What is Joe Milton worth?

[yukon cornelius]

People overemphasize that it was the Bills 3rd stringers, when the fact is they had half their starters out there, including their stars like Milano. Teams aren't that deep.

And beyond that, he was getting rushed out of the pocket and he was making his plays. A lot of his plays were not against a soft defense as much as they were broken plays.

Sure, the Bills may not have been playing hard, but you "plenty of vets" line is wrong. Brisset would not have been able to accomplish much of anything in those same circumstances and the same goes for Mariota or Rudolph, etc. Only a top tier backup would.

Milton is nowhere near a top tier backup......not now, and I question if ever......there's plenty of vet backups who can give you what you need short term........there's not many backups who could save a season if Maye went down, not with this roster, even a one year improved roster, Milton included

you move Milton when his perceived value around the league is highest......if you can get an overpay right now, because of high QB need and low QB draft talent, with the roster holes this team has, you do it........this team does not need a high end back up right now, that's a luxury they cannot afford..........if you cannot get a return that is much better than his draft slot, by all means keep Milton.......but if you can get a 4th, I am not sure his value is going to get any higher

 

[yukon cornelius]

I’m holding Milton until Maye proves himself, and proves that he can eliminate the random brain fart interceptions.

Also Milton is an ascending asset, you don’t sell a stock at 8% if you see a clear trend that it’s still climbing.

If Milton is worth a 3rd now, what’s he worth a year from now when Maye proves he is a stud, Vrabel turns this into a premier operation again and Milton lights it up next preseason? A 2nd, a 1st?

A fully trained QB ready to start is worth a lot more. BB didn’t get the offer he wanted for JimmyG back in the offseason, so he waited until the last possible second and got the same compensation he got offered back in the offseason. If Jimmy had played those four games during the Brady suspension a first round pick was guaranteed.

Hold Milton, just in case, force someone to offer the moon out of desperation. QB’s are a premium position.

if this were 100% predictable, sure.......I am not sure Milton's ceiling IS much higher than where he's at right now, though

 

[gobesmug]

if this were 100% predictable, sure.......I am not sure Milton's ceiling IS much higher than where he's at right now, though

Which is why it would be foolish to trade him now. When drafted the hope was he could become the backup to save cap space from paying a vet backup.

Milton demonstrated the ability to go out and make smart plays and run the offense. He looks like at the very least, a capable backup QB.

Even if he never improves past that. His value as a backup saves a lot of cash that can be used on players that will make a bigger impact on winning, than a guy sitting on the bench. No reason to pay a guy like Jacoby 8mil when you could use that on the defense or offense.

 

[Wozzy]

if this were 100% predictable, sure.......I am not sure Milton's ceiling IS much higher than where he's at right now, though

Presumably he won’t play, the Patriots as a team will improve substantially, a more experienced QB from a good system is worth more than an inexperienced unknown.

Milton costs peanuts, two potentially good/great starting QB’s on the roster is better than one. There’s no rush and there will always be teams desperate for a QB. A middle round pick is nice, a first or second is better.

 

[Steve102]

Is he better than Cunningham?

Randall?

 

[yukon cornelius]

Which is why it would be foolish to trade him now. When drafted the hope was he could become the backup to save cap space from paying a vet backup.

Milton demonstrated the ability to go out and make smart plays and run the offense. He looks like at the very least, a capable backup QB.

Even if he never improves past that. His value as a backup saves a lot of cash that can be used on players that will make a bigger impact on winning, than a guy sitting on the bench. No reason to pay a guy like Jacoby 8mil when you could use that on the defense or offense.

I don't think that's why they drafted Milton......I believe they drafted him as Maye insurance (unnecessary) with an eye towards flipping him for draft capital

I 100% believe Milton will not serve out his entire rookie contract here.......I am AOK with keeping him IF it increases his value.......he's fine as a backup in that he's cheap; however, if Maye goes down long term, the season goes down......Milton should be moved when you can get the biggest return; right now i THINK that bigger return is down the road, but if someone gets desperate right now with the weak QB class, then I am not adverse to moving him now.......I don't think a 4th right now is out of the question, and if someone were to go higher than a 4th, I'd jump all over it......

 

[Pape]

People overemphasize that it was the Bills 3rd stringers, when the fact is they had half their starters out there, including their stars like Milano. Teams aren't that deep.

And beyond that, he was getting rushed out of the pocket and he was making his plays. A lot of his plays were not against a soft defense as much as they were broken plays.

Sure, the Bills may not have been playing hard, but you "plenty of vets" line is wrong. Brisset would not have been able to accomplish much of anything in those same circumstances and the same goes for Mariota or Rudolph, etc. Only a top tier backup would.

people cannot over emphasize that we were playing against back ups enough... it was a regular season game in name only.

matt milano did not play a single down... in fact, on the defensive side of the ball, out of the top ten buffalo players in terms of snap counts for that game, only one player, Damar Hamilin, played in more than 50% of the defensive plays for the entire year for Buffalo...

and they certainly didn't look like they were playing hard... correct me if i'm wrong, they punted from our 35 yard line did they not?

 

[Pape]

Randall?

lmao


Maaaaallllliiiikkkkk Cunningham... the one that set everyones hands wringing when Baltimore scooped him off our practice squad

 

[yukon cornelius]

Presumably he won’t play, the Patriots as a team will improve substantially, a more experienced QB from a good system is worth more than an inexperienced unknown.

Milton costs peanuts, two potentially good/great starting QB’s on the roster is better than one. There’s no rush and there will always be teams desperate for a QB. A middle round pick is nice, a first or second is better.

I don't entirely disagree.......I just don't want to see his value peak before a move is made; I am not 100% convinced Milton's ceiling is that much higher than where he's at, and this projects to be the weakest QB class in the next few years

I am not advocating moving him, I am not advocating keeping him.......I just want him moved when they can get the biggest return.......

