Vrabel's Staff Discussion Thread (Discuss related news here)

[Ring 6]

We are on the same Team AJ: any Offense but Jabbar Van Pelt's.

Van Punt is bad. It doesn’t mean the concepts, plays, system, etc that he uses is bad, it means he coaches it poorly and doesn’t think like you want a good coach to think, leading to bad game plans and strategically bad play calling.

Not unlike any other coach. The system they adopt is really irrelevant, it’s their vision and ability to coach it that matters.

 

[PatsFan2]

Van Punt is bad. It doesn’t mean the concepts, plays, system, etc that he uses is bad, it means he coaches it poorly and doesn’t think like you want a good coach to think, leading to bad game plans and strategically bad play calling.

Not unlike any other coach. The system they adopt is really irrelevant, it’s their vision and ability to coach it that matters.

Jabbar Van Pelt was a Rookie at it last year: but I don't want Maye going through that learning curve with him. Our Offense was an absolute joke last year: no imagination whatsoever. Another sideways pass.

 

[Ring 6]

Jabbar Van Pelt was a Rookie at it last year: but I don't Maye going through that learning curve with him. Our Offense was an absolute joke last year: no imagination whatsoever. Another sideways pass.

Why do you call him jabbar?

 

[Toofy]

Why is there zero movement on coaches since Monday. Has vrabel already zeroed in on coaches. Where are the Rooney rule candidates / interviews. Or is it because the league has stipulated that pats lie low to give everyone equal opportunity. Makes zero sense that there are no interviews scheduled till today.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Why is there zero movement on coaches since Monday. Has vrabel already zeroed in on coaches. Where are the Rooney rule candidates / interviews. Or is it because the league has stipulated that pats lie low to give everyone equal opportunity. Makes zero sense that there are no interviews scheduled till today.

I'm sure there have been phone calls and conversations for weeks leading up to Vrabel's hiring and since then.

 

[Love The Drake]

Can we take the fact Mcdaniels has had no interviews for OCs that he is going to slide into the Patriots!

 

[WhatJustHappened]

thank you for telling us how YOU feel about Josh. Now let's ask what Tom Brady thinks and compare

Do I care?
No

 

[PatsFan2]

Why do you call him jabbar?

Star Wars

 

[PatsFan2]

Can we take the fact Mcdaniels has had no interviews for OCs that he is going to slide into the Patriots!

Link please...

 

[pazrul72]

C'mon Ken, I usually agree with you, but you are wrong here. Earhardt-Perkins isn't just terminology, it is a offensive philosophy. It has morphed over the years and decades, but it isn't that it just a terminology thing. Every system has it's own different elements that are specific to that system. Blocking schemes where sometimes you want small quicker linemen (EP) and others you want big maulers. Some systems rely on fast receivers who main job is to get open down the field. Other systems rely on quick receivers who need to get open quickly, but aren't fast down the field. Some systems rely gamesmanship of reading the defense before the play and making play adjustments after the huddle and before the snap. Others have receivers having a set assignment and the QB only having one or two reads.

Whether or not you think McDaniels' system is outdated for today's NFL, you cannot just retrofit it to be like the Shanahan or McVay offense. You can take some elements, but you cannot become it. The philosophies are way too different.

Disagree with this entirely. What you are talking about is type of offense not the system. Yes there are generalities like WCO usually wants to stretch the defense horizontally with quick fast hitting routes and you want to go on 10 play drives more then the vertical feast or famine air coryell but the plays are the same in any system. If you want you can be a power I run the ball feast on playaction team that requires large powerful lineman in a WCO. Or you have the kind of team that uses alot of movement and throws the ball 60 times so smaller more athletic lineman are used. Thats on the OC and how he wants to attack based on the team he has. Earlier i said look at 2007, 2012, and 2018 patriots. All EP with Josh McDaniels yet all EXTREMELY different offemses. Ken is entirely correct that all the system is, is a language on how those plays get communicated and how much is put on the players versus the coaches.

 

[Love The Drake]

Link please...

Link that he has no interviews?

 

[dliverey44]

I can't emphasize this point enough. The so-called EP 'system" as it stands today has little to do with a scheme or offensive philosophy. What it is essentially at this point is a LANGUAGE, or communications system, just think back to those 20-year golden era when EP was the the language spoken in Foxboro. Think about the myriads of styles and different points of emphasis we've seen across those years. People forget that we were among the first teams in the league to go with 3 wide outs as a feature formation. one of the first to make 2 TE's an emphasis in a passing offense.

I know that Shanahan and McVay schemes have been all the rage this recently, but there are no schemes, formations, motions or routes that you see in those offenses, that you cannot be copied with the EP language and semantics.

I stress this only because THIS is the basis of the language that Maye has learned, and it would be a step back to make him learn a new one

To add an example to your well stated post, Hoss Y Juke is ran in almost every offense in the NFL and a lot of college programs. They may vary by coaching points and formations but the bones of that call are every where. The plays are called something else to fit into the language of the WCO, Air Raid, and Run and Shoot.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Why do you call him jabbar?

Only in Mass would someone add a "r" to Jabba

he is fat shaming him! call the PC police!

 

[PatsFan2]

Only in Mass would someone add a "r" to Jabba

he is fat shaming him! call the PC police!

 

[dliverey44]

The main thing with the EP offense is that the WRs have to learn every WR position because they are not given the exact route in the playcall. So if the playcall is hoss/dagger (just an example, I know its not the actual playcall) Booty will have to know both sides from the X, Y and Z because of the differing formations. He will also have to know all the coaching points and landmarks, if the DB has inside leverage do this and if outside do this.

I like the EP terminology it will allow the QB break huddle faster and have more time to get the pre snap look. If the QB does not like the called concept on one side, then he can audible one side to something that he thinks will beat the defense on that side. We saw TFB do that a lot. Back to the WRs, if an audible is called and route combo is changed then that WR will need to know what to do even if they don't play that spot much.

The WCO and Coryell basically give the routes in the playcall, that is part of the reason it has so much verbiage.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I don’t get why anyone would be considering mckown. What’s your reasoning?
I want them to hire McDaniel

I don’t want another year of a rookie OC that has never called plays
QB coach yes since he coached Maye before
OC. No thanks

 

[Ring 6]

Star Wars

It’s not Jabbar it’s Jabba

 

[dliverey44]

This is a Jabbar

 

[Callmecrazy]

I hope Vrabel gets someone like Charlie Weis Jr. for OC. He has a very good resume and obvious ties back to the Pats
Charlie Weis Jr. - Football Coach - Ole Miss Athletics - Hotty Toddy

 

[dliverey44]

This is the guy I want just cuz of the name

Jason Vrable