Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[One-If-By-Sea]

Tyrone is old. Probably won’t make it through the season. Thought Chuks was a solid move but unfortunately that went about as bad as it possibly could have. Bill ****ed up drafting guards year after year when we needed tackles.

What made you think Chuks was a solid move? His low salary because 31 other GMs didn't want him? Getting benched in Pitt? Having a bad attitude on the only team he played for? Playing 30 games over 6 years? Did you like the Riley Reiff signing too,?

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Honestly I think there’s a higher chance of avp being one and done than mayo. Not much of a chance but one none the less. TBH I doubt either are gone after 1. Can’t do much with **** talent.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Can we just sign baktari already? I know he’s shot but it’ll save what few resources we have. Then again mayo and crew could be testing what little talent we have…. /giggle

 

[jeremy2020]

No, Kraft loves him.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Sorry, don't have the time to be fact checking all your posts for lies, so no use responding, Also, being 100% wrong on every post you make is a pretty high % and will assume applies here as well.

Weak. I smiled when I realized a whole cluster of posters I dislike stood behind this post. Birds of feather!

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

No, Kraft loves him.

That won’t last if this continues. Kraft wants to be the toast of the NFL again before he dies. This season will make last year look like a decent showing in comparison. No, I suspect Kraft already regrets Mayo. He fully expected this year to be an improvement on last year, and now the rebuild timeline stretches out further. If he’s not convinced Mayo is the guy by season’s end, he is gone.

 

[KCSVEN]

Weak. I smiled when I realized a whole cluster of posters I dislike stood behind this post. Birds of feather!

Interesting how the very next post from the poster was a complete fabrication, a repeated lie that had already been proven wrong.
Just proved the post was 100% accurate and the opposite of weak.
I don't have time to live in a random posters delusional world, a completely closed-minded individual is a waste of energy.
Many, many people make up their mind about something and then refuse to ever admit they are wrong, nothing personal about those people but I've learned you can't argue with them, if they believe falsehoods, and they are proven wrong, they defend their falsehood. You'll never have a discussion based on real analysis backed up by facts, so what is the point?

Maybe you missed the whole previous back and forth that led up that post. Or maybe you are just birds of a feather?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Franchises that treat coaching hires like temps are the worst franchises in sports.

 

[Toofy]

Mayo needs to have a dan Campbell like revival and for that he needs talent or he needs phenomenal coaching and play designs . Both are missing for now.

What mayo needs to achieve this season to not be in hot seat outside of Maye not flaming out is the following

1. uncover 3 additional starters on offensive line ( center and right/ left tackle and 1 swing tackle/ guard)

2. Polk and douglas becoming reliable wr 2/3

3. Keoin white able to contain edge while also rushing

4. Decent backup DT for run defense

5. Decent backup CB3 to replace Jonathan Jones.


This way our needs in decreasing order of priority in draft are free agency are

1. OT
2. CB2 outside gonzo
3. WR1
4. Backup edge rusher
5. DT depth
6. LINEBACKER DEPTH

IF Baker also develops that's a home run .

So there are so many holes in roster and required possibilities, not sure how mayo can overcome these.

It requires supreme focus and ability to not lose locker room. Mayo seems to be unraveling last few weeks.

 

[archstanton543]

It requires supreme focus and ability to not lose locker room. Mayo seems to be unraveling last few weeks.

I don't agree with that. All you have is snippets from reports who are giving their opinion of the mood in the locker room after a loss. They're trying to generate clicks during the time where the popularity of the team is at a low point and the product on the field is hard to watch week in and week out.

 

[Toofy]

I don't agree with that. All you have is snippets from reports who are giving their opinion of the mood in the locker room after a loss. They're trying to generate clicks during the time where the popularity of the team is at a low point and the product on the field is hard to watch week in and week out.

Look at what godchaux stated and see how Douglas and Polk have reacted on field. Rham increasing fumbles.

On top of it , tyquan Thornton trade rumors which state the possibility that Thornton could have requested a release.

Joining the dots it does seem probable and Lazar locker room comment was suddenly removed and even in the video I believe they just removed or watered down that comment through some edits . And Lazar works for patriots.com

So no smoke without fire.

And if mayo keeps trotting that Jacoby gives best chance to win, then either he is lying or maye is severely underdeveloped which makes his seat all the more hotter.

They don't need to win, but they need to show progress and sadly that's not happening. Preseason is over and mayo needs to pull his socks and demand better accountability from players and his coaches. If he cannot, he looks like the worst coach in NFL right now.

 

[Huckleberry1]

There seems to be an unhealthy dynamic between Mayo, Wolf and AVP where the OC/QB coach takes orders from the GM on developing Maye and the HC who has minimal influence on the offense. At a minimum we fans do not have one throat to choke when it comes to who is responsible for football decisions which leaves us with holding RKK accountable for his meddling at the end of BB's tenure and not putting the right leadership in place to get the team back on track.

I didn’t like the comment from Mayo that Van Pelt is the HC of the offense either, he’s the head coach and needs to be clear that he’s in charge.

On Wolf I’m going to be disagreeing with many here for a long time to come, I think Wolf was the best choice for GM, and I think he’s going to turn them back into contenders if he is given the chance. The idea that you can turn a terrible team around in one offseason is as ridiculous as it gets. Seems like many here forget that Belichick went 5-11 his first season. Or at least they forget that they were probably calling for his head in 2000 as well, but that was only because he was duplicitous pond scum. And Belichick went 5-11 with Bledsoe at QB, not Jacoby Brissett.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't agree with that. All you have is snippets from reports who are giving their opinion of the mood in the locker room after a loss. They're trying to generate clicks during the time where the popularity of the team is at a low point and the product on the field is hard to watch week in and week out.

