Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[mike_usagisan]

I think Krafty will keep him on, and tell him some things need to change.

I suspect Mayo’s already reached the point in his head coaching career where he’s telling ownership that the blame is with the other coaches.

 

[sportnik]

"Historically," is an interesting way to describe a single season. That's what I mean by spoiled and impatient.

OK Smart Ass. Tell me one thing Mayo does well.

He can’t coach the O. He’s supposedly a Defense coach and somehow his defense gets worse every week, to the point where the offense is outperforming the D. His in game management is horrendous & he costs his team points every week. He’s so over his head, he can’t even figure out which way the wind is blowing & take the wind in overtime (something every JV coach in New England could figure out). His team is undisciplined. He can’t communicate with the media. He apparently doesn’t communicate with his own coaches. His own players are quiting on him.

Objectively, can you point to one thing Mayo has done well? How about one thing he can do at a league average level? He isn’t just incompetent as a head coach, he is incompetent at every single aspect of being a head coach. It’s beyond comprehension that the Krafts put him in this position. The only plausible reason that the Krafts could see him fail at every aspect of the job and want to bring him back for another year, is that RKK must be losing his facilities & suffering from dementia.

Can you identify a single NFL coach who has done a worse job, in the history of the league? At least Rich Kotite could come up with a half decent defense gameplan. So could Rod Rust. Mayo couldn’t develop an effective gameplan if his life depended on it.

Calling Mayo historically bad is not hyperbole. It’s a statement of fact.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I think Krafty will keep him on, and tell him some things need to change.

I hate to say it because Mayo is in a rudderless submarine
With Kraft. Pride and Money will rule

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Who gets the shorter leash, a HC or a QB? Mac Jones got three years and then he was shipped out. Does Mayo get three years?

You would think after the failed Mac experiment we would not keep repeating the same mistake? Do you you think the Mac example should keep being repeated?

 

[captain stone]

I think there is something to the Vrabel rumors, even though reporters are just connecting dots.

...Kraft's last hires were people he knew well.

I doubt at this point he turns the team over to a stranger to the organization.

Then he should turn over Football Ops to one or More of Pioli, Dimitroff, Robinson etc and let THEM hire the next HC... After Bob first tells the children upstairs to Get the **** Out on Black Monday.

 

[captain stone]

Not only are these mother****ers incompetent, but now they are actively engaging in attempts to cause physical damage to the franchise.

They've gone beyond being clowns; they've now become Terrorists.

Ownership MUST put a stop to this ****ing MADNESS.

 

[Love The Drake]

Black Monday will be more popular than Black Friday for Patriots fans

 

[tuckeverlasting]

I can’t wait till Mayo walks back our #1 pick…

ouch...not funny

 

[Schmo]

OK Smart Ass. Tell me one thing Mayo does well.

He can’t coach the O. He’s supposedly a Defense coach and somehow his defense gets worse every week, to the point where the offense is outperforming the D. His in game management is horrendous & he costs his team points every week. He’s so over his head, he can’t even figure out which way the wind is blowing & take the wind in overtime (something every JV coach in New England could figure out). His team is undisciplined. He can’t communicate with the media. He apparently doesn’t communicate with his own coaches. His own players are quiting on him.

Objectively, can you point to one thing Mayo has done well? How about one thing he can do at a league average level? He isn’t just incompetent as a head coach, he is incompetent at every single aspect of being a head coach. It’s beyond comprehension that the Krafts put him in this position. The only plausible reason that the Krafts could see him fail at every aspect of the job and want to bring him back for another year, is that RKK must be losing his facilities & suffering from dementia.

Can you identify a single NFL coach who has done a worse job, in the history of the league? At least Rich Kotite could come up with a half decent defense gameplan. So could Rod Rust. Mayo couldn’t develop an effective gameplan if his life depended on it.

Calling Mayo historically bad is not hyperbole. It’s a statement of fact.

Didn't mean to get you so worked up. You ok?

I was just showing the irony of fans wanting him gone possibly resulting in a win and a lower draft pick, which fans will hate him for as well.

Good rant BTW.

 

[Grogan1980]

Interesting take:

 

[festy1986]

Interesting take:

Kraft is still grifting off Brady's back. I can't cosign the ownership part.

The rest is true though.

 

[mike_usagisan]

You would think after the failed Mac experiment we would not keep repeating the same mistake? Do you you think the Mac example should keep being repeated?

No, I think Mayo is obviously a mess and coaches getting yanked after one year is becoming more normal. But it's interesting that judging a QB and judging a HC used to both be about 3 years.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Mayo returning in 2025 would be the biggest upset in Pats history since SB42.

 

[n1997y]

Disagree. People should never settle for mediocrity. That's what simps & losers do.

The franchise just lucked into the best QB prospect to hit the league in years. It would take complete negligence & stupidity to mess this up. And keeping an unqualified coach that has shown absolutely no ability to do the job for another season is exactly that.

Rather than accept mediocrity brought upon by the lazy and half ass approach the Krafts have taken to this team, the fans can choose to rise up, boycott Gillette & force the Krafts to do better by the franchise.

Jayden Daniels says otherwise. Legit Pro Bowl and Rookie of the Year contender. He’s also the real deal, and lucky enough to have a playoff caliber team around him.

