Is Mayo the Right Guy to be leading this team?

[Tunescribe]

Wait, mayo has no defined role? How can that be? You as a hc say “this is my job I’m doing it…then delegate”. Simple management concepts 101. This could be where his years at whatever co he worked at before should have taught him. Unless bk did the hire for “diversity “ ie optics.

A head coach usually is deeply involved in nuts-and-bolts game planning, at least on one side of the ball. Then he reviews/signs off on game plans for all three phases. Mayo reportedly -- according to Bedard's sources -- isn't doing any of that. Apparently, he's just drifting about the facility poking his head in various meetings and not establishing structure/direction on a daily basis. The same observation was made during training camp, that he was more or less just wandering around observing.

One gets the sense from reports like this that Mayo is in way over his head and doesn't know what to do.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

A head coach usually is deeply involved in nuts-and-bolts game planning, at least on one side of the ball. Then he reviews/signs off on game plans for all three phases. Mayo reportedly -- according to Bedard's sources -- isn't doing any of that. Apparently, he's just drifting about the facility poking his head in various meetings and not at least philosophically establishing structure/direction on a daily basis. The same observation was made during training camp, that he was more or less just wandering around observing.

One gets the sense from reports like this that Mayo is in way over his head and doesn't know what to do.

Uh if this is fckn true…he’s not a hc. He’s a hc in training…optics/diversity/suckup hire…if this was the “plan” for the first year, I can maybe understand. If next year it’s the same? He’s got to go.

 

[Wax Frog]

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[Tunescribe]

@Pape @Steve102

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

No

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The New England Packers?

 

[sb1]

Can MIIVIIIG play LT?

 

[sb1]

Uh if this is fckn true…he’s not a hc. He’s a hc in training…optics/diversity/suckup hire…if this was the “plan” for the first year, I can maybe understand. If next year it’s the same? He’s got to go.

Rookie head coach gonna rookie head coach. I agree it's a problem if he still looks like a rookie next season.

 

[Tunescribe]

Can MIIVIIIG play LT?

No. Maybe you can tell by the way he's built. He's a special teams only guy.

 

[Wax Frog]

No


The New England Packers?

I can toss together whatever team mash up the situation requires

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Rookie head coach gonna rookie head coach. I agree it's a problem if he still looks like a rookie next season.

I can imagine the ulcer he has. He looks a bit fatter too think. Gona be a Andy Reid/chip kelly/fattmatt type fatass hc in a few years.

 

[everlong]

I don't know if Mayo is the guy or not. I do know teams give up on coaches too quickly. You need to hire a guy with a 5 year plan, make sure it's the right hire and then back that guy through the growing pains. Or you become the NYJ. So I'm team Mayo through at least year 3.

He inherited a team with two dozen major holes, a ton of cap space which wasn't used and an OL which wasn't properly addressed.

 

[Ian]

And there were better offensive players [who didn't want to come here] than the scrap heap guys we signed

I know you don't think this is true, but that's what happens when you have a terrible team, a coach no one knows about, and - at the time - no quarterback, with just a hypothetical "maybe we'll draft Drake Maye, etc." to work off of. It is what it is, and this is what we're in for. It stinks, but hopefully he'll play well enough where it might make this next FA class feel better about taking a chance and coming here next March.

 

[Ring 6]

I know you don't think this is true, but that's what happens when you have a terrible team, a coach no one knows about, and - at the time - no quarterback, with just a hypothetical "maybe we'll draft Drake Maye, etc." to work off of. It is what it is, and this is what we're in for. It stinks, but hopefully he'll play well enough where it might make this next FA class feel better about taking a chance and coming here next March.

I don’t. There were many players available. We sign brissett, chunks, Gibson, Osborne, leverett, hooper. They wanted to come here. Ridley didn’t.
Who else did we pursue? I don’t know of anyone.
How can we say players won’t come here, when almost every one we pursued did?

 

[archstanton543]

I don't know if Mayo is the guy or not. I do know teams give up on coaches too quickly. You need to hire a guy with a 5 year plan, make sure it's the right hire and then back that guy through the growing pains. Or you become the NYJ. So I'm team Mayo through at least year 3.

He inherited a team with two dozen major holes, a ton of cap space which wasn't used and an OL which wasn't properly addressed.

You know who else had a 5 year plan? Stalin.

 

[Ian]

I don’t. There were many players available. We sign brissett, chunks, Gibson, Osborne, leverett, hooper. They wanted to come here. Ridley didn’t.
Who else did we pursue? I don’t know of anyone.
How can we say players won’t come here, when almost every one we pursued did?

Probably because New England showed interest and there wasn't a lot of others doing the same.

Do you honestly think Wolf just sat there and went, "Yeah, these are the only six guys we need. We're good." ? I doubt that's the case and I would have to believe they inquired about a lot of guys and probably made some preliminary offers. Not every FA pursuit gets reported.

It is what it is. And it's going to be that way until they show enough promise for players to pick up their families and want to come here.

 

[Ring 6]

Probably because New England showed interest and there wasn't a lot of others doing the same.

Do you honestly think Wolf just sat there and went, "Yeah, these are the only six guys we need. We're good." ? I doubt that's the case and I would have to believe they inquired about a lot of guys and probably made some preliminary offers. Not every FA pursuit gets reported.

It is what it is. And it's going to be that way until they show enough promise for players to pick up their families and want to come here.

