Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[Force Zero Boomer]

Maybe you missed the whole previous back and forth that led up that post. Or maybe you are just birds of a feather?

There's only ~ 3 guys here who seem to agree with me on most things. My flock is small. Everyone else is somewhere in between: I argue, I agree, and sometimes someone changes my mind. A few that argue in bad faith (strawmen arguments really make me mad) or just insult (which I do my best to avoid, but I'm not perfect) I block. Still, from the fracas here we do seem to uncover things, figure stuff out, instruct one another, and so on, to the point where I think writers are mining this board for content. So, it's all good.

 

[1960Pats]

I've been clear since his being made HC that I thought it was a bad decision. Nothing has made me think otherwise.

I've been clear since his being made HC that I thought it was a great decision. Nothing has made me think otherwise.

 

[1960Pats]

If Bill was a HC and had a successful season while Mayo wins 3-4 to games with players mouthing off like they are, then I'd say it would've been more likely. Bob doesn't like looking bad.

This was what Bob wanted. He didn't want to let a 6 time SB winning HC try and rebuild again, but wants to take a risk with an inexperienced coach who isn't known for anything? Okay. Solid plan.

Here we are 4 weeks into the season and the question is already being asked of whether he should stay as the HC. I'm not surprised.

Mayo was left in a deep hole by BB and it's going to take time to climb out.

Mayo isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[lancerman]

It’s too early to be talking about mutiny or firing… these billionaire types have egos. Admitting they were wrong takes time.

We had to watch Mac Jones melt down and get benched 4 times last season just because he was the owner’s pick and snuck up the backstairs to complain about the old coach.

The dysfunction will have to be overwhelming for a firing, it could take years.

There's no evidence Mac was a Kraft decision.

I could maybe buy the idea that drafting a QB in that draft was an owner mandate.

But we literally waited until the last QB that was first round worthy was left to draft him. We could have traded up. We let the Bears jump us having no idea who they would get. The Panthers and Broncos were also very strong possibilities to pick a QB.

Imo, it was a classic "Bill waited to see what fell to him without expending resources" it happened to Mac. And then he enjoyed the benefit to everyone stroking him for having his guy fall to him.

If anything happened, Kraft was probably over where Bill took the team and most likely decided that this was the QB Bill picked and the roster he wanted to build, he's not getting a freebie by trading him away so he can start over. Bill was either going to figure out 2023 with the guys he decided on or he was going to prove he didn't deserve team building control and be let go. They weren't going to let him trade Mac after he declined under Patricia's offense and have a mulligan to say "okay we messed up QB, let me go find the next one". And I think part of that was because Bill was the biggest reason Brady wasn't on the team and Kraft had to watch him go win a Super Bowl somewhere else. They felt like Bill ended the last QB run on his terms, it didn't work, and he picked the next guy, if it ended badly, that was his last chance.

 

[lancerman]

Mayo was left in a deep hole by BB and it's going to take time to climb out.

Mayo isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

This. Fans get hyperbolic. But the vast majority of executives, NFL Media, fans of other teams, etc are all going to look at it as "Bill had a 4 win team that was hot garbage and Mayo inherited a completely mess to clean up".

Mayo MIGHT get fired if they don't win a single game the rest of the year. But even 2 or 3 wins is enough to say he got saddled with a **** situation. Frankly, what we are seeing this year isn't surprising.

 

[vicspats]

No chance. 3 years of misery coming

 

[1960Pats]

It really all comes down to the QB. Shanahan in SF was struggling badly with Hoyer at QB. I watched every game he started (and lost) and it was a worse **** show then what we are seeing in NE. Hoyer was doing sign language/looking like a pantomime at the line of scrimmage trying to act like Brady/Manning running the clock down only to throw it at the feet of a WR. It was among the worst QB play I've ever seen. Then when the 49ers pulled off the Jimmy G trade, you saw things immediately turn around and the potential of the team.

