If no trade partner for 4th overall and Carter/Hunter gone, who do you pick?

[Grogan14]

After his measured at the combine you may see his stock drop. He was seen as a 320lb DT that moved like a much lighter one; turns out he is actually just much lighter. On top of that, apparently he just doesn't have the muscle mass that you would expect from a 290lb DT, he looks "soft" and "unimposing" .

I'm sure there will be questions about will he have the work effort to change his body, and is he just an underweight DT that will have problems again NFL guards.

This. 296 is too light to be a dominating DT unless you are Aaron Donald

Not worth the #4

 

[Love The Drake]

This. 296 is too light to be a dominating DT unless you are Aaron Donald

Not worth the #4

Agree I would be really upset if we pick him at 4.

 

[manxman2601]

I would add two long shot names. Perhaps the value isn't great, but there's no-one that represents great value at 4 currently.

1. Jahdae Barron, DB, Texas

Can play almost anywhere in the secondary: FS, nickel back, outside corner. Is fast becoming the no 1 DB in the draft. Ran a 4.39



2. Jihaad Cambell, LB/EDGE, Alabama

His on field drills at the combine were arguably the best of the everyone. 81 run defense grade, 80 coverage grade and a 76 pass rushing grade. He can do everything at the linebacker spot including rushing off the edge.



These might not be the best value picks and people might turn their noses up because, as late risers, they haven't really sunk into the collective conscience yet but these are, arguably, two of the safest picks to make with no downside and will make a huge difference to the defense.

 

[manxman2601]

This. 296 is too light to be a dominating DT unless you are Aaron Donald

Not worth the #4

This is the problem though. Outside of Hunter and Carter, who is worth the 4?

I think the options break down into 3 categories

1. The prospects with issues: Mason Graham (size and arm length), Will Campbell (arms and wingspan), Tet McMillan (speed)

2. The high ceiling, low floor: Shemar Stewart, Matthew Golden, Jalon Walker, Mykel Williams

3. The safe and exceptional but questionable value: Jahdae Barron, Jihaad Campbell, Armand Membou, Ashton Jeanty, Tyler Warren

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think Mykel Williams and Shemar Stewart are both firmly in this conversations

I think I’d choose between one of these, Will Johnson, or Tyler Warren. I’d probably take Williams because of the attributes and young age.

*edit* Also, RLKAG.

Neither Williams or Stewart have any production. For me it’s between Campbell and Warren.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is the problem though. Outside of Hunter and Carter, who is worth the 4?

I think the options break down into 3 categories

1. The prospects with issues: Mason Graham (size and arm length), Will Campbell (arms and wingspan), Tet McMillan (speed)

2. The high ceiling, low floor: Shemar Stewart, Matthew Golden, Jalon Walker, Mykel Williams

3. The safe and exceptional but questionable value: Jahdae Barron, Jihaad Campbell, Armand Membou, Ashton Jeanty, Tyler Warren

If they can’t fix tackle in free agency I go with Campbell. They can’t allow Nate to take a beating again. If they can I take Warren. It’s high for a TE but it would give Maye a long term security blanket to throw to, and a major red zone presence. And Maye loves throwing to the TE.

 

[jboston19]

Neither Williams or Stewart have any production. For me it’s between Campbell and Warren.

It’s definitely a tough draft to have a high pick. Cambell’s intriguing and I won’t fault anyone for wanting him. That wingspan terrifies me now, though.

 

[manxman2601]

If they can’t fix tackle in free agency I go with Campbell. They can’t allow Nate to take a beating again. If they can I take Warren. It’s high for a TE but it would give Maye a long term security blanket to throw to, and a major red zone presence. And Maye loves throwing to the TE.

I'm almost with you although I would personally add Membou who is an outstanding RT. My top 4 would probably be:

1. Will Campbell
2. Armand Membou
3. Tyler Warren
4. Mason Graham

However I am really warming to Barron and Campbell. Daniel Jeremiah has both in his top 12 and PFF have both in their top 10 and if you ignore positional value, they both might be the best prospects of the lot who would become long-term cornerstones of our defense.

 

[Huckleberry1]

It’s definitely a tough draft to have a high pick. Cambell’s intriguing and I won’t fault anyone for wanting him. That wingspan terrifies me now, though.

It doesn’t bother me because he has been playing against the best defenders in the country from age 18-21, and played great against them. Howie Roseman built the Eagles defense on SEC defenders, and Campbell is the guy who played great at Left Tackle against them.

