Schefter: Kayshon Boutte "deemed expendable" during draft weekend

[Ring 6]

...to make room for wheelchair guy and "best hands in the league"? Really?

Diggs
Draft pick
Douglass
Hollins

Not much room and less playing time for anyone else.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

FWIW, Schefter gives no reasoning as to why Boutte might be traded; he simply lists a bunch of players: "Here are players on rookie contracts who could be deemed expendable," and Boutte is the last name on that list.

Fundamentally speaking, there's no compelling reason not to trade Polk or Baker if someone is interested.

Sh!t against the wall.

 

[Water Boy]

We've all broken down the WR room.

Diggs - Z/slot
Douglas - slot
Hollins - X
Bourne - Z
Boutte - Z that masqueraded as an X last year.
Polk - Z/slot
Baker - Z/X

Patriots WR room. Z Z Z Z Z

 

[sb1]

According to Adan Schefter, Kayshon Boutte COULD BE "deemed expendable" to the Patriots in a possible trade this weekend.

You gotta think they intend to draft or trade for a starting quality WR this weekend if Boutte is expendable.

FIFY. There's a huge difference between "is" and "could be".

This tweet is just Schefter's opinion which means nothing more than ours.

 

[Ring 6]

Sh!t against the wall.

That’s literally what saying “here are some guys on rookie contract who could be deemed expendable after the draft”

 

[Headcase]

I think Diggs is still a borderline 1.
I also think Pop is a 2.

I think there are several that could be a 3 or 4 but none of them are so good that they aren't expendable except maybe Polk and that's just because we invested a 2nd rounder so let's at least see it through another training camp.

So basically I only see 2 as not expandable and best case we find a player who can compete to push Diggs and Pop down to WR2 and 3.

But we do have a decent amount of players that could be WR3 or 4 on the roster now but none are so good not to be upgraded or beat out. So in other words expendable.

The very least case we should be drafting someone (or trading for) to push that group to competing for 4 and 5.

Not sure why Schefter picks on Boutte as he might be the best of that second group. Polk probably should be but obviously proved nothing. And Bourne on year 2 after his injury could also still be best of those 3. I see Baker at the bottom of this group but maybe better coaching can still tap something.

I think in terms of offensive focus/number of attempts thrown their way; I think Pop may end up more like an Amendola #4, than a #2; especially with this draft which is full of slots/Zs, and weak on X (the position they really need). If a decent/good WR is drafted, he is more likely to push Pop down a slot than anyone else.....its just generally where the WRs in this draft fit.

And I'm going to write it every time I answer about WRs....numbers only generally refer the number of targets a player gets, it has nothing to do with position. It used to be that #1 = X, that is just the way teams were build, but it has been sliding away from that for a while. Talking about positions, X,Z,Slot makes alot more sense when talking bout the draft. Everyone wants a receiver, puts multiples in their mocks, but 90% of them most naturally fix at the same positions...where are they going to play?

and yes, in the Brady/Josh days all WRs where supposed to know all the positions, doesn't change the fact that certain skills, athletic traits, and body types are better suited for certain positions and you waste some of their ability by forcing them into a bad fit.

 

[Dec54]

Problem is, he shouldn’t be expendable, he’s the Pat’s 3rd best receiver at this moment.

I am not happy about trading Boutte. He has proven himself a damn sight more than the rest of the WR room.

 

[Dec54]

After the draft he may drop down the depth chart I see Diggs, Bourne, Douglas, Polk and Baker as 5 WRs
Polk and Baker are getting another year to prove themselves.

So you place Polk and Baker above Bouttie, explain that one to me.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I’m not a big fan of getting rid of Boutte. To me, he has the most upside of any receiver on the team. Boutte made bigger strides than almost anyone on the Patriots team last year and that’s what you want to see out of your young talent. He’s two years removed from his injury and he’s starting to play like he belongs and people want to get rid of him for a 6th round pick? To me it would be as bad as Joe Milton for compensatory 5th from Dallas. Have a little patience.

 

[Ring 6]

I am not happy about trading Boutte. He has proven himself a damn sight more than the rest of the WR room.

Proven what?
He started 13 games.
He had more than 4 catches twice.
He had 1 or 2 5 times.
He had 3 games of 50+ receiving yards.
He had 7 with less than 35 receiving yards. Thats more games than not he couldn’t find a way to gain 35 yards.

