Are the WRs actually getting open?

[Wozzy]

They don't seem to be utilizing the receivers strengths right now. Polk on the jet sweep or reverse or whatever the hell it was doesn't make sense. Let a guy like Thornton take that and see if he can get around the corner and get a big gain. They also don't seem to be trying to get Douglas the ball through screens or end arounds or even a quick slant if he isn't getting pressed. There just seems to be no innovation in the passing game right now and yes, the offensive line is a problem, but there are ways to get the ball in your playmakers hands and we don't seem to be trying to do that.

They did a better job tonight against the Jets getting Douglas involved. Unfortunately the blocking, which looked bad against average/bad fronts like the Bengals and Seahawks, looked like a flaming dumpster fire against the Jets superior D. They're going to look equally bad or worse against the 49ers or any other great defense.

Despite this ^, we'll still have some geniuses here tomorrow saying the weapons were wide open. That Jacoby had forever to throw and just didn't hit these wide open weapons. PFF said the blocking was great... never mind Maye getting sacked twice in the span of thirty seconds.

Welcome to weird world...

 

[BennyBledsoe]

I think you just have to accept this season is for what it is... learning and evaluation. Essentially an extended training camp/preseason.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Wolf should be fired for that *Offensive " line.
Fkn disgrace.

 

[PP2]

I can't argue this stupidity anymore, it's simply wrong.

The Pats gave up 7 more sacks tonight against the Jests... let me guess, everyone was open but Jacoby wasn't amazing enough to not need blocking.

Relax, no need to get butthurt over your boy. We are discussing one play in one game.

This one play it's unquestionably Brissett who is at fault. He delayed on the fake handoff then made a bad throw, that's all there is to it.

 

[Wozzy]

Relax, no need to get butthurt over your boy. We are discussing one play in one game.

This one play it's unquestionably Brissett who is at fault. He delayed on the fake handoff then made a bad throw, that's all there is to it.

So now Jacoby's "my boy?" Sounds legit...

Are the WRs actually getting open?​

Isn't that ^ what this thread is about? Sure, they're probably are getting open, but our QB is on his azz,

 

[Jim Beankie]

Per NextGenStats, Douglas' separation was 3.92 yds based on 9 targets. That's really f'ing good. He also got up to 19.96mph. Nice (although it was probably to get that 1 yard). Polk (3.1) and Boutte (1.6) only had 2 targets, so not enough data there. As always, imho, these separation stats are partly a QB stat.

Jacoby's longest completed air yd pass was 30.3yds to ARodg's 27.9yds.

 

[PP2]

So now Jacoby's "my boy?" Sounds legit...

Are the WRs actually getting open?​

Isn't that ^ what this thread is about? Sure, they're probably are getting open, but our QB is on his azz,

Yeah that's the subject of this thread and the answer is an overwhelming yes, but you've turned the discourse into "but the QB is on hiz azz."

Sure, it could be argued that he was under a lot of pressure (around 50% of the snaps he took, IIRC) but there were also plenty of plays he left out there. This play is one of them.

 

[PatsFan2]

So now Jacoby's "my boy?" Sounds legit...

Are the WRs actually getting open?​

Isn't that ^ what this thread is about? Sure, they're probably are getting open, but Our Starting QB is azz.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[TommyD4207]

Fixed it for ya.

So was the backup. Twice in 10 dropbacks.

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah that's the subject of this thread and the answer is an overwhelming yes, but you've turned the discourse into "but the QB is on hiz azz."

Sure, it could be argued that he was under a lot of pressure (around 50% of the snaps he took, IIRC) but there were also plenty of plays he left out there. This play is one of them.

Repeating wrong information doesn't make it right.

 

[Wozzy]

Fixed it for ya.

He's average/good, but our QB could be Tom Brady or Mahomes and behind this line they would look terrible.

We know because we've seen both of these ^ all world QB's behind bad lines and they looked terrible.

 

[Ring 6]

I think you just have to accept this season is for what it is... learning and evaluation. Essentially an extended training camp/preseason.

why would a professional team forfeit an entire season of their franchise and their players career to “learn”. What are they learning, how much they suck?

If you are right everyone in charge should be fired.

 

[lancerman]

Wolf should be fired for that *Offensive " line.
Fkn disgrace.

As much as I'm down on Wolf.... Belichick's last few years were him just being "savvy" and not paying quality lineman so they could go someplace else and be productive. Everyone cheered Bill at the time for not paying overpaying, but now we are left with junk and Wolf is cleaning up a mess.

I have other issues with Wolf not being aggressive this off season, but the line is a Bill Belichick problem

 

[lancerman]

why would a professional team forfeit an entire season of their franchise and their players career to “learn”. What are they learning, how much they suck?

If you are right everyone in charge should be fired.

There's a difference between "forfeiting" and knowing where the team is at and taking a long view of things.

This team CANNOT make the playoffs. So now it's about whether you act delusional and approach the season trying to achieve an impossibility or making the most of what you have and setting yourself up for the future.

Most people who had any common sense understood this was a team that was more than a year out from competing even if everything went right.

 

[Ring 6]

There's a difference between "forfeiting" and knowing where the team is at and taking a long view of things.

This team CANNOT make the playoffs. So now it's about whether you act delusional and approach the season trying to achieve an impossibility or making the most of what you have and setting yourself up for the future.

Most people who had any common sense understood this was a team that was more than a year out from competing even if everything went right.