Meanwhile Maye still dependably throws a bonehead INT every game, fumbles too much, and gets his head kicked in regularly by not sliding when he runs. He may not be in the league long enough to go from prospect to player if he keeps all that up. I love him, but he needs to clean up a lot of his game, and he’s going to have to do it without good coaching, or a good team around him.

 

[n1997y]

I just don't think it's jumping through hoops. Mayo had the tough job of hiring an OC/offensive staff that could do a good job of identifying and developing a young QB to a team that candidates were avoiding like the plague. He made what appears to be a good hire considering the tough circumstances. That's a good job. It doesn't absolve him from all the criticisms, but you gotta be willing to give credit for the good if you want your analysis to be worth anything. Otherwise, it's just whining.

AVP may have been a good hire as QB coach, but he’s been a disastrous hire as OC.

He can’t call plays, can’t get on the same page as the HC about who is starting at RB, and has given us an OL that can’t block, can’t time the snap, and can’t even line up right. His WRs consistently sit down short of the line to gain on third downs, errorvrepeaters are rewarded with more playing time instead of being benched, and fumbles earn a stern look as corrective action. Calling his offense a hot mess is much too complimentary.

 

[n1997y]

if he beats the bills this week he should be immediately fired before he leaves the field.

True.

And if he doesn’t beat the Bills this week he should be immediately fired before he leaves the field.

 

[n1997y]

Wanting someone who is historically incompetent removed from a position is being honest and fair and demanding justice. There is nothing spoiled or impatient about it.

"Historically," is an interesting way to describe a single season. That's what I mean by spoiled and impatient.

“Historically” describes the magnitude of a deviation from the norm and how infrequently it will occur. It has nothing to do with duration or measurement of an interval, like a season. So it’s perfectly appropriate as description of a single season. It’s saying Mayo’s coaching performance this season was so bad that a comparably bad performance will be so infrequent over the history of the NFL that it would be noteworthy. And it’s not spoiled and impatient to not want a second year of being that bad.

Maybe this will help:
The butt fumble was historically bad even though it was only play.
Jets fans are neither spoiled nor impatient for not wanting to endure more plays like that.
But they’re Jets fans so they’re doomed to that fate.
And Patriots fans are neither spoiled nor impatient for not wanting to become like Jets fans.

 

[PScottman]

How much did he benefit from having Judon here last year?

He was a rookie and showed some rookie flashes, but his technique and savvy were obviously raw. That said, he was enough of a disruptor (as was Barmore) that it helped mask Judon's decline. (last year's DL still was susceptible/exploitable to the run, they were just a better pass rushing unit as a whole)

As I've said elsewhere, I dont think he's an all-pro, but he's shown all the tools to be a solid contributor (and maybe more). He still is slower to recognize misdirection plays (all the rage these days) which is why he's often a step late and gets those damned horse collar tackle penalties.

That's mental/teachable, but the unknown is whether or not he can make the adjustment solely, he's not being taught/reinforced effectively, or he is one of those guys that's always going to need a star beside him to take the pressure off to allow him to maximize his skills.

I am definitely not in the "he sucks and needs to be purged" camp like some here. I remain optimistic he is another piece that doesn't need an upgrade position wise like so many OTHER parts of this Patriots team and those dollars and draft picks can be used elsewhere.

 

[n1997y]

He was a rookie and showed some rookie flashes, but his technique and savvy were obviously raw. That said, he was enough of a disruptor (as was Barmore) that it helped mask Judon's decline. (last year's DL still was susceptible/exploitable to the run, they were just a better pass rushing unit as a whole)

As I've said elsewhere, I dont think he's an all-pro, but he's shown all the tools to be a solid contributor (and maybe more). He still is slower to recognize misdirection plays (all the rage these days) which is why he's often a step late and gets those damned horse collar tackle penalties.

That's mental/teachable, but the unknown is whether or not he can make the adjustment solely, he's not being taught/reinforced effectively, or he is one of those guys that's always going to need a star beside him to take the pressure off to allow him to maximize his skills.

I am definitely not in the "he sucks and needs to be purged" camp like some here. I remain optimistic he is another piece that doesn't need an upgrade position wise like so many OTHER parts of this Patriots team and those dollars and draft picks can be used elsewhere.

Great response, thanks for the thoughtful comments.

Unfortunately the "he sucks and needs to be purged" camp is too common here these days. It seems there are many who have no patience for rookie learning curves and players whose floor isn’t at least All Pro level play from the day they get here.

It’s a safe bet that he's not being taught/reinforced effectively, given the performance of the coaching staff. I agree with your optimism that he is another piece that doesn't need an upgrade position wise, but my concern is that with the current coaching staff he won’t be used effectively and it will look like he needs to be replaced/upgraded. I’m also concerned he’ll be looked to for things outside his skill set and comfort zone and will become even more displeased with his role. QBs are not the only rookies who can be ruined by poor coaching.

 

[Family]

No, I think Mayo is obviously a mess and coaches getting yanked after one year is becoming more normal. But it's interesting that judging a QB and judging a HC used to both be about 3 years.

These "rules" began before free agency.

A new head coach/QB would be facing teams that were together multiple years. It was more difficult for a coach or QB to exploit other team's weaknesses.

Being a rookie meant not only gaining experience in the pro game, but also gaining experience against veteran players who knew what each other was going to do for over multiple seasons. A much larger hurdle.

Now every team has some weakness, and 40% of the roster is new from a year ago.

In a sense an average of 40% of the NFL are rookies of their new team.