 

[Dec54]

Proven what?
He started 13 games.
He had more than 4 catches twice.
He had 1 or 2 5 times.
He had 3 games of 50+ receiving yards.
He had 7 with less than 35 receiving yards. Thats more games than not he couldn’t find a way to gain 35 yards.

And Polk and Baker did what?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Aint gonna get **** for him . Might as well bring him to camp

 

[Ring 6]

And Polk and Baker did what?

If your bar is set at being better then Polk and baker I dint know what to tell you

 

[Patriot Missile]

If your bar is set at being better then Polk and baker I dint know what to tell you

I’m willing to gamble on the kid from LSU that had to the 300 yard game in college before the injury derailed his career. Humbled by the injury and he’s getting his athleticism back which seems about right after that kind of injury. Seems to have a good relationship with Maye evidenced by the 6 targets a game after week 6 and increased production. Damn straight I’m riding this guy to see how it goes.

 

[Ring 6]

I’m willing to gamble on the kid from LSU that had to the 300 yard game in college before the injury derailed his career. Humbled by the injury and he’s getting his athleticism back which seems about right after that kind of injury. Seems to have a good relationship with Maye evidenced by the 6 targets a game after week 6 and increased production. Damn straight I’m riding this guy to see how it goes.

His numbers with Maye were poor for a starting WR.
His 300 yard game in college was 5 years ago
If we are going to win we need someone better than what he has shown.

 

[Dec54]

If your bar is set at being better then Polk and baker I dint know what to tell you

That's a change for you.

 

[Ian]

His numbers with Maye were poor for a starting WR.
His 300 yard game in college was 5 years ago
If we are going to win we need someone better than what he has shown.

I don't know where you're getting that from. His numbers with Maye were solid:


His numbers with Brissett weren't great, albeit he only had 7 targets and caught all but one of them:


The kid had a great year, all things considered, especially for somebody not many of us had high expectations for. But to say his numbers were poor with Maye definitely isn't accurate.

You can play around with this. I didn't look at the numbers over a given stretch or anything, but that's what this is here for:

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[Ring 6]

That's a change for you.

No I would never engage someone who thinks just “better than Polk or Baker” is the goal

 

[Ring 6]

I don't know where you're getting that from. His numbers with Maye were solid:


His numbers with Brissett weren't great, albeit he only had 7 targets and caught all but one of them:


The kid had a great year, all things considered, especially for somebody not many of us had high expectations for. But to say his numbers were poor with Maye definitely isn't accurate.

You can play around with this. I didn't look at the numbers over a given stretch or anything, but that's what this is here for:

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30 catches for 381 yards isn’t close to what I would call solid.
Maye played 63% of the snaps so that would equal 48/600 over a full season. Thats not great, it’s well below acceptable for a starting WR.

 

[signbabybrady]

I think in terms of offensive focus/number of attempts thrown their way; I think Pop may end up more like an Amendola #4, than a #2; especially with this draft which is full of slots/Zs, and weak on X (the position they really need). If a decent/good WR is drafted, he is more likely to push Pop down a slot than anyone else.....its just generally where the WRs in this draft fit.

And I'm going to write it every time I answer about WRs....numbers only generally refer the number of targets a player gets, it has nothing to do with position. It used to be that #1 = X, that is just the way teams were build, but it has been sliding away from that for a while. Talking about positions, X,Z,Slot makes alot more sense when talking bout the draft. Everyone wants a receiver, puts multiples in their mocks, but 90% of them most naturally fix at the same positions...where are they going to play?

and yes, in the Brady/Josh days all WRs where supposed to know all the positions, doesn't change the fact that certain skills, athletic traits, and body types are better suited for certain positions and you waste some of their ability by forcing them into a bad fit.

I'm thinking in terms of what Pop has done in his first 2 years. I thought he'd have a better year 2 after his rookie year. On paper the production is similar but I think his first year was the better of the two. Now consider he plays the slot which is typically a high volume position for McDs offense. I'm not saying he's going to put up 100 receptions like Wes or Jules but I think it's pretty simple to think going into his third year with better QB play and Better OC that he can improve still.

Boutte is in a similar spot too he just doesn't have the rookie year Pop did. My opinion is Pop is the better of the 2 and the more likely to improve but you're entitled to like Boutte more.