Agree completely. And Lazar’s report was that the “ offense was going after the offense, and the defense was going after the defense,” which sounds more like the units calling for accountability than it would if the defense was going after the offense for hanging them out to dry. I don’t know about anyone else but the great Patriot teams had leaders who vocally called out players who weren’t taking it seriously enough, and screwing around, or weren’t “ doing their job.” McGinest did this regularly.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I didn’t like the comment from Mayo that Van Pelt is the HC of the offense either, he’s the head coach and needs to be clear that he’s in charge.

On Wolf I’m going to be disagreeing with many here for a long time to come, I think Wolf was the best choice for GM, and I think he’s going to turn them back into contenders if he is given the chance. The idea that you can turn a terrible team around in one offseason is as ridiculous as it gets. Seems like many here forget that Belichick went 5-11 his first season. Or at least they forget that they were probably calling for his head in 2000 as well, but that was only because he was duplicitous pond scum. And Belichick went 5-11 with Bledsoe at QB, not Jacoby Brissett.

Wolf reminds me of Chaim Bloom from the Red Sox in that he seems very formulaic in his approach. Like Bloom he doesn't invest in anything to help the here and now, everything is for the future. That may be ok in baseball where every position can develop independently where player development in football is intertwined with the other players on the team. To me spending a little too much on a couple of veterans would have been an investment in setting the culture and creating the opportunity for the young players to develop. I hope that you are right about Wolf and his ability to pick the right players. It would be a huge loss to start again next year.

As you say, it took a while for BB to turn things around. That said his rough start had nothing to do with him being called pond scum. Borges let fly when he was hired, before the first game was played. The thing that I remember about that season was that the team seemed to be less sloppy than the previous year, even though the results were not there. Hopefully Wolf is learning and makes similar adjustments for next year and gets rid of the players with the wrong attitudes and replaces them with some transitional veterans while the top of the roster talent develops.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Wolf reminds me of Chaim Bloom from the Red Sox in that he seems very formulaic in his approach. Like Bloom he doesn't invest in anything to help the here and now, everything is for the future. That may be ok in baseball where every position can develop independently where player development in football is intertwined with the other players on the team. To me spending a little too much on a couple of veterans would have been an investment in setting the culture and creating the opportunity for the young players to develop. I hope that you are right about Wolf and his ability to pick the right players. It would be a huge loss to start again next year.

As you say, it took a while for BB to turn things around. That said his rough start had nothing to do with him being called pond scum. Borges let fly when he was hired, before the first game was played. The thing that I remember about that season was that the team seemed to be less sloppy than the previous year, even though the results were not there. Hopefully Wolf is learning and makes similar adjustments for next year and gets rid of the players with the wrong attitudes and replaces them with some transitional veterans while the top of the roster talent develops.

One of the big reasons I believe in Wolf is the years he spent at his father’s side in the Green Bay organization. He was putting scouting reports together when he was 14 years old, and he has years of experience despite being a relatively young GM. This reminds me of Belichick’s background, and my hope is that he ends up having a similar career. Is that a guarantee of success? Obviously not, but it does give a ton of information on how to be a successful GM, which is really hard to find in the NFL. I also like the fact that he’s a younger GM, as the Patriots needed to bring in young minds to replace Belichick. I didn’t want them rehashing the old GM’s and coaches who are always in circulation. Overall I have far more confidence that Wolf was the right choice at GM than I do Mayo as head coach. And while Mayo was hired by Kraft I think Wolf will get to choose his own guy if Mayo is fired.

 

[Wozzy]

It’s too early to be talking about mutiny or firing… these billionaire types have egos. Admitting they were wrong takes time.

We had to watch Mac Jones melt down and get benched 4 times last season just because he was the owner’s pick and snuck up the backstairs to complain about the old coach.

The dysfunction will have to be overwhelming for a firing, it could take years.

 

[Real fan 02]

I truly doubt it. I think Kraft will be patient until he can't be patient anymore. So much needs to happen before they could make a decision on Mayo, AVP or any of the others.

First off, we need to see Maye. If he struggles as badly as Brissett, there's a good chance AVP is gone. If they decide the oline was always going to sink this year, but Maye shows enough, they probably all get another year and Wolf gets orders to prioritize the line in the offseason. If Maye comes in and struggles and the defense gets worse with leaders openly questioning coaching, it's entirely possible Mayo goes.

I keep looking at the Texans and how they turned things around. They went through two head coaches that got a year each. If Wolf starts badmouthing Mayo or Mayo starts badmouthing Wolf, we could definitely see that happen here.

Here's the hierarchy with the roster management.

Like to know your thoughts?

 

[Real fan 02]

Here's the hierarchy with the roster management.

Like to know your thoughts?

@archstanton543

That is what the team has listed as who controls the roster. People can decipher that however they choose. To me is says wolf has control of the roster and that is directly correlation to Drake.

 

[archstanton543]

@archstanton543

That is what the team has listed as who controls the roster. People can decipher that however they choose. To me is says wolf has control of the roster and that is directly correlation to Drake.

It's like anything else. At work you have a boss and he or she has a boss. His or her boss has control over you. Makes sense to me.

At least people aren't saying that lawyer who handles contracts and whatnot has control over the roster like they were doing in the off season.

 

[sb1]

just because he was the owner’s pick

Keep fighting the good fight