 

[Steve102]

people cannot over emphasize that we were playing against back ups enough... it was a regular season game in name only.

matt milano did not play a single down... in fact, on the defensive side of the ball, out of the top ten buffalo players in terms of snap counts for that game, only one player, Damar Hamilin, played in more than 50% of the defensive plays for the entire year for Buffalo...

and they certainly didn't look like they were playing hard... correct me if i'm wrong, they punted from our 35 yard line did they not?

No, what Milton showed was nice pre-season/exhibition game play. Bills played back-ups with a vanilla base. Let's see how he does when defenses are playing "angry".

 

[yukon cornelius]

No, what Milton showed was nice pre-season/exhibition game play. Bills played back-ups with a vanilla base. Let's see how he does when defenses are playing "angry".

heck, i'd be happy if he can replicate half of that level of play in a pre-season game, I'd be happy.....did he show improvement from last preseason? likely......his mechanics alone looked better........but like many have said, I don't think he was seeing the urgency even of a preseason game

 

[Grogan14]

Keep him for another year. Let him play in goal line situations and unexpected times. If Drake gets hurt he will get a chance to prove his worth.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I don't think that's why they drafted Milton......I believe they drafted him as Maye insurance (unnecessary) with an eye towards flipping him for draft capital

I 100% believe Milton will not serve out his entire rookie contract here.......I am AOK with keeping him IF it increases his value.......he's fine as a backup in that he's cheap; however, if Maye goes down long term, the season goes down......Milton should be moved when you can get the biggest return; right now i THINK that bigger return is down the road, but if someone gets desperate right now with the weak QB class, then I am not adverse to moving him now.......I don't think a 4th right now is out of the question, and if someone were to go higher than a 4th, I'd jump all over it......

Yeah, they definitely drafted him as a flyer. I think they'd be happy if he developed into a capable QB2. I think they'd be happy to trade him for a pick. However until McD and company get a real good look at him and see what he can do, I'm not sure they can make a decision on the QB2 part. So I think it'll be a little while before we know what the decision will be.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Yeah, they definitely drafted him as a flyer. I think they'd be happy if he developed into a capable QB2. I think they'd be happy to trade him for a pick. However until McD and company get a real good look at him and see what he can do, I'm not sure they can make a decision on the QB2 part. So I think it'll be a little while before we know what the decision will be.

agreed - and i THINK his value should go up with more time here......i think a 3 down the road is a reasonable possibility

BUT, desperation is rife around the league right now......for many teams QB has become a turnstile........if someone came forth right now with a reasonably silly offer (a 3 right now, a combo of picks this year and next, etc) I'd have zero problem with it

 

[mike_usagisan]

agreed - and i THINK his value should go up with more time here......i think a 3 down the road is a reasonable possibility

BUT, desperation is rife around the league right now......for many teams QB has become a turnstile........if someone came forth right now with a reasonably silly offer (a 3 right now, a combo of picks this year and next, etc) I'd have zero problem with it

Yeah. I mean at this point, I'm intrigued what is worth more to the new coaches: a 4th or a capable QB2 (assuming he is capable in their view)? Does Vrabel, etc. decide on draft day when they see who is still available in the 4th?

 

[upstater1]

people cannot over emphasize that we were playing against back ups enough... it was a regular season game in name only.

matt milano did not play a single down... in fact, on the defensive side of the ball, out of the top ten buffalo players in terms of snap counts for that game, only one player, Damar Hamilin, played in more than 50% of the defensive plays for the entire year for Buffalo...

and they certainly didn't look like they were playing hard... correct me if i'm wrong, they punted from our 35 yard line did they not?

I just read Milano was out there.

I'm wrong if that's not true.

But are you sure that the Patriots played hard?

The guy I saw was under a constant rush, out of the pocket, making throws that not many could make.

I well recognize it wasn't a typical NFL defense or a typical NFL game, but that goes both ways.

What I am saying is that he was doing things most backups cannot do.

 

[Triumph]

Exactly.....One game against 3rd string players on a team that had no interest in winning the game. And we have people claiming he is worth a second round pick....lol!

If another team must have Milton, a 3rd that could be a 2nd is the price.

Milton showed skills out there IMO. All the talk that I read about Milton having no short ball touch were false from that game.

A much larger sample size of his body of work was his college career and he lands in the 6th round of the draft yet one game makes him so much more valuable? Is he the next TB? I have my doubts.

With NFL defenses hitting and sacking QBs like there is no tomorrow, the likelihood of Maye missing games is too close for comfort. Mahomes and others get the calls, but nobody QBs generally do not. The shoddy Pats OL isn't fixed yet.

 

[Huckleberry1]

There was talk Hoyer was going to bring back a decent pick in a trade early on.

Hoyer never had what Milton has, a high ceiling, which increases his value greatly. But right now he hasn’t shown enough to get a high pick for him.

 

[Brotherblues]

If the Steelers are willing to take Milton and pick 38 for pick 21, I'm all for it.

Other than that he's of more value to us as Drake Maye concussion insurance.

 

[Patsfan1645]

If another team must have Milton, a 3rd that could be a 2nd is the price.

Milton showed skills out there IMO. All the talk that I read about Milton having no short ball touch were false from that game.

With NFL defenses hitting and sacking QBs like there is no tomorrow, the likelihood of Maye missing games is too close for comfort. Mahomes and others get the calls, but nobody QBs generally do not. The shoddy Pats OL isn't fixed yet.

I like keeping Milton as a back up. I would feel a little better until we see more of him in games that matter having a veteran on the team if Maye were to miss multiple games. I don't see any team giving a 2nd for him until he has played in more games and shows his true value.