Are you really asking me if I think what he did was what he wanted to do?

Personally believe he was given a cash budget. But we don’t know that.

I’m just really curious why it’s so important to people to make an excuse for what they did. Not improving roster angers me as a fan, I see it as a lack of effort to put a product on the field. I can’t imagine searching for an excuse to defend that.

So no one wanted to come here except the ones who did. So that means the ones who did were the exception and no one ELSE wanted to come here. We can’t find any evidence of them pursing other players (except one) but that must mean they “made inquiries” that we just don’t know about. Other teams that are just as bad sign many free agents, but they are apparently immune to the players won’t go to bad teams rule.

You have excuses covered by more excuses.

Take a step back and review the premise that you build your entire position off of, and it doesn’t seem to hold up to scrutiny.

 

[doesntmatter1]

It is too soon to say that he is in over his head. But the horrible offense is the reason why there was a job opening in the first place and it looked like it wasn't addressed. I do see improvements but they are happening far too slowly. I question if the oline had even practiced during the summer. I have to believe there are linemen on the other 31 practice squads that we could have raided to have better than what we have shown.

 

[Ian]

Are you really asking me if I think what he did was what he wanted to do?

Personally believe he was given a cash budget. But we don’t know that.

I’m just really curious why it’s so important to people to make an excuse for what they did. Not improving roster angers me as a fan, I see it as a lack of effort to put a product on the field. I can’t imagine searching for an excuse to defend that.

So no one wanted to come here except the ones who did. So that means the ones who did were the exception and no one ELSE wanted to come here. We can’t find any evidence of them pursing other players (except one) but that must mean they “made inquiries” that we just don’t know about. Other teams that are just as bad sign many free agents, but they are apparently immune to the players won’t go to bad teams rule.

You have excuses covered by more excuses.

Take a step back and review the premise that you build your entire position off of, and it doesn’t seem to hold up to scrutiny.

I'm just trying to be reasonable. You're essentially saying he ignored the entire free agent class, save for who they signed. I don't think that's the case. I don't think there was a lack of effort to field a better team. I think there - unfortunately - was a lack of interest in what talent was available, and they were spurned of whatever upper echelon guys they pursued, which - again - not all of that is reported.

If Wolf sat around all March and went, "Yeah, we're good" and only went after those six, then he should be fired. However, I would bet the farm on that not being the case. They've been in on a lot of guys and have been shot down, and we've heard multiple times they were the highest bidders from people outside of the local media.

I get you're upset. But saying he sat on his hands for March and April and only targeted six guys out of everyone available is a far more unreasonable premise than what you're saying "my position" is.

They stunk last year and at the start of free agency were coming off of firing Belichick and hiring a nobody to replace him, with no quarterback with everything else up in the air. It's not an excuse, it's just the facts.

We're just used to 20+ years of guys wanting to play here when Bill and Tom were here. At that time back in March, that became no longer the case. They had nothing to offer other than money, and as we found out, it's not always enough. We simply learned how the other half lived this offseason. Let's hope Maye plays well so it's not the case again next March.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm just trying to be reasonable. You're essentially saying he ignored the entire free agent class, save for who they signed. I don't think that's the case. I don't think there was a lack of effort to field a better team. I think there - unfortunately - was a lack of interest in what talent was available, and they were spurned of whatever upper echelon guys they pursued, which - again - not all of that is reported.

If Wolf sat around all March and went, "Yeah, we're good" and only went after those six, then he should be fired. However, I would bet the farm on that not being the case. They've been in on a lot of guys and have been shot down, and we've heard multiple times they were the highest bidders from people outside of the local media.

I get you're upset. But saying he sat on his hands for March and April and only targeted six guys out of everyone available is a far more unreasonable premise than what you're saying "my position" is.

They stunk last year and at the start of free agency were coming off of firing Belichick and hiring a nobody to replace him, with no quarterback with everything else up in the air. It's not an excuse, it's just the facts.

We're just used to 20+ years of guys wanting to play here when Bill and Tom were here. At that time back in March, that became no longer the case. They had nothing to offer other than money, and as we found out, it's not always enough. We simply learned how the other half lived this offseason. Let's hope Maye plays well so it's not the case again next March.

How is it unreasonable to assume the only players he was reported to target are the players he targeted?

He told us the OL was fine and very talented.
He chose his RB, QB,WR,TE pretty early in if I remember correctly.
I can’t tell you if he thought that was good enough, if he was under a budget constraint, or what, but I can’t conclude that since he signed players at the positions in question, I cant conclude he tried to get a bunch of other guys and we never heard about it. How is it unreasonable to say he signed guys he thought would be good and he filled the roster?

But we can agree he totally ignored the defense right? Do defensive players not want to be part of this team either?

Tennessee and Washington stunk last year and had no qb but players went there. Why are we the only team, ever, that free agents wholly shun?

I’m basing nothing on 20 past years. I am looking at this year, and comparing what we did to other bad teams.

Who are all of these players that we pursued who wouldn’t come here? We missed out on 1, which is not a judgment in anything because many teams lose out on some players they pursue.


It just seems like this woe is me New England mentality decided we weren’t going to be able to sign free agents, and despite there not really being anything to back it up, we run with that and give the front office a free pass.

 

[Ian]

How is it unreasonable to assume the only players he was reported to target are the players he targeted?

So he targeted just six players and sat on his hands for two months? Unfortunately, we'll have to agree to disagree.