They forfeited by not putting together a capable team

It cannot make the playoffs because they built a terrible roster and are managing it and coaching it poorly.

When the off season started, beyond resigning some their own players to get back to most of what they had last year. They had over $60,000,000 of cap to spend on free agent additions and the 3rd pick in each round of the draft in order to improve the team.

Can you have me a list of all the players they acquired with all of those resources that made positive contributions on Thursday?
The forfeit occurred during roster building.

That aside why would they not be coaching the players they have with the intent of winning a game rather than the goal stated here that games don’t matter we just want to learn.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Another part of the evaluation process is probably also going to be evaluating themselves...that is, Mayo and Wolf need to see if their approach/style works now that they are the top man for the first time ever in their careers. Being in that position is a new experience and requires new skillsets to be developed and old skillsets to be reevaluated.

 

[lancerman]

They forfeited by not putting together a capable team

It cannot make the playoffs because they built a terrible roster and are managing it and coaching it poorly.

When the off season started, beyond resigning some their own players to get back to most of what they had last year. They had over $60,000,000 of cap to spend on free agent additions and the 3rd pick in each round of the draft in order to improve the team.

Can you have me a list of all the players they acquired with all of those resources that made positive contributions on Thursday?
The forfeit occurred during roster building.

That aside why would they not be coaching the players they have with the intent of winning a game rather than the goal stated here that games don’t matter we just want to learn.

Who did you want to come here that we had a realistic shot at that would have been worth the money and would have made this team a legitimately capable team that could make the playoffs. The best WR in the offseason did not want to come here. We drafted a QB so we couldn't get a blue chip WR or OL prospect. Those are the two biggest weaknesses on the team.

You can scream about the money all you want, but at the end of the day there have to be

1. Quality players
2. Players that want to be here.

The reality is, the cap increase severely undermined the cap space we had this off season and alot of the guys people thought would be available ended up being resigned and a rebuilding team has no business taking 1-2 year overpay rentals on 30 year olds who will not be good by the time this team is ready to do anything. And yeah in some cases, when the right players were around like Aiyuk, they just had better options and didn't want to come here.

 

[Ring 6]

Who did you want to come here that we had a realistic shot at that would have been worth the money and would have made this team a legitimately capable team that could make the playoffs. The best WR in the offseason did not want to come here. We drafted a QB so we couldn't get a blue chip WR or OL prospect. Those are the two biggest weaknesses on the team.

You can scream about the money all you want, but at the end of the day there have to be

1. Quality players
2. Players that want to be here.

The reality is, the cap increase severely undermined the cap space we had this off season and alot of the guys people thought would be available ended up being resigned and a rebuilding team has no business taking 1-2 year overpay rentals on 30 year olds who will not be good by the time this team is ready to do anything. And yeah in some cases, when the right players were around like Aiyuk, they just had better options and didn't want to come here.

There were dozens of free agents that would have been better than the players on our roster.
You are implying, after that debacle Thursday that no player available is better than what we trotted out there.
This team has many weaknesses.
Other than 2 WRs who did they even try to get? Other than Ridley they signed pretty much everyone they attempted to. Players didn’t come here because we didn’t make them offers. The ones we did make offers to Brissett, okorafor, leverette, Hawkins, Osborne, hooper, etc were the ones they wanted, went after, signed and suck with.

 

[mgteich]

Who did you want to come here that we had a realistic shot at that would have been worth the money and would have made this team a legitimately capable team that could make the playoffs. The best WR in the offseason did not want to come here. We drafted a QB so we couldn't get a blue chip WR or OL prospect. Those are the two biggest weaknesses on the team.

You can scream about the money all you want, but at the end of the day there have to be

1. Quality players
2. Players that want to be here.

The reality is, the cap increase severely undermined the cap space we had this off season and alot of the guys people thought would be available ended up being resigned and a rebuilding team has no business taking 1-2 year overpay rentals on 30 year olds who will not be good by the time this team is ready to do anything. And yeah in some cases, when the right players were around like Aiyuk, they just had better options and didn't want to come here.

We have made excuses for not signing more free agents last year. Some of us think that there were actually front six players available that were better than Watts. But that's water under the bridge.

We'll see what happens in the coming off-season. We have plenty of cap money yet again, and relatively little being deferred.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

So now it's about whether you act delusional and approach the season trying to achieve an impossibility or making the most of what you have and setting yourself up for the future.

If we are rebuilding we should have identified some young FAs with upside to continue to improve the team. There were a bunch of defensive FAs we could have signed to help our strong defense without spending a lot of FA dollars. We also could have manuvered in the draft to pick up key playmakers. It was rumored that we were outbid while trying to get back into the 1st round - why were we outbid when we could offer pick #3 in R2 and R3? So we are left with Polk, Wallace, Robinson, and Baker - not looking impressive.

What is delusional is expecting to rebuild the team in 1 or 2 years. A good GM sees team building as a continual process. The defense is good, let's make it better. The offense is lacking, let's spend some money. The approach that we chose was that Maye is our QB of the future so we can be all giddy after we picked Maye, and pretend that we did not have to continually rebuild the rest of the team in 2024.

Show me a an aggressive rebuild strategy. Carrying over $50M in cap space to 2025 is not aggressive. Trading down in R2 so we can add Baker is not aggressive. We lost the chance of helping the rebuild in 2024 and there is no way of recovering. Let's hope the front office and ownership change their stripes in 2025 and get aggressive. Anything other approach is delusional.