldn’t make it in the NFL, but in this very specific role he’s a perfect fit. I think he will end up 2nd or 3rd on this team in receptions this season. The yardage won’t be huge, but his contributions to first downs and keeping Maye upright by getting open instantly will be significant.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yes but as you mentioned Kupp and Chism has the same speed.

????????

If Chism is half of a young Kupp, we hit that signing out of the park.

It is always great to have hope based on correltaion to previous players, but that is only a hope, not a strategy. We will see how Chism does with pads on during camp. Can Chism get off the line versus a press defense? Can Chism separate with his quickness versus lack of speed? We will see.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Welker ran a 4.65, and played the exact same style and position Chism will be playing here. Straight line speed doesn’t matter in that role, what matters is the ability to cut, start, and stop on a dime, and get leverage and open instantly, and Chism, like Welker, excels in those attributes. If he was supposed to play outside he wouldn’t make it in the NFL, but in this very specific role he’s a perfect fit. I think he will end up 2nd or 3rd on this team in receptions this season. The yardage won’t be huge, but his contributions to first downs and keeping Maye upright by getting open instantly will be significant.

You might be right, but there is a lot more involved. That is why Chism was undrafted, if it was as simple as your post Chism would have been drafted in R3 or R4. Kupp was drafted in R3 and Chism was undrafted, you keep posting how amazing Chism is, but you fail to mention his shortcomings that dropped him from R3 to UDFA.

If Chism beat Kupp's records at Eastern Washington, and if Chism perfectly fits the slot role like Edelman, Welker, and Kupp (your repeated posts claim this), why didn't the LA Rams pick Chism in the draft like they picked Kupp in R3?

 

[Huckleberry1]

You might be right, but there is a lot more involved. That is why Chism was undrafted, if it was as simple as your post Chism would have been drafted in R3 or R4. Kupp was drafted in R3 and Chism was undrafted, you keep posting how amazing Chism is, but you fail to mention his shortcomings that dropped him from R3 to UDFA.

If Chism beat Kupp's records at Eastern Washington, and if Chism perfectly fits the slot role like Edelman, Welker, and Kupp (your repeated posts claim this), why didn't the LA Rams pick Chism in the draft like they picked Kupp in R3?

Actually what I posted repeatedly is that if you watch the footage of Chism playing at Eastern Washington he looks exactly like Edelman, and it’s really fun to watch. He’s exceptionally athletic, tough, has great hands, and plays his ass off. I haven’t seen anything from the Patriots camps, and I don’t put much stock in anything without pads. And the reason this excites me so much is that I believe that the WelkerEdelman slot role is a quarterbacks best friend, because that’s the guy you can go to when a pass rush is destroying your OL and immediately in your quarterbacks face. Douglas and Diggs play out of the slot at times, but they don’t play that specific start-stop-start instantly open role that Welker and Edelman played for Brady, that saved both his ass and countless drives for them. Chism brings that role back for them, and I’m betting that’s what both MacDaniels and Vrabel will see in him, and that’s why I’m betting on great things for him. Am I right, only time and a lot of games will tell, but that’s what I’m betting on. If I’m wrong I’m sure that many here won’t hesitate to tell me what a stupid mother****er I am, but that’s ok, I’m used to that.

One, if you can find the podcast where his EW coach is interviewed there is a ton of footage of his play, and it’s eye opening.

 

[Pacific Coast Patriot]

Chism has an uphill battle, but if 4.70 was some black and white cutoff that means he can't make it in the NFL, then the Pats wouldn't be wasting reps on him... Welker's 4.65 speed seemed to be enough to go 99 yards...

Welker 99yd TD

 

[Huckleberry1]

Chism has an uphill battle, but if 4.70 was some black and white cutoff that means he can't make it in the NFL, then the Pats wouldn't be wasting reps on him... Welker's 4.65 speed seemed to be enough to go 99 yards...

Welker 99yd TD

Imo his 40 time is irrelevant because he’s not going to be used outside the hashes, his role is going to be underneath, and it’s his short area quickness that will matter most, and he excels in that regard.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Actually what I posted repeatedly is that if you watch the footage of Chism playing at Eastern Washington he looks exactly like Edelman, and it’s really fun to watch. He’s exceptionally athletic, tough, has great hands, and plays his ass off. I haven’t seen anything from the Patriots camps, and I don’t put much stock in anything without pads. And the reason this excites me so much is that I believe that the WelkerEdelman slot role is a quarterbacks best friend, because that’s the guy you can go to when a pass rush is destroying your OL and immediately in your quarterbacks face. Douglas and Diggs play out of the slot at times, but they don’t play that specific start-stop-start instantly open role that Welker and Edelman played for Brady, that saved both his ass and countless drives for them. Chism brings that role back for them, and I’m betting that’s what both MacDaniels and Vrabel will see in him, and that’s why I’m betting on great things for him. Am I right, only time and a lot of games will tell, but that’s what I’m betting on. If I’m wrong I’m sure that many here won’t hesitate to tell me what a stupid mother****er I am, but that’s ok, I’m used to that.

One, if you can find the podcast where his EW coach is interviewed there is a ton of footage of his play, and it’s eye opening.