 

[jboston19]

It doesn’t bother me because he has been playing against the best defenders in the country from age 18-21, and played great against them. Howie Roseman built the Eagles defense on SEC defenders, and Campbell is the guy who played great at Left Tackle against them.

His resume does speak for itself.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

This. 296 is too light to be a dominating DT unless you are Aaron Donald

Not worth the #4

Can Campbell not easily add weight and has room to grow ?
What are the arguments against him besides weight and arm length although arm length I feel like was never heavily discussed in last drafts for DT

 

[signbabybrady]

I'm almost with you although I would personally add Membou who is an outstanding RT. My top 4 would probably be:

1. Will Campbell
2. Armand Membou
3. Tyler Warren
4. Mason Graham

However I am really warming to Barron and Campbell. Daniel Jeremiah has both in his top 12 and PFF have both in their top 10 and if you ignore positional value, they both might be the best prospects of the lot who would become long-term cornerstones of our defense.

Do you think Membou is a good enough RT prospect that you'd be OK with Lowe at LT again?

If we can't fill LT in free agency and we go RT in the first we could end up with left to right Lowe, Strange, David Andrews, Onwenwu, and Membou. For this exercise let's assume healthy Strange and Andrews is Membou enough?

 

[manxman2601]

Do you think Membou is a good enough RT prospect that you'd be OK with Lowe at LT again?

If we can't fill LT in free agency and we go RT in the first we could end up with left to right Lowe, Strange, David Andrews, Onwenwu, and Membou. For this exercise let's assume healthy Strange and Andrews is Membou enough?

No, if we don't get a FA LT, then Lowe is not enough but nor do I think any of the draft LTs are good enough to take that high unless Simmons proves beyond doubt he'll be at full fitness next year. So, in that case, you trade back into the first to get Conerly or Ersery or take someone like Charles Grant in the 3rd.

 

[TommyD4207]

This. 296 is too light to be a dominating DT unless you are Aaron Donald

Not worth the #4

Mason Graham isn't as good of a pass rusher as some of the 5 other Rush DTs that are between 285-300 you can get in this draft.

Defensive Tackle is stacked this year.

 

[TommyD4207]

Do you think Membou is a good enough RT prospect that you'd be OK with Lowe at LT again?

If we can't fill LT in free agency and we go RT in the first we could end up with left to right Lowe, Strange, David Andrews, Onwenwu, and Membou. For this exercise let's assume healthy Strange and Andrews is Membou enough?

If you're drafting Membou in the first round or early second, it's to play left tackle.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

Probably Graham. But I’m also trying like hell to get to 10-15 to take Banks too. King Tet would be cool but I’m not sure he’s worth it at 4.

 

[Headcase]

Can Campbell not easily add weight and has room to grow ?
What are the arguments against him besides weight and arm length although arm length I feel like was never heavily discussed in last drafts for DT

I assume you mean Graham....the question becomes does he lose any of his movement skills with more weight?

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Graham is off my list after he weighed in at 295. I think they will take Campbell if they can not trade down

Would be a monumental horrific decision

 

[Patsfan1645]

I think if Carter and Hunter are gone we need to find a dance partner. When there is no obvious choice then we need to stock pile picks. Reading this thread makes it clear that there is no clear selection at 4 if neither of those two are available. With Graham coming in way too light and Campbell with his T-Rex arms your gambling that they can defy whats considered the standard for success in the NFL. McMillan not participating in the combine leads me to believe his handlers were concerned his performance would decrease his value. If your fast show your fast, he has everything you want in a WR except raw speed, Harry 2.0? There are other quality players that we could certainly use in this draft but are they worth the 4th overall pick? Its not clear at the 4 spot beyond Carter and Hunter and at this point I think I look for a trade down.

 

[Love The Drake]

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I think if Carter and Hunter are gone we need to find a dance partner. When there is no obvious choice then we need to stock pile picks. Reading this thread makes it clear that there is no clear selection at 4 if neither of those two are available. With Graham coming in way too light and Campbell with his T-Rex arms your gambling that they can defy whats considered the standard for success in the NFL. McMillan not participating in the combine leads me to believe his handlers were concerned his performance would decrease his value. If your fast show your fast, he has everything you want in a WR except raw speed, Harry 2.0? There are other quality players that we could certainly use in this draft but are they worth the 4th overall pick? It’s not clear at the 4 spot beyond Carter and Hunter and at this point I think I look for a trade down.

Warren, physical freak at tight end will be Mayes security blanket for years