By mid season, Mayo needs to seriously consider putting Maye out their and getting reps to show them whether he has the potential or not. If Maye is incapable, Mayo won't last past year 2. Year 3 max.

That SF example happens all the time and shows my point about coaching. Shanahan and his system were still there but the difference was a new player or players.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Mayo was left in a deep hole by BB and it's going to take time to climb out.

Mayo isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

And yet he re-signed Bill’s players to big deals.

Bob will know quickly if he is Jim Tomsula, Chip Kelly, Urban Meyer and Nathaniel Hackett like disasters and cans his ass after this season.

 

[1960Pats]

This. Fans get hyperbolic. But the vast majority of executives, NFL Media, fans of other teams, etc are all going to look at it as "Bill had a 4 win team that was hot garbage and Mayo inherited a completely mess to clean up".

Mayo MIGHT get fired if they don't win a single game the rest of the year. But even 2 or 3 wins is enough to say he got saddled with a **** situation. Frankly, what we are seeing this year isn't surprising.

I think the O/U for wins was 4.5. What I under estimated when I took the over is just how poor the offense had become under Bill. It's been historically bad for a while now and couldn't be fixed in just one draft.

I've seen fans call this year's defense "Bill's defense" when it performed well. If you believe that then you have to concede that it's "Bill's offense" too, and that's about as bad as it gets.

 

[1960Pats]

And yet he re-signed Bill’s players to big deals.

Bob will know quickly if he is Jim Tomsula, Chip Kelly, Urban Meyer and Nathaniel Hackett like disasters and cans his ass after this season.

What choice did they have? They were forced to take on Bill's blunders or not have enough players to fill a roster. How could a man with all of that time in football be so poor at picking players and coaches? That makes no sense.

 

[1960Pats]

When I present the point that Mayo is not qualified to be an NFL HC, let alone The Patriots HC (especially right after B.B.), no one can seem to give me a good reason.

Mayo has many years in the NYFL as a Pats player and coach under Bill. That's enough for me.

 

[1960Pats]

Pop didn't like his own actions and has already expressed remorse

I admire the kid for admitting he made a mistake.

 

[1960Pats]

No, Kraft loves him.

Mayo's a complete breath of fresh air and I've liked his hiring from the start. Plus, he's a former Pats player and coach. What's not to like?

 

[FCB02062]

No way Krafty Bob ****cans a minority head coach after one year. Mayo could go 0-17 with a -300 point differential and Krafty wouldn't touch him ... At this point Kraft cares more about what the elites and football press think about him ...gotta get that HOF plaque

 

[condon84]

Kraft handpicked Mayo. There is no way he fires him for the team's on field performance in his first year. They could go 1-16 and Mayo will be back for next year.

He will get fired if he bangs one of the VPs wives or he says anything critical of Israel.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I've been clear since his being made HC that I thought it was a great decision. Nothing has made me think otherwise.

Let's see what he can do with a better roster, that'll take some time to build up.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

And yet he re-signed Bill’s players to big deals.

Bob will know quickly if he is Jim Tomsula, Chip Kelly, Urban Meyer and Nathaniel Hackett like disasters and cans his ass after this season.

Bill did have some good players he picked, they resigned those guys, now they need to add to the team in the next couple of years.

 

[Since1960]

RKK - swallow your pride and follow the 5 “B’s” - “Before Bedlam Bring Back Bill”!!

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

What choice did they have? They were forced to take on Bill's blunders or not have enough players to fill a roster. How could a man with all of that time in football be so poor at picking players and coaches? That makes no sense.

The Pats had/have the most cap space in 2024, 2025, and 2026. There were a lot of strong 2024 defensive FAs. The Pats had maximum flexibility to sign whoever they wanted to build the roster and chose to resign their existing players.

Maybe you don't follow the Pats until the summer starts?

 

[jeremy2020]

Mayo's a complete breath of fresh air and I've liked his hiring from the start. Plus, he's a former Pats player and coach. What's not to like?

Losing and Ineptitude, but that's just me.