You are missing that every GM in the NFL disagrees with you. Kupp was a R3 draft pick, and Chism went undrafted. There is a reason for that. If you understand why all of the GMs passed on Chism, you might be able to teach us all a thing or two. But looking at college tape in the Big Sky conference is not relevant to the NFL. Lots of guys would look like superstars (eye opening) in the Big Sky conference.

The LA Rams drafted Kupp in R3, and passed on Chism. Why?

 

[Huckleberry1]

You are missing that every GM in the NFL disagrees with you. Kupp was a R3 draft pick, and Chism went undrafted. There is a reason for that. If you understand why all of the GMs passed on Chism, you might be able to teach us all a thing or two. But looking at college tape in the Big Sky conference is not relevant to the NFL. Lots of guys would look like superstars (eye opening) in the Big Sky conference.

The LA Rams drafted Kupp in R3, and passed on Chism. Why?

Do you want to take up on the bet of 1 year of Patsfan.support that Chism makes the 53? Because there is no counter to the fact that 32 teams passed on him. I think they were wrong, and I have said why I disagree, but only time will tell.

If you want I can make a long list of players who were undrafted but still succeeded in the NFL? But I really don’t think that’s necessary because we both know that is also true.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Do you want to take up on the bet of 1 year of Patsfan.support that Chism makes the 53? Because there is no counter to the fact that 32 teams passed on him. I think they were wrong, and I have said why I disagree, but only time will tell.

If you want I can make a long list of players who were undrafted but still succeeded in the NFL? But I really don’t think that’s necessary because we both know that is also true.

I am not betting against Chism, I love him and hope he makes the 53. But I am not bat **** crazy about him like you.

There is a reason why Kupp went in R3 and Chism is UDFA. I do not know the reason except Chism is smaller and slower, but it does not seem like a lot smaller and slower. There must be a reason because all 32 GMs passed on Chism. You should figure that out instead of being shocked how great a player looks in the Big Sky conference. Everyone would appreciate your hard work figuring out why all 32 GMs were wrong instead of proposing a PatsFans bet..

 

[Huckleberry1]

You might be right, but there is a lot more involved. That is why Chism was undrafted, if it was as simple as your post Chism would have been drafted in R3 or R4. Kupp was drafted in R3 and Chism was undrafted, you keep posting how amazing Chism is, but you fail to mention his shortcomings that dropped him from R3 to UDFA.

If Chism beat Kupp's records at Eastern Washington, and if Chism perfectly fits the slot role like Edelman, Welker, and Kupp (your repeated posts claim this), why didn't the LA Rams pick Chism in the draft like they picked Kupp in R3?

Chism and Kupp are very different receivers. Kupp is 6’2 205, and he can play all over the field, Chism is 5’11 190, and his success is almost certainly going to come from a very specific role in New England. Why didn’t the Rams draft him, I have no idea how to answer that, as I don’t follow the Rams and have no idea what their needs were. I do know that the Patriots had to win a bidding war with 5 other teams to get him.

One, if you don’t believe in him that’s fine, I’m sure you are far from alone. But I really liked what I saw, and then what I read about him, as well as the reviews out of the camps they have held. And I think his road to the 53 is an easy one, as none of those he’s actually competing for a place on the roster can contribute on special teams, and I believe that guys going for the 4-5 WR positions, as well as those at the back of the defensive back units need to play special teams if they want to stick. And I obviously believe that the specific role MacDaniels will use him for is also a reason he will stick. We’ll see?

 

[Huckleberry1]

I am not betting against Chism, I love him and hope he makes the 53. But I am not bat **** crazy about him like you.

There is a reason why Kupp went in R3 and Chism is UDFA. I do not know the reason except Chism is smaller and slower, but it does not seem like a lot smaller and slower. There must be a reason because all 32 GMs passed on Chism. You should figure that out instead of being shocked how great a player looks in the Big Sky conference. Everyone would appreciate your hard work figuring out why all 32 GMs were wrong instead of proposing a PatsFans bet..

I don’t need to figure out what any of them were thinking, I know what I think, and that is that he will make the 53 and be their starting slot receiver by week 9. And the fact that you know he’s going to make the 53as well means that you know they were all wrong as well, or at a minimum that you believe they are all wrong, So I’m not really sure what your argument is, as we both apparently believe he’s going to a part of this team.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

The one real question about him is....Can he play OL? =D

 

[Rob0729]

I hope Chism lives up to the hype, but I think there is a chance that people may be setting themselves up for disappointment. Looking awesome in mini-camp (and I have heard reports he was quite towards the end of camp) doesn't mean it will transfer to the regular season or even the preseason.

Hopefully he becomes Edelman 2.0. But my enthusiasm is tempered until I see it for real. I still don't think he is even guaranteed a roster spot. I would say he still needs to have a good to great camp and preseason to get on the roster.

And I think he needs to show that he can play special teams to make the team. He can do punt returns. Many teams do not just have one guy doing punt returns. Jones and Chism have different skill sets and depending on the situation, you might need one or the other. Jones is really fast and would be more useful in long distance punting situations while Chism's quickness might be better used